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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Darkcore41 said:
1. He is the only one who know the All father is injured.
2. He is one of the few enemies of Asgard that uses machines.
3. He is attacking the dwarves.
4.He warned retaliation last turn.
5. If he is personally leading the dwarves attack then this is a chance to attack Titan without him protecting it.
6. He is one of the few civs that out tech is and can get past our electronic defenses.
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See this, down below.... Fishes are swimming in this area. It is so fishy.
KnowledgeKing said:
Amora and Lorelei do good work. On top of the Nova Corps. and the scrying pool, they manage to bolster Asgard's security, especially on the palace, with enchantments to keep out their enemies. Of course a powerful enough sorcerer could get through, but Amora assures Loki that there are few as powerful as her.
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Again there are only a handful of people who can infiltrate the vault, and hold the Eternal Flame without getting burnt to crisps.
And Dwarves' attack is believed by Loki to be Thanos. We have no confirmation for now.

Red Bovine said:
Again prettysure that the Bifrost only works for the Nine Realms. Besides that Surtur being at full power is still horrendously bad and even worse than Hela since he actively wants to destroy Asgard. Also we aren't sure if Thanos was behind the assassination or if it wasn't someone else using it as an opportunity. If we must retaliate rather we at least be sure.

Also we might want to examine the vault for evidence to see if we can find out how it was broken into and find clues to see if we can find out who was involved and to close up a security hole. Might also want to keep an eye on Surtur's domain until we can figure out what's going on with the flames and/or get it back.
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The Surtur plan was just dry humour, nothing to be taken seriously.
Yes, as I mentioned in the post, we don't know if this is Thanos for certain. Also, the quote, above your quote is an area full of fishes.



Besides thoughts on the abilities of the gauntlet?
Edit: Another thing about the daggers, they will teleport you anywhere one of the daggers is... so Loki can be at two planets at the same time.
 
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Darkcore41 said:
1. He is the only one who know the All father is injured.
2. He is one of the few enemies of Asgard that uses machines.
3. He is attacking the dwarves.
4.He warned retaliation last turn.
5. If he is personally leading the dwarves attack then this is a chance to attack Titan without him protecting it.
6. He is one of the few civs that out tech is and can get past our electronic defenses.
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Again with the assumptions being treated as facts.

1) Odin has been out of commision for a long while and it would be odd if at least a number of people didn't correctly assume that Odin was seriously injured considering that he has been out of the public eye for literally years.

2) As Sana22 mentioned trying to carry the flames would burn anyone to a crisp and we have no reason to believe that it wouldn't apply to robots or if Thanos was even aware of that.

3) We aren't sure Thanos is, Loki is just assuming and Loki could be wrong here. It could be another of Asgards enemies wanting to weaken us.

4) And that could mean a number of things. He may or may not be involved in these attacks but just because he could be doesn't mean that he was.

5) And he may not be leading this attack.

6) Thing is that there are other civs that are as advanced.

The problem is that truth is that a number of people may want to do damage to Asgard for a number of reasons besides Thanos. Attacking Titan without 'due' cause AKA evidence would look really bad. It would also be pretty embarrassing if it turns out Thanos wasn't actually involved in the stuff people are accusing him of. Because again, other enemies beside him with two of them being part of the Nine Realms and another, the Dark Elves, being somewhere we aren't sure of.
 
Okay, time too prioritize next turns goals. First we need to finish and improve the Serum, then we can use it too heal Odin and anyone else injured. Then we need to start working on expanding Phoenix Financial, which we can use to spread our influence against Titan like we did last turn. We need to properly fortify Asgard next turn, make sure that the City is next to impenetrable. We also need to establish peace with the Frost Giants and Fire Demons, make it so that Surtur won't attempt to kill us all. We should try to gain a peace summit now that Thor is slightly more willing to listen to us. We should also try and improve our own powers, maybe finish mastering our Magic. And then we need to figure out a way to prevent Thanos from ever being able to hurt us again, possible by having the people of Titan reject him.
 
Sanas22 said:
See this, down below.... Fishes are swimming in this area. It is so fishy.

Again there are only a handful of people who can infiltrate the vault, and hold the Eternal Flame without getting burnt to crisps.
And Dwarves' attack is believed by Loki to be Thanos. We have no confirmation for now.


The Surtur plan was just dry humour, nothing to be taken seriously.
Yes, as I mentioned in the post, we don't know if this is Thanos for certain. Also, the quote, above your quote is an area full of fishes.



Besides thoughts on the abilities of the gauntlet?
Edit: Another thing about the daggers, they will teleport you anywhere one of the daggers is... so Loki can be at two planets at the same time.
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The magic defense s were not put up yet when the attempt was made.
@Red Bovine robots cannot use magic and most of Asgards enemies don't use robots except for Thanos. Even if Thanos isn't leading this force a strike to cripple him is needed. He is building up and I rather not race with him.
 
Darkcore41 said:
The magic defense s were not put up yet when the attempt was made.
@Red Bovine robots cannot use magic and most of Asgards enemies don't use robots except for Thanos. Even if Thanos isn't leading this force a strike to cripple him is needed. He is building up and I rather not race with him.
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Forget magic, I am talking about tech alone.
The door takes 5 Asgardians to open. And this motherf**ker opened it without making a noise and alerting the guards.
 
Kufufu said:
We are going to have to whether you like it or not, we are in the race and if we lose we lose everything.
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What I mean by that is by attacking him right now we can cripple his infastructure without Asgard losing much. They are deniable and risk nothing but even if we fail we get info on Titan defenses and tech development. If we succeed then we cripple him and potentially steal back our stuff or steal his stuff.
 
Cool. I say we go chitauri and begun anti-emp tech.

Then we get outriders cause damn if they weren't good infantry

Also if this is Thanos gets one more strike, one more chance before I suggest bifrosting titan.
 
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Sanas22 said:
Forget magic, I am talking about tech alone.
The door takes 5 Asgardians to open. And this motherf**ker opened it without making a noise and alerting the guards.
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Forget about the destroyer guarding the place, heavy magical defenses or the new turrets, that door is so damn heavy Thanos would sooner lift Mjolnir then open that door unassisted.
 
Sanas22 said:
@Red Bovine @Darkcore41 So I was writing an omake, where Loki has a gauntlet called Járngreipr. Its ability is to increases strength of the user with each landed strike but it resets after the 5th strike. The user can also choose to withhold the power behind the first four strikes to gain one super strike. How about this ability?
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Honestly prefer that we just have the gauntletts increase binding/sealing to make us better at what we are already good it. Especially since it synergizes with our main fighting style far better.
Darkcore41 said:
Even if it isn't Thanos that attacked (very unlikely) he is still a hostile. If this is him attacking the right now he left his planet vulnerable. When you attack you weaken yourself to a counter.

Also if the eternal flame goes to Surtur we just use the formula on Odin to have him go back to his prime. We cannot let Thanos study two different mind control artifacts.
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Have you considered that maybe sending pirates to attack a planet after we allied ourselves with the Nova Corps AKA the intergalactic police force may not be the best idea and that we have other options? And again, we aren't sure if Thanos was behind it and should really gather more information there.

Besides that we aren't sure how long it would take for the formula to bring Odin back on his feet and it's been noted that he would have been weaker even without the attack by Thanos last turn had he woken up. He may end up even weaker than he would have been and so may not be enough to deal with Surtur. This is what I'm talking about in that you don't seem to consider other angles when making your assumptions.
 
Can we not use the ravagers against Titans convoys. After all they would have to waste resources dealing with them, buying us time to continue ramping up.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Have you considered that maybe sending pirates to attack a planet after we allied ourselves with the Nova Corps AKA the intergalactic police force may not be the best idea and that we have other options? And again, we aren't sure if Thanos was behind it and should really gather more information there.

Besides that we aren't sure how long it would take for the formula to bring Odin back on his feet and it's been noted that he would have been weaker even without the attack by Thanos last turn had he woken up. He may end up even weaker than he would have been and so may not be enough to deal with Surtur. This is what I'm talking about in that you don't seem to consider other angles when making your assumptions.
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Yea, using pirates to attack anyone after being allied with Nova Corp is a bad idea. I was thinking about sending them to PF Bases in the Nine Realms as a backup (maybe we can force the Sorcerer Supreme to come out of the woods.)

About this... Do you reckon Odin would ban the serum after he sees the results of it? Coz my guts are saying so... and they kinda haven't proven me wrong until now (in the quest).
And an assumption here, the serum works better on those who are more injured (aka those who have more area to heal).
 
Sanas22 said:
About this... Do you reckon Odin would ban the serum after he sees the results of it? Coz my guts are saying so... and they kinda haven't proven me wrong until now (in the quest).
And an assumption here, the serum works better on those who are more injured (aka those who have more area to heal).
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I don't thinkhe would ban it per say, but rather prohibit it's usage against just anyone, maybe saving it for hospital patients.
 
I'm thinking that we may be forced to use the serum on Odin as is. Even if it's not at full capability don't think we can afford to wait.
 
Sanas22 said:
About this... Do you reckon Odin would ban the serum after he sees the results of it? Coz my guts are saying so... and they kinda haven't proven me wrong until now (in the quest).
And an assumption here, the serum works better on those who are more injured (aka those who have more area to heal).
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Yup. He has it locked up for a reason
 
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