Lyrical Nanoha gets a moe Loli spin-off

What really bugs me about ViVid is Einhart.

She doesn't make sense as a character. Take every complaint I have about the lack of information regarding Yuuno's family and childhood, and double it for her.

Despite her long royal lineage, all other evidence points to her simply POPping into existence fully formed from the aether, complete with enough money to support herself, pay for a prestigious private school, buy a nice home and extensive set of training equipment, and presumably bribe all government, school and tournament officials into ignoring her utter lack of parental figures or legal guardianship.

Where are her parents? Grandparents, uncles or aunts? Where are the individuals who signed the forms that would allow her to attend that school and competition? Who the hell told her that Vivio existed, let alone that she was the clone of Olivie Segbrecht? Who told her about Ixpellia, whose very existence should be a top federal secret?

At the beginning of the manga, I was absolutely sure that Einhart was being used as a catspaw by some villainous benefactor, much as Jail was using Lutecia. Because only a villainous benefactor would be THAT well-connected and well-informed, and do nothing to stop her from going out in the middle of the night to harass and clobber innocent people.

Not only did the manga fail to deliver on these reasonable expectations, it asked me to swallow that there was ANOTHER Belkan Emperor contemporaneous with Olivie (a senseless multiplicity which would only get worse further on), and somehow his descendants survived to the present day and NO ONE apparently knows about them, despite the fact that they would periodically sport his hair color and memories and ridiculous strength because of magic-science genetic tampering.

My current theory is that Tsuzuki wanted to give Vivio a lesbian lover who had equal royal status and similar genetic-engineering issues (not that these issues seem to bother them at all), and that's basically the only reason why we got Einhart as she is. Oh, and she had to be the Fate figure to Vivio's Nanoha, but Tsuzuki "helpfully" cut out the "delay" of also having to deal with a Presea Testarossa analogue.


Aside from that, I suppose my next major complaint about ViVid is how all of the flashbacks depict Ancient Belka as some kind of idealized hodgepodge of Medieval Western Europe, with stone castles, foot soldiers using simple swords and plate armor, and horses.

This is supposed to be an interdimensional/interstellar empire where magical talent is common, weapons are computerized magical swords or wizard's staves, armor is made from mana and thin as cloth, people fly under their own power or in fricking spaceships when they don't simply teleport, orbital bombardment is a valid tactical option, armies were supplemented with robot drones, and military industrialization of mass-based weaponry was SO BAD that the Belkan homeworld might now be uninhabitable because of global pollution rather than some other empire's planet-cracker super-weapon.
 
Aside from that, I suppose my next major complaint about ViVid is how all of the flashbacks depict Ancient Belka as some kind of idealized hodgepodge of Medieval Western Europe, with stone castles, foot soldiers using simple swords and plate armor, and horses.

This is supposed to be an interdimensional/interstellar empire where magical talent is common, weapons are computerized magical swords or wizard's staves, armor is made from mana and thin as cloth, people fly under their own power or in fricking spaceships when they don't simply teleport, orbital bombardment is a valid tactical option, armies were supplemented with robot drones, and military industrialization of mass-based weaponry was SO BAD that the Belkan homeworld might now be uninhabitable because of global pollution rather than some other empire's planet-cracker super-weapon.

Yeah, that... was weird. And dumb.
 
Aside from that, I suppose my next major complaint about ViVid is how all of the flashbacks depict Ancient Belka as some kind of idealized hodgepodge of Medieval Western Europe, with stone castles, foot soldiers using simple swords and plate armor, and horses.

This is supposed to be an interdimensional/interstellar empire where magical talent is common, weapons are computerized magical swords or wizard's staves, armor is made from mana and thin as cloth, people fly under their own power or in fricking spaceships when they don't simply teleport, orbital bombardment is a valid tactical option, armies were supplemented with robot drones, and military industrialization of mass-based weaponry was SO BAD that the Belkan homeworld might now be uninhabitable because of global pollution rather than some other empire's planet-cracker super-weapon.



To be fair, it plays after the fall of Belka. Maybe Belka(the planet) had the monopoly in the empire to produce High tech stuff (Spaceships, Robots, Cars, etc.) out of the fear that the conquered worlds would rebel and use High Tech.
Once Belka fell (because producing weapons for an entire interdimensional/interstellar empire) they hit rock-bottom.They went for the most part back to there Sword and sorcery roots. If a Magitek Civ loses much of their tech they simply went back to focus on magic. With magic it might be possible to maintain High tech stuff, even if you don´t know how that works.
Combine this feudalism and constant warfare and you get "hodgepodge of Medieval Western Europe".
So basically this is to show how much they have fallen.

Also the flashbacks might be how Vivio and Einhart imagine it. What they remember is what "they"were doing, but not so much details like how exactly a knight look like. After all Vivios DNA might have lost this kind of information because her origin DNA was on a old blanket. Jail probably didn´t give a damn about that part.
So how does she fill in the Blanks?
With (children) movies/books/art of course! with all of their glories historical inaccuracy.

Einhart is in a similar case just with the difference that her DNA memories are kind of "dilute".
(Yes, she may or may not be from Jails lab (the one Fate saved) but here parents might be just old when they were "creating" through natural means. Yes, she may simply don´t have relatives.)
 
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I never noticed Einhart also had multicolored eyes. Was there ever an explanation given for Vivio and her having different colors in their eyes?
 
I never noticed Einhart also had multicolored eyes. Was there ever an explanation given for Vivio and her having different colors in their eyes?

Vivio's a clone of Olivie Sagebrecht, Einhart is the reincarnation of Claus Ingvalt, and both of those people had heterochromia. I don't think the heterochromia has any significance outside of looking cool, though.
 
Also, for someone like Einhart who has no life outside the martial arts and whom ventures out into the night to brawl with martial artists in order to test herself, how the FUCK didn't she already know everything about the Intermiddle Tournament?

It's not a new thing; it's been going since Quint Nakajima and Megane Alpine were kids.

Since Einhart is at least a year older than Vivio (or older than Vivio appears to be, anyway), and Vivio is old enough to enter as of at least this year in the story, Einhart should have been entered into the LAST year's tournament.


Yet more proof that Einhart didn't even EXIST until a year ago in their universe. Just one day, POP, there she is.
 
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Since Einhart is at least a year older than Vivio (or older than Vivio appears to be, anyway), and Vivio is old enough to enter as of at least this year in the story, Einhart should have been entered into the LAST year's tournament.

Before she had meet Nove she was on some kind of a self-discovery trip(mostly brawling with martial artists) in ch4 she did said something like "meaning of my existence is not for the public stage".
Also, she is kind of an Introvert and maybe she just had no friends to support her.
And don´t forget just because you can do something doesn´t mean you will do it.


Yet more proof that Einhart didn't even EXIST until a year ago in their universe. Just one day, POP, there she is.
Why can´t Einhard be just a nobody before the vivid starts?
In real life some of todays nobodys could be tomorrows Superstars.
New famous people are POP in the media every day in and day out.
 
When does Einhart first recovered Klaus' eternal butthurt again?

Would make sense IF she actually recovered it in the span of a year rather than the simple BS of dreaming about Olivie for her entire life.
 
Since Einhart is at least a year older than Vivio (or older than Vivio appears to be, anyway), and Vivio is old enough to enter as of at least this year in the story, Einhart should have been entered into the LAST year's tournament.

Einhart is two years older than Vivio. They outright announce she's 12 to Vivio's 10 during one of the tournament matches. But the clues are in the last Strikers Drama CD. One of the scene of the drama is Nanoha and Vivio visiting the Saint Church school. Sahach who shows the around, talks about the grade structure. Five years primary, three years middle, three years high. Since we are given Vivio's age and grade at the start of Vivid, it's possible to work out Einhart's given that she's middle school first grade.
 
Also, for someone like Einhart who has no life outside the martial arts and whom ventures out into the night to brawl with martial artists in order to test herself, how the FUCK didn't she already know everything about the Intermiddle Tournament?

It's not a new thing; it's been going since Quint Nakajima and Megane Alpine were kids.

Since Einhart is at least a year older than Vivio (or older than Vivio appears to be, anyway), and Vivio is old enough to enter as of at least this year in the story, Einhart should have been entered into the LAST year's tournament.


Yet more proof that Einhart didn't even EXIST until a year ago in their universe. Just one day, POP, there she is.

You yes a Minor creation of Rivals once and everyone complains about the meaningless side issues. It's not like she an Actual, a soulless shell mimicking the motions of life and sapient in a bid and futile quest to become real, slowly drawing others into 'her' story as she parasitically drains and infests them, until all that is left is more of her.

Such a thing would cause serious tone shift as others Karma was devoured, and events to slowing degenerate into nonsense as more and more of the reality around them was consumed and replaced. Even the past would slowly warp in strange and counter-intuitive ways.
 
You yes a Minor creation of Rivals once and everyone complains about the meaningless side issues. It's not like she an Actual, a soulless shell mimicking the motions of life and sapient in a bid and futile quest to become real, slowly drawing others into 'her' story as she parasitically drains and infests them, until all that is left is more of her.

Such a thing would cause serious tone shift as others Karma was devoured, and events to slowing degenerate into nonsense as more and more of the reality around them was consumed and replaced. Even the past would slowly warp in strange and counter-intuitive ways.

Are you talking about Kirito from SAO?:confused:
 
I think he's saying that she's a mesophage. The term was coined in the IWIWSAO thread and kind of stuck. It isn't really limited to Kirito, either.
Kayaba is also noted to be one.
 
If that's the case, then do explain how and why she is a mesophase.
 
She's definitely something meta-narratively terrible (at least in regards to her background), but she's not a Mesophage.

At most, she's a deuteragonist - one of two major protagonists in a story. Someone who is as equally important to the story as Vivio.
 
But could you explain it in terms we can all understand?

It's a Nobilis reference - it's not hard to figure out as I mentioned a Lesser Creation, and Nobilis gets bantered about enough on vs. in this forum that it's not obscure. It has nothing to do with the mesophage meme, which was frankly wasn't funny in the first place, and has since been used enough that an actually funny joke would be wearing out it's welcome.
 
It's a Nobilis reference - it's not hard to figure out as I mentioned a Lesser Creation, and Nobilis gets bantered about enough on vs. in this forum that it's not obscure. It has nothing to do with the mesophage meme, which was frankly wasn't funny in the first place, and has since been used enough that an actually funny joke would be wearing out it's welcome.

I still don't get it. Can you please try to explain it without using RPG terminology?
 
I still don't get it. Can you please try to explain it without using RPG terminology?

Actuals are faux-sapient abominations that infect and eat reality and replace it with themselves. This often looks like an unexpected genre shift, but in actuality is the Actual warping the world and eating people and and spitting out more of themselves that looks like the person eaten.
 
Actuals are faux-sapient abominations that infect and eat reality and replace it with themselves. This often looks like an unexpected genre shift, but in actuality is the Actual warping the world and eating people and and spitting out more of themselves that looks like the person eaten.

Okay, I get it now.
 
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