Lands of Sand and Magi (First Crusade Fantasy CK2 Quest)
- Thread starter kızıl sultan
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Illinois
I will admit, I almost switched over, but thought it was worth the risk. Was hoping for a more delayed reaction, so we could manage it.
- Location
- France
Well even if manipulated you won't try to kill someone if you just dislike them, but haaaa... What is done is done....
- Location
- Illinois
I was honestly hoping to make it to Cologne before something like this happened since it would give us time to get the loyalty of the clergy and other key Christians. We'd have to deal with the disputes anyway, but they couldn't pull any religious reasons to attack them, and we could either intimidate them into standing down or diplomance them.
Them just up and attacking right away... I probably should have worked more on the reasoning behind why we were taking them.
Chapter 3.0
- Location
- New York
Chapter 3: Cologne at last, Cologne at last (Thank God Almighty, We've Reached Cologne at Last)
[X] Tell him yes, and that he can bring his flock. The heavens only know the repercussions of this action. But perhaps they will find a better life in the Holy Land...
-[X] For those who object, point out that this is a way for the Jews to redeem themselves for their past sins. To help destroy those who hold the Holy Lands is a noble task, and it cost nothing for them to join.
[X] Give half the funds to the church, to aid in repairing it. Give the other half to Gaucher, as he was the one who found it, and yet was willing to give it up.
-[X] Ask him to use the funds for the Crusade, and not to waste it on idle amusements. Whether it is helping arm others with weapons, or feeding those in hard times.
[X] Sell the sword in its entirety in Koln to buy clothing and food for your fellow pilgrims
-[X] For those who object, point out that this is a way for the Jews to redeem themselves for their past sins. To help destroy those who hold the Holy Lands is a noble task, and it cost nothing for them to join.
[X] Give half the funds to the church, to aid in repairing it. Give the other half to Gaucher, as he was the one who found it, and yet was willing to give it up.
-[X] Ask him to use the funds for the Crusade, and not to waste it on idle amusements. Whether it is helping arm others with weapons, or feeding those in hard times.
[X] Sell the sword in its entirety in Koln to buy clothing and food for your fellow pilgrims
Abraham joins your entourage, and you tell him to set about organizing who in his flock will want to join you. No time is wasted, and he sets off to take to his duties while you handle the other issues before setting off.
Abraham of Worms joins your Entourage.
You next answer Gaucher, who presents to you a purse of coin and Emich's elegant sword. You take the sword, telling him what you wish to do with it, and he acknowledges it. He notes that the sword must have been difficult to maintain a useful grip with such fancy stones in the hilt anyways. As for the coinpurse, he is happy that you wish to split it with him, but is miffed when you suggest to him how to spend his share. He leaves, clearly upset with you, to do what you can only assume is waste the gold.
[Piety Check: Success]
On your way back to the Cathedral, to give the gold to the Bishop, you see that Gaucher is already there, talking to a small man in monks robes, whom you can only assume to be the Bishop's steward. As you approach, you join their conversation.
"The Bishop has relayed to be that any items you have gained from the one "deceased scoundrel who nayeth deserve his place among the nobility not among the martyrs in the Kingdom of Heaven", shall be put towards the funds of outfitting your Pilgrims. Your generosity is noted, but the Cathedral has enough in its coffers for the repairs and aid. Thank you." The man finished, pushing up his bifocals for the last time before turning about and closing the doors of the cathedral behind him.
"Well. I didn't expect that.", Gaucher said as he dropped his share of the coins in your hand, and moved on to the rest of the group as they prepared to leave.
+3 Piety to both you and Gaucher
Gained 100 fl and Emich's sword worth approximately 250 fl
Abraham approaches you from among the crowd. You can tell he's finished his task. "Good man, I never got your name."
"Anselme. De Gaillac." You respond.
"Anselme. It's a good name. As for my flock, with the stipulations you've offered, not many wish to confess their sins, as they don't believe that they've actually committed any. However, there are a significant number of them who are willing to forego the notions of perception and go along with this play in order to join you.
250 "Repentant Jews" join your group. Abraham is pretty crafty already. (You take a hit to the number, but maintain a thin visage of guile surrounding the legitimacy of Jews traveling with you." I did a roll for this, for shits and kicks, and you got a 79, so this is what I came up with)
[Diplomacy Check: 7 + (6+5)/2 = 12. Failure]
The Pilgrims from Worms don't buy it. It's one thing to spare the Jews, but its another to bring them along. Half of their number have no desire to travel with you. They leave for Cologne ahead of you, on their own.
75 Pilgrims from Worms leave your group.
Arriving at the Cologne was a relief. This was only the first leg of your journey, and already so much had happened. The massive Cathedral was the first thing that came into you view as you approached it, and it was so imposing and majestic that the sight of it announced the presence of the city itself. At only a kilometer out of the city limits, camps of pilgrims could be found. To an outsider or foreigner, it would look like war camps, as if the city was about to be besieged, but in fact these were the armies that belonged to Cologne, in a sense.
[Crisis at Worms Check: Success, Resolved]A small boy approached the group, running down the main road. He passed a scrap of paper to the leader of the guards, who then read it over quickly. The guard then looked up to Brother Thomas, asked him a question, and then they all turned to you.
"Anselme, you need to go with these Guards.", Thomas said with a dour look upon his face. You were worried. Why were you being separated from the group? What was going to happen to you? Brother Jacob put his hand on your shoulder and smiled gently. This alone was a relief, but what he said next turned your worry and paranoia into anxiousness."The Prince-Archbishop has called for your presence specifically at his court. They heard about what happened at Worms." Jacob confessed. You were relieved, but now you've come to the realization that one of the most powerful men in the Saint Empire has personally requested your presence. Yet another surprise on this journey and you've only just arrived.
The Cathedral of Cologne, seen from miles away
The interior of the Cathedral was essentially a marble and gold palace
Al the way to the top you went, to one of the highest towers of the massive church, and inside was a palace inside of a palace. Lush furniture, a fountain, and food as far as the eye good see. There were only but two men in the room. One was a man who appeared to be the Prince-Archbishop. Clothed in pure white robes, lined with gold. Made of the finest material you've ever seen. His stave was tall and made entirely of gold, with a small, glowing crystal at its head.Next to him stood an old man, balding at the top but hair around the side, and a long beard. He had a smile on his face, and was dressed almost as badly as you were, except it were robes that were in tatters for him. You knew who these men were. Athanasius, the Prince-Archbishop of Cologne, and Peter the Hermit. You were in the presence of power.
"Come child, let us look upon the Savior of Worms." Peter said as he extended his arms out to you. It was almost as if he wanted to hug you. As you approached slowly, unsure of what to do, you realized that Peter was at least six feet tall, maybe even more. And when you got close enough, you realized he did want to hug you, and that is exactly what he did. You could feel the warmth of his spirit as his arms gently wrapped around your shoulders. As he broke off, his hands rested on your shoulders and he examined you. The Prince-Archbishop trudged over, prodding you with the bottom end of his staff.
"He's just a peasant.", Athanasius murmured.
[Trait Check: Blessed by God]
"Ah, but he is blessed.", Peter illuminated. He placed his thumb on your forehead and closed one eye, apparently examining you even further. This was all strange, but you were in the presence of a Saint, and you were merely a sheep in the flock compared to him.
"My boy, I have heard of your coming." Peter explained, gently.
"And I've seen you." Athanasius added, tapping the orb on his staff with one eye crooked up.
"You are Blessed by God, one of the very few. Even we know not what this means, but it does mean that you will play a role in the up coming events. You are important to the crusade, but you must know that this changes nothing. You are one of the many, of the flock of the lord, and must prove your faith to him."
[Piety Check: Success]
"And has he not done so already." Athanasius added, as poked your arm with the orb of his staff, the crystal ball reacting intensely as a bright light emanated from it, and exasperating as quickly as it emerged."
"Yes, this boy has the fervor in him, that is true enough, but the tests of our Lord never end. Perhaps with the right training..." Peter pondered aloud.
"There's no time for training. We have a war to fight." Athanasius conjectured.
"Allow me to explain everything to you." Peter replied, shooing the Prince away with one hand, and guiding you to one end of the massive room with the other.
"And get it over with. These pilgrims are a logistical nightmare. I want my view back." The archbishop cankered.
"Listen clearly now, Anselme. There is little time to waste any more. You are important to this crusade, your efforts at Worms have shown that. When you return to your group, you will return as a pilgrim with authority. Think of the Crusade as a flock. Wings give the Crusade flight, and each man is a feather. You will officially help lead one of these wings. I will give you a scroll with this information, as well as my proclamation that you are invested. You will lead your wing as a part of the greater crusade, as we have need for delegation of responsibility to control this large of a host. There are almost thirty thousand men here, all ready to march, and we do so in one week. You will have that time to prepare your men in whatever fashion you may. The resources of Cologne have almost been exhausted, so I am afraid there is nothing I can offer you and your soldiers in this vein, however, I do have something special for you." He finished. It was as that point that he turned, and you followed in suit to come upon the personage of The Armored Man.
Gained Trait: Invested: You have official authority over the Pilgrims within your assigned Wing.
"This is Vindicator Gunther." Peter continued. "He was brought up from the front in Hispania to fight in the crusade, and he will be attached to your group of soldiers. He will now protect you and the Brothers of the Order of Saint John in battle. However, you must note that he may have specific orders at times, and will completely disregard your own to follow those which come from higher above."
"Higher above?" You replied, repeating it as a question for clarity.
Peter disregarded and continued anyway. "Before you go, take this." Peter said, reaching into a fold in his robe to pull out a small pebble.
"This is a special piece of earth. Its usefulness will come when it is required." He finished, placing the rock in your hands. It was smooth, but craggy. A paradoxical thing. But Peter quickly pushed you up and urged you towards Gunther. "We will speak again soon, I promise, but for now prepare your men."
"Boy." The Archbishop interjected, coming over to you from his position by the window, which he was staring out of at the gathered pilgrims like a grumpy, ornery bully.
"I wish to give you my blessing. While your actions at Worms were just, pious, and noble, I have to say we could have done without 800 more Jews in the Rhineland. Alas, it is the will of God, one that we all must adhere to. Kneel." He whimsed. You followed, and he placed his hand on your head, whispering something in Latin again. You really wish you knew what he was saying, but at this point it didn't matter.
"Det vobis os et sapientiam et voluntatem suam portent.", Athanasius murmured. He kicked your foot to get you to stand up and leave. "That should give you some sense, boy." He finished, trudging off towards Peter to more important matters.
You felt something come over your head. It was like you knew more, but it wasn't new knowledge, but it wasn't always there.
Gained trait: Blessing of Athanasius: +4 to Learning (You can now understand German, and may attempt to learn to read. If you find someone to teach you.)
You arrived back to your group, or Wing as the regiments are officially referred to. Immediately the Brothers came to you to ask what had occurred. You gave them the scroll Peter gave you, which they peered over while you told them of your experience. Thomas and Jacob were proud, and Friedrich was, as usual, unphased. You are now one of the de-facto leaders of your Wing, and hold influence within the small council of leadership between yourself and the other three Brothers of the Order of St. John. Luckily, Jacob, Thomas, and yourself all seem to think alike.
They take you to a tent, with a small table on it, with scrolls and what meager supplies they have gathered. These men, they are not merchants, traders, warriors. They're monks more or less. All of them, even Friedrich, look to you to give the group direction. No doubt you will be the only to make the plans, while they will simply voice their support or dissension and offer alternatives. This scene will be a familiar one, and will essentially be the war tent of your camp every time one is made on the Crusade.
You have one week in Cologne, and five advisors. Make every decision count.
The War Tent: One Week to departure from Cologne
(You can take five actions, because you have five advisors. Certain actions are only available to specific advisors due to their talents.)
Intrigue: (Gaucher-only Actions)
[ ] Steal from camps of the other Wings. You are in dire need of supplies and weapons, and may have to resort to desperate measures.
[ ] Steal from the rich of Cologne. The Company of Generous Fellows can get back to work while you are in Cologne, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. The Poor here being the Pilgrims.
[ ] Recruit from the criminal underworld for your Wing. Gaucher and the Fellows can go into the underworld of Cologne and see if they can bring others over to your side.
High Stewardship: (Abraham-only Actions)
[ ] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
[ ] Borrow from Jewish Moneylenders. Abraham can take out a loan for you, with his own family being utilized as the co-signers and ones responsible for repaying it. There may be consequences.
[ ] Try to recruit more "Repentant Jews" to join your Wing. Abraham can try to sell his already somewhat successful plan to members of the Jewish community of Cologne.
Holy Actions: (Hospitalier Order-only Actions)
[ ] Ask one of the Brothers to sponsor your request to join the Order of Saint John (Knights Hospitalier). Your high Piety and relationship with 2/3 of the Brothers allows this. Many benefits from joining the Order will be received.
[ ] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
[ ] Pray. Pray.
Personal Actions: (PC-only Actions)
[ ] Try to recruit Pilgrims on your own. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
[ ] Talk to the members of your Entourage. You will learn more about them and develop your relationship with them. You may or may not gain from this.
[ ] Try to talk to Vindicator Gunther. You have no idea what this guy's deal is. Maybe it's time to find out.
[ ] Talk to the leader of another Wing. If you're going to be fighting with 40,000 other men, and you have a position of authority within this host, you may as well try to get to know some of the other commanders. There are two Wings encamped closest to you. One to the North on a hill, and one to the East along the main road.
[ ] Find someone to teach you how to read. There are already some people in your Entourage who can do this. If you pick one of your advisors, the both of you will be locked out of taking actions for two camps worth of time. Its up to you to determine how much you need this. You will gain Learning from this process.
General Actions: (Can be taken by Anyone)
[ ] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
[ ] Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
[ ] Beg for alms. ???
[ ] Write-in. You may write something in, and for the benefit of the doubt, they will all be considered General Actions unless they are obviously stipulated to be performed by someone with a specific skill set.
I suggest that you guys make joint Plans, to make the voting and tallying easier for everyone. And for me.
Anselme de Gaillac
Age: 20
Diplomacy: 6 (You're getting better at talking your way out of problems, but you're no silver-tongued devil yet.)
Martial: 3 (You can defend yourself. No one ever said you were any good at it, though.)
Stewardship: 3 (You don't do well with money. It's why you're poor.)
Intrigue: 10 (Living the life of a pauper, you have become very crafty, and thus know how to get yourself into and out of trouble very well, much to your own benefit.)
Learning: 1 (You are Illiterate.)
Piety: 31 [You rolled a critical success here, and that will be noted] (You are one of the most pious of the Pilgrims. Surely this will be noticed by those higher up the echelon.)
Money: 350 fl
Traits:
Blessed by God: ???.
Pious: Your piety and strength of faith is noticed by others who share the same inclination, +5 Relations to Same Trait.
Blessing of the Bishop of Worms: +5 to Diplomacy on Speech Rolls if you beat your opponent on a Piety Roll
Blessing of Athanasius: +4 to Learning (You can now understand German, and may attempt to learn to read. If you find someone to teach you.)
Invested: You have official authority over the Pilgrims within your assigned Wing.
Items and Statuses:
Peter's Stone: ???
Entourage:
Age: 20
Diplomacy: 6 (You're getting better at talking your way out of problems, but you're no silver-tongued devil yet.)
Martial: 3 (You can defend yourself. No one ever said you were any good at it, though.)
Stewardship: 3 (You don't do well with money. It's why you're poor.)
Intrigue: 10 (Living the life of a pauper, you have become very crafty, and thus know how to get yourself into and out of trouble very well, much to your own benefit.)
Learning: 1 (You are Illiterate.)
Piety: 31 [You rolled a critical success here, and that will be noted] (You are one of the most pious of the Pilgrims. Surely this will be noticed by those higher up the echelon.)
Money: 350 fl
Traits:
Blessed by God: ???.
Pious: Your piety and strength of faith is noticed by others who share the same inclination, +5 Relations to Same Trait.
Blessing of the Bishop of Worms: +5 to Diplomacy on Speech Rolls if you beat your opponent on a Piety Roll
Blessing of Athanasius: +4 to Learning (You can now understand German, and may attempt to learn to read. If you find someone to teach you.)
Invested: You have official authority over the Pilgrims within your assigned Wing.
Items and Statuses:
Peter's Stone: ???
Entourage:
Gaucer de Gaillac
Age: 21
Diplomacy: 6
Martial: 4
Stewardship: 1
Intrigue: 7
Learning: 1
Piety: 8
Age: 21
Diplomacy: 6
Martial: 4
Stewardship: 1
Intrigue: 7
Learning: 1
Piety: 8
Abraham of Worms
Age: 45
Diplomacy: 7
Martial: 1
Stewardship: 10
Intrigue: 2
Learning: 7
Piety: 10
Age: 45
Diplomacy: 7
Martial: 1
Stewardship: 10
Intrigue: 2
Learning: 7
Piety: 10
Status of the all the Pilgrims in the Crusade:
40,000 Strong.
Morale is High.
Status of your Wing:
195 Pilgrims
250 "Repentant Jews"
Morale is Moderate.
Relationship with Brother Jacob (Order of St. John): 7/10
Relationship with Brother Thomas (Order of St. John): 7/10
Relationship with Vindicator Gunther: 1/10
40,000 Strong.
Morale is High.
Status of your Wing:
195 Pilgrims
250 "Repentant Jews"
Morale is Moderate.
Relationship with Brother Jacob (Order of St. John): 7/10
Relationship with Brother Thomas (Order of St. John): 7/10
Relationship with Vindicator Gunther: 1/10
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- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
That went better than I thought it would
- Location
- Illinois
Ok, that actually wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I'd assumed that there'd be actual fighting, but it looks like we traded 75 Christain pilgrims for 250 Jewish. That seems a net plus and the fact that they were the ones willing to play along with the idea that they were going to redeem their 'sins' probably means they're better suited for what we need to do anyways.
I also have to admit I grow more and more impressed with the Christain magic as we go on. The glow around the cathedral, is that a permanent miracle on it or something?
Edit: Planning
[ ] Steal from the rich of Cologne. The Company of Generous Fellows can get back to work while you are in Cologne, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. The Poor here being the Pilgrims.
[ ] Recruit from the criminal underworld for your Wing. Gaucher and the Fellows can go into the underworld of Cologne and see if they can bring others over to your side.
For Gaucher, I would choose between these two. Stealing from another wing could cause many problems. I am hesitant to steal from the rich, since they have a fair amount of power, and could easily cause us harm.
[ ] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
This seems like it could be very useful, though I am tempted to go all out and choose...
[ ] Try to recruit more "Repentant Jews" to join your Wing. Abraham can try to sell his already somewhat successful plan to members of the Jewish community of Cologne.
This. While I would like to, I think we should wait until we get more Christians to balance it out. Otherwise we'd get stuck leading the most hated wing in the army probably.
[ ] Ask one of the Brothers to sponsor your request to join the Order of Saint John (Knights Hospitalier). Your high Piety and relationship with 2/3 of the Brothers allows this. Many benefits from joining the Order will be received.
[ ] Pray. Pray.
One of these two I think. I'd say probably go with the knights, but I have a feeling prayer could be far more useful than anything else.
For personal... I don't know. They all have their ups and downs.
I also have to admit I grow more and more impressed with the Christain magic as we go on. The glow around the cathedral, is that a permanent miracle on it or something?
Edit: Planning
[ ] Steal from the rich of Cologne. The Company of Generous Fellows can get back to work while you are in Cologne, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. The Poor here being the Pilgrims.
[ ] Recruit from the criminal underworld for your Wing. Gaucher and the Fellows can go into the underworld of Cologne and see if they can bring others over to your side.
For Gaucher, I would choose between these two. Stealing from another wing could cause many problems. I am hesitant to steal from the rich, since they have a fair amount of power, and could easily cause us harm.
[ ] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
This seems like it could be very useful, though I am tempted to go all out and choose...
[ ] Try to recruit more "Repentant Jews" to join your Wing. Abraham can try to sell his already somewhat successful plan to members of the Jewish community of Cologne.
This. While I would like to, I think we should wait until we get more Christians to balance it out. Otherwise we'd get stuck leading the most hated wing in the army probably.
[ ] Ask one of the Brothers to sponsor your request to join the Order of Saint John (Knights Hospitalier). Your high Piety and relationship with 2/3 of the Brothers allows this. Many benefits from joining the Order will be received.
[ ] Pray. Pray.
One of these two I think. I'd say probably go with the knights, but I have a feeling prayer could be far more useful than anything else.
For personal... I don't know. They all have their ups and downs.
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Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Out of curiosity, are we allowed to take multiple PC-only actions?
- Location
- New York
No, because I wanted to limit it to one action per person, and those were actions only you could do. I am, however, tempted to move some of those to a "General Camp Stuff" action group, which you can do two of ever time you set up camp, but for now you don't have enough time (which is my excuse for not actually being able to come up with enough camp-only actions).
- Location
- Illinois
[] Plan Preparation
[] Recruit from the criminal underworld for your Wing. Gaucher and the Fellows can go into the underworld of Cologne and see if they can bring others over to your side.
-[] While the arms of the righteous are necessary to defeat our foes, we must also take into account that the enemies of God will seek to strike us from the shadow. Who better to defeat these foes than those who know the shadows as well?
[] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
-[] Ask Abraham to look into how we will supply our wing on the way to the Holy Lands. Service to God may be able to satisfy our spiritual needs, but our earthly hunger still must be satiated. Abraham and his contacts are more likely to know how to help us than we are.
[] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
[] Try to recruit Pilgrims on your own. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
-[] Look for those who don't mind working with Jews too much. It may drastically cut down on who is willing to join, but it will increase the quality of our wing.
--[] God calls for his faithful to march upon the Holy Lands, and return them to their rightful rulers. Even the Jewish hear the call of God, and come to aid us in what ways they can.
[] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
-[] 40% to food.
-[] 30% to traveling shoes to equip our men.
Not sure what is totally necessary for the march, and not sure how much each of these percentages will buy, so the last part is subject to change.
[] Recruit from the criminal underworld for your Wing. Gaucher and the Fellows can go into the underworld of Cologne and see if they can bring others over to your side.
-[] While the arms of the righteous are necessary to defeat our foes, we must also take into account that the enemies of God will seek to strike us from the shadow. Who better to defeat these foes than those who know the shadows as well?
[] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
-[] Ask Abraham to look into how we will supply our wing on the way to the Holy Lands. Service to God may be able to satisfy our spiritual needs, but our earthly hunger still must be satiated. Abraham and his contacts are more likely to know how to help us than we are.
[] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
[] Try to recruit Pilgrims on your own. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
-[] Look for those who don't mind working with Jews too much. It may drastically cut down on who is willing to join, but it will increase the quality of our wing.
--[] God calls for his faithful to march upon the Holy Lands, and return them to their rightful rulers. Even the Jewish hear the call of God, and come to aid us in what ways they can.
[] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
-[] 40% to food.
-[] 30% to traveling shoes to equip our men.
Not sure what is totally necessary for the march, and not sure how much each of these percentages will buy, so the last part is subject to change.
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Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
High Stewardship: (Abraham-only Actions)
[X] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
Holy Actions: (Hospitalier Order-only Actions)
[X] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
Personal Actions: (PC-only Actions)
[X] Find someone to teach you how to read. There are already some people in your Entourage who can do this. If you pick one of your advisors, the both of you will be locked out of taking actions for two camps worth of time. Its up to you to determine how much you need this. You will gain Learning from this process.
General Actions: (Can be taken by Anyone)
[X] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
-[X] 30% food
-[X] 30% arms and armor
[X] Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
We don't necessarily want more scoundrels so soon, and pissing off everyone else with thievery is a no-go in friendly territory.
We don't need more Jews, we've got people upset already on that front. We don't need a loan, that's gonna tank opinions. We do want to use those family connections
We don't particularly need extra piety yet, and we aren't learned enough stat-wise or world-wise to join the first order we see.
Reading is important. Reading is the sole point of access to an entire stat line. We need it.
Market and recruiting is fine to fill out the rest.
Best not buy too much food at once, spoilage is a thing. Actually, yo @kızıl sultan, how long will 70fl of food last our little party?
K, 105fl of food is best, then.
[X] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
Holy Actions: (Hospitalier Order-only Actions)
[X] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
Personal Actions: (PC-only Actions)
[X] Find someone to teach you how to read. There are already some people in your Entourage who can do this. If you pick one of your advisors, the both of you will be locked out of taking actions for two camps worth of time. Its up to you to determine how much you need this. You will gain Learning from this process.
General Actions: (Can be taken by Anyone)
[X] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
-[X] 30% food
-[X] 30% arms and armor
[X] Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
We don't necessarily want more scoundrels so soon, and pissing off everyone else with thievery is a no-go in friendly territory.
We don't need more Jews, we've got people upset already on that front. We don't need a loan, that's gonna tank opinions. We do want to use those family connections
We don't particularly need extra piety yet, and we aren't learned enough stat-wise or world-wise to join the first order we see.
Reading is important. Reading is the sole point of access to an entire stat line. We need it.
Market and recruiting is fine to fill out the rest.
K, 105fl of food is best, then.
This was already done.
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- Location
- Illinois
Wasn't quite sure, since while we do give the sword to Gaucher to sell, and it gives us a price, it never directly says it.
I agree with most of your points, except maybe the scoundrels. Getting them now so we can use them later would be good, especially since I imagine it would be harder for Gaucher to recruit scoundrels the father we get from home.
Reading is incredibly useful, but I don't think it's nearly as useful for non-learning based builds. The bible is still in latin, so we can't read that, so it doesn't help us there. I guess it would help army cohesion later on since the leaders would be able to rely on sending us messages, but since the majority of the crusaders are illiterate, it can't be fully relied on. it could help us learn about the enemy, but books are still pretty expensive at this time, so it would actually take some of our funds to purchase these books.
I guess the only real problem with reading is that the learning stat isn't as useful to focus on right now compared to most of our other stats. Stewardship lets us learn how to make money, and supply our army, piety and diplomacy keep it together and martial and intrigue lets us fight our enemies. Learning lets us discover information, and gives us special options. I imagine that reading a map would be under learning, and speaking other languages definitely is. It also gives background info. It's useful, but its uses are also in some ways more limited to someone in our position.
Though I do second the question about what the money will buy us. What would 1fl buy us in bread, for example, or how much do weapons cost?
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- Location
- New York
There is some info I need to address considering the points made here by @Powerofmind
I am obliged to tell you that joining one Order locks you out of another. There are other orders that you may or may not be able to join based on pre-requisite and consequence of action (quest chains).
100 fl of food is bare minimum to last you to the next camp. If you don't buy enough, they wont starve, but they'll have to eat the shitty, crust, stale bread, and water that is given out y the Monastic Orders traveling with them. Youll take a morale hit. This series of actions, the logistic management, is about what do you want to sacrifice now to build up something else for later.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Note that an increase in Learning also granted us German, even if it was magically given. If we want to learn Latin or Arabic, Learning will be the way to do it.
- Location
- New York
By the way, learning how to read means learning Latin. It's the only written script used in the Catholic world. The Greeks use Cyrillic, and the Islamic world uses Arabic.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I thought Cyrillic was used by the Slavs, not the Greeks?
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
You were right too... Byzantine used Greek alphabet, Cyrilic appeared as adaptation of that for Bulgarian Empire.
- Location
- Tel'aran'rhiod
High Stewardship: (Abraham-only Actions)
[X] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
Holy Actions: (Hospitalier Order-only Actions)
[X] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
Personal Actions: (PC-only Actions)
[X] Find someone to teach you how to read. There are already some people in your Entourage who can do this. If you pick one of your advisors, the both of you will be locked out of taking actions for two camps worth of time. Its up to you to determine how much you need this. You will gain Learning from this process.
General Actions: (Can be taken by Anyone)
[X] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
-[X] 30% food
-[X] 30% arms and armor
[X] Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
[X] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
Holy Actions: (Hospitalier Order-only Actions)
[X] See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitalier. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
Personal Actions: (PC-only Actions)
[X] Find someone to teach you how to read. There are already some people in your Entourage who can do this. If you pick one of your advisors, the both of you will be locked out of taking actions for two camps worth of time. Its up to you to determine how much you need this. You will gain Learning from this process.
General Actions: (Can be taken by Anyone)
[X] Go to the Market. Buying, selling, trading in general will all count under one task for simplicity. Try to be specific with what you want to do with your money. Say you want to buy weapons, armor, or food in percentages, and I will tell you exactly how much of it you get.
-[X] 30% food
-[X] 30% arms and armor
[X] Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
- Location
- New York
I'm going to admit ignorance here and say that in my head, Cyrillic was the Greek alphabet...lol.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Partially correct. The Cyrillic Alphabet was based on the Greek Alphabet and made after the Slavs became Orthodox
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
Completely incorrect. Yes, it was based on it... but so was Latin one. And it's as much different from either of them as they are from each other.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I never said they were similar. I was saying partially correct in that there was a relation between the Greek and Cyrillic Alphabets. None of what you said invalidates what I said. It is just more interesting information.
- Location
- in the trash
[X] Utilize Jewish connections in Cologne. Abraham has family and acquaintances in Cologne. He can try to see if they can help you.
Loans are a bad idea, more Jews are a bad idea, this might actually be useful though we want to keep it low key. No one likes Jews.
[X] Brother Jacob: See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitaller. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
Hmm, well, if we recruited help from the Hospitallers we could get some healers attached to our branch of the crusade. Since miracles are real, we could get faith healers with actual healing hands, which are going to be pretty fucking useful once the fighting starts.
I could be convinced to switch to joining the Hospitallers though.
[X] Brother Thomas: Go to the Market. 150 florins on food and water, 150 florins to buy spears and crossbows to arm the crusade. Save the remaining 50 florins for future purposes.
Good armour is expensive. We're definitely not getting chainmail or anything like that in significant quantities. I would rather not bother as such, and focus on actually getting weapons to fight with first. We can't go wrong with extra food and provisions, and spears and crossbows are both easy to use. Again, most of our men are peasants, we shouldn't give them swords or shit like that that require training to use effectively. Maybe some of them know how to use a bow because they hunt but that's the most training I'd expect.
Also, ideally we should get Abraham to handle this, since he's the best of us at managing money, and can probably get us the best deals. Conversely, we definitely shouldn't let Gaucher buy stuff or attempt to do it personally; there's a chance either of us will end up getting scammed.
[X] Personal: Try to talk to Vindicator Gunther. You have no idea what this guy's deal is. Maybe it's time to find out.
...Look, remember when this guy just wandered off for no apparent reason and when he next showed up it was to cave in someone's head with a mace in because ???. We should definitely try to figure out what his deal is; we don't know what he's going to suddenly do next or why.
[X] Gaucher: Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
Recruiting scoundrels is probably not a good idea right now. We can't keep a close eye on them and at least a few of them are going to go off and do shit like stealing from the other camps. Also our friend's diplomacy and piety are actually pretty okay, so he shouldn't do too badly.
Loans are a bad idea, more Jews are a bad idea, this might actually be useful though we want to keep it low key. No one likes Jews.
[X] Brother Jacob: See if help can be gained from the Knights Hospitaller. One of the Brothers can try to get some assistance from other members of the Order stationed in Cologne or attached to other Wings.
Hmm, well, if we recruited help from the Hospitallers we could get some healers attached to our branch of the crusade. Since miracles are real, we could get faith healers with actual healing hands, which are going to be pretty fucking useful once the fighting starts.
I could be convinced to switch to joining the Hospitallers though.
[X] Brother Thomas: Go to the Market. 150 florins on food and water, 150 florins to buy spears and crossbows to arm the crusade. Save the remaining 50 florins for future purposes.
Good armour is expensive. We're definitely not getting chainmail or anything like that in significant quantities. I would rather not bother as such, and focus on actually getting weapons to fight with first. We can't go wrong with extra food and provisions, and spears and crossbows are both easy to use. Again, most of our men are peasants, we shouldn't give them swords or shit like that that require training to use effectively. Maybe some of them know how to use a bow because they hunt but that's the most training I'd expect.
Also, ideally we should get Abraham to handle this, since he's the best of us at managing money, and can probably get us the best deals. Conversely, we definitely shouldn't let Gaucher buy stuff or attempt to do it personally; there's a chance either of us will end up getting scammed.
[X] Personal: Try to talk to Vindicator Gunther. You have no idea what this guy's deal is. Maybe it's time to find out.
...Look, remember when this guy just wandered off for no apparent reason and when he next showed up it was to cave in someone's head with a mace in because ???. We should definitely try to figure out what his deal is; we don't know what he's going to suddenly do next or why.
[X] Gaucher: Try to recruit Pilgrims. Diplomacy and Piety checks.
Recruiting scoundrels is probably not a good idea right now. We can't keep a close eye on them and at least a few of them are going to go off and do shit like stealing from the other camps. Also our friend's diplomacy and piety are actually pretty okay, so he shouldn't do too badly.
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