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JainaQuest, giving SV voters control of Jaina in the Warcraft 3 era

What quest would you guys like as my secondary one (will update sporadically)

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RandomDwarf said:
yeah...we still might be send to the second continent if things go well, mostly because we just rallied half the damn continent against the scourge...as well as getting shit done.

also I have to ask, can the soldiers get more exp to become elite foot-men and such?

just asking because sooner or later people are going to become notable characters. (minor hero's and such at the rate were going!)
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That's in the informational notes.

Ranking is Recruit>Basic>Veteran>Elite>OP

So yeah, we can. We just have to keep them alive.

Also, rallied half the continent against the Scourge? What are you talking about? Later in canon, I guess?

Nothing on that scale has happened yet. This is just a recon mission that is going increasingly to shit. The Main Army of Lordaeron (or a portion of it) only starts getting involved with Stratholme. Even then, the Scourge don't become Northern Azeroth's (i.e nations other than Lordaeron) problem until Arthas comes back and kills his father and slaughters the residents of the Kingdom's Capital.
 
alright, lets just hope we can get a OP level order of people to follow us when we go fight the demons...

cause that's going to be needed for this shit!
 
RandomDwarf said:
alright, lets just hope we can get a OP level order of people to follow us when we go fight the demons...

cause that's going to be needed for this shit!
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*Shrug* OP level requires 6x the xp our troops have gotten so far. So we need to keep them alive through this campaign and under our control to maybe pull it off.
 
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ok just checking, hopefully we get the mini-boss in the next update and complete our main objective in finding out about the plague.
 
Valerian said:
One goal of mine would be to keep Arthas on side and preferably in Lordaeron throughout the campaign. That alone will seriously cripple the Lich King's plans and vastly alter canon (to the point I would be worried about a surprise Bronze Dragon attack).

A stretch goal would be to organize an active coalition based on hunting down Scourge cultists, Deamon worshipers and Legion Agents.

Something of a mix between the Argent Dawn and the Scarlet Crusade in manpower, dedication and effectiveness.

Basically an alternative to Jaina running Theramore if we manage to wipe away that timeline here
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ok about this.... you are in an alternate version of Azeroth and i really don't want to get into the timeline bs of the bronze flight so ima probs leave that out of this fic.

as for keeping Arthas in lordaeron or Jaina running Theramore.... you do realize if you choose to marry Arthas you gain complete control of Lordaeron right? the current most powerful human nation on Azeroth? why would you even care about Theramore lol. you would also gain control of Arthas and any heirs you eventually have together.
Valerian said:
Ranking is Recruit>Basic>Veteran>Elite>OP
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ahhh OP units lol.... ya you can get Elite units fairly easily but OP units i'm going to have you get only under special conditions...
because OP units are the 108th brigade in wintergarde keep WoW, the Stormwind Royal Guard, the Kor'Kron of the Warchief, and all other such units. They are not a dime a dozen and they are not pure EXP they are equipped with better equipment specific training and other such things that make them OP.
 
awww I see, also I'm guessing were going to pair the ever living heck out of both arthas and Jaina?

we get a nation, have some control over our kids, and beat the ever living heck out of the demons!!!

also mages...we could totally get a national screen thing up and running...

so yes, lets get arthas on the light side of creation and punch the ever living heck out of the lich king!

arthas getting the Ashbringer and then going Full on King Crusader of justice? because I would pay to see Ashbringer upgraded steadily overtime...to the full on point of legendary OP plz-nerf anti-undead and anti-demon weapon!
 
san said:
as for keeping Arthas in lordaeron or Jaina running Theramore.... you do realize if you choose to marry Arthas you gain complete control of Lordaeron right? the current most powerful human nation on Azeroth? why would you even care about Theramore lol. you would also gain control of Arthas and any heirs you eventually have together.
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Not tied to Theramore, just using it as a comparison to the nations/groups we could lead instead.

Jaina left to build it fairly early in the game, so changing the plot to avoid it needs to happen fast.

Marrying Arthas is in the cards, just noting that Kael'thas is in the running as is Jaina's one true Husbando: Magical Research. :p

Anyway running Lordaeron will massively change the game as having access to literally thousands of troops and the premiere leadership role in the Alliance (Stormwind only gets that status after Lordaeron falls) will be invaluable.
 
RandomDwarf said:
awww I see, also I'm guessing were going to pair the ever living heck out of both arthas and Jaina?

we get a nation, have some control over our kids, and beat the ever living heck out of the demons!!!

also mages...we could totally get a national screen thing up and running...

so yes, lets get arthas on the light side of creation and punch the ever living heck out of the lich king!

arthas getting the Ashbringer and then going Full on King Crusader of justice? because I would pay to see Ashbringer upgraded steadily overtime...to the full on point of legendary OP plz-nerf anti-undead and anti-demon weapon!
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The Ashbringer as it is in World of Warcraft is pretty much max upgrade.... and while you could get Arthas to wield it you can also upgrade his hammer to those levels of power too, see the thing about Azerothian weapons, in my book they absorb some of their creators strength, the strength of those who wield them for a long time and the strength of the enemies they kill to become truly powerful.... how else do you explain a pathetically basic stone hammer like Thrall's being able to match some of Azeroth's strongest weapons .

As for Arthas and Jaina pairing that is probably the best and easiest option to change cannon and to actually start the relationship, though you can also go with Kael or even Thrall if you want ;)


EDIT: sorry I think i said this wrong @RandomDwarf I meant that according to my philosophy on Azerothian weaponry Ashbringer would be in a MUCH weaker state than it is when you see it in WoW it gained power from being wielded by so many powerful paladins and Death knights plus all the powerful people it killed... the one you would wield if you choose to do so would end up being VERY different than the cannon Ashbringer.

Valerian said:
Anyway running Lordaeron will massively change the game as having access to literally thousands of troops and the premiere leadership role in the Alliance (Stormwind only gets that status after Lordaeron falls) will be invaluable.
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ah yes speaking of thousands of troops.... I am thinking of only writing the bigger battles that YOU participate in and just ignoring the smaller ones you join in on and ones done by people in your faction but your character(s) are not a part of.... want to know what you all think of this?

like it would let me update faster and we would proceed through the plot much faster but there would be a bit less action scenes (still plenty it just wouldn't be half or more action.) and a touch less characterization of the less important characters.
 
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san said:
ah yes speaking of thousands of troops.... I am thinking of only writing the bigger battles that YOU participate in and just ignoring the smaller ones you join in on and ones done by people in your faction but your character(s) are not a part of.... want to know what you all think of this?

like it would let me update faster and we would proceed through the plot much faster but there would be a bit less action scenes (still plenty it just wouldn't be half or more action.) and a touch less characterization of the less important characters.
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Works for me.

I only really expected our fights to be shown.

Just mention the others as a kind of report given about the progress of the war or maybe a rumor mill kind of deal.
 
hmmm agreed with the bigger battles, though I like thrall hes a good friend, Kael might be in the running but ends up as a plutonic friend...

Lets save arthas people!!!

also get arthas to "WACK-A-DEMON" levels of hammer time!

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I think super smash brothers corrupted the hammer for me...and its awesome when I think of the damn hammer time music + arthas going Leeory Jenkins
 
ok closing the vote on the chapter
Adhoc vote count started by san on Jan 28, 2018 at 4:22 PM, finished with 17 posts and 5 votes.
  • [X] Go to fight the enemy right away. Footmen will have only 3/4 of their HP and spellcasters including Jaina and Arthas will have half mana (rounding up) your troops will also have a small negative modifier to all rolls before the main stages of combat start. However the enemy will be unprepared for you and likely think everything is fine in the area making ambush easier and lowering their defenses greatly.
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Romance Options like this:
Arthas: the Easy route we can do this fairly early aswell. And well Arthas is what we need for Anti-Undead he has the Silerhand units. Having control of Uther Alexandros and Fairbanks. Line of Succesion if Jaina or Arthas dies we still have Lorderon under controll as long as we have a regent and an Heir.
Kael'thas:High chance to fail because 1.Heartbroken past 2.Queldorei Pride is worse than Sindorei Pride. 3. Probably can't get much respect from Magisters. 4.Might Scorn Half Breed Children by Queldorei. I doubt they'll listen once Kael'thas dies
Thrall: Very Very High Chance to fail
1.The Guys an Orc Papa Proudmore hates Orcs Papa Proudmore think we under a spell Arthas will probably join him aswell might cause in figthing so no. 2.Orcs wouldn't respect a human much. 3. Horde isn't lineage style its vote who becomes warchief so even if we Married Thrall he dies i doubt Orcs gonna vote us as Warchief. 4.Human Orc children probably scorned by both humans and orcs.

Best way Romance Arthas. Use lorderon Power to help Kael'thas in defense of Silvermoon. Fix relations with Orcish Horde.
 
lets also see where the level up vote is at.
Adhoc vote count started by san on Jan 28, 2018 at 5:15 PM, finished with 43 posts and 7 votes.
  • [X] Go to fight the enemy right away. Footmen will have only 3/4 of their HP and spellcasters including Jaina and Arthas will have half mana (rounding up) your troops will also have a small negative modifier to all rolls before the main stages of combat start. However the enemy will be unprepared for you and likely think everything is fine in the area making ambush easier and lowering their defenses greatly.
    [x] Plan Diplomancer
    -[x] Diplomacy
    -[x] HP
    -[x] Mana (x2)
    -[x] MR
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Adhoc vote count started by san on Jan 28, 2018 at 5:16 PM, finished with 27 posts and 3 votes.
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Hoshu said:
Romance Options like this:


Best way Romance Arthas. Use lorderon Power to help Kael'thas in defense of Silvermoon. Fix relations with Orcish Horde.
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Question: Why will there be a need to defend Silvermoon if Arthas never falls?

The army that destroyed Silvermoon was made up from the dead of Lordaeron.

There won't be a Scourge army if Arthas marries Jaina and rules Lordaeron.
 
Valerian said:
Question: Why will there be a need to defend Silvermoon if Arthas never falls?

The army that destroyed Silvermoon was made up from the dead of Lordaeron.

There won't be a Scourge army if Arthas marries Jaina and rules Lordaeron.
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heheheh you think its so easy to change history by merely bringing Arthas to the light side? ooooo buddy you are in for a TREAT

look up Arthas Campaign here for my thoughts on this matter lol ;) its if Arthas went good... yet not much changed MOOOHAHAHAHAHAHA
Arthas Campaign - Humans

 
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Keep in Mind Arthas wasn't the only vessel worthy to wear the Lich King Armor and Helm. ALL HAIL MURADIN THE LICH KING!!!
 
san said:
heheheh you think its so easy to change history by merely bringing Arthas to the light side? ooooo buddy you are in for a TREAT

look up Arthas Campaign here for my thoughts on this matter lol ;) its if Arthas went good... yet not much changed MOOOHAHAHAHAHAHA
Arthas Campaign - Humans
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Hmm, well its a start. But not super sure that campaign jives. Since Lordaeron in canon was able to afford to send Arthas on an expedition to Northrend without issue and seemed secure when he came home. (Until he stabbed his father and his now corrupt expeditionary force razed the city)

I don't see how not purging a single city could butterfly things into the entire country being under dire threat.
 
Valerian said:
Hmm, well its a start. But not super sure that campaign jives. Since Lordaeron in canon was able to afford to send Arthas on an expedition to Northrend without issue and seemed secure when he came home. (Until he stabbed his father and his now corrupt expeditionary force razed the city)

I don't see how not purging a single city could butterfly things into the entire country being under dire threat.
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if i remember right he took about half of the power of lordaeron with him to northrend..... as for one city not meaning too much.... as far as i have noticed Capitals in the Warcraft universe are the biggest cities by like A LOT... like 3-4 times the size of other cities at the bare minimum... so they represent a major portion of a nation's power.
 
san said:
if i remember right he took about half of the power of lordaeron with him to northrend..... as for one city not meaning too much.... as far as i have noticed Capitals in the Warcraft universe are the biggest cities by like A LOT... like 3-4 times the size of other cities at the bare minimum... so they represent a major portion of a nation's power.
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Stratholme is not the capital, not even close. It also only holds a small fraction of the nation's population.

Its a city in North Western Lordaeron, one of about 10 in the country.

Lordaeron is large and very well populated.

Other cities/notable settlements in Lordaeron:
Lordaeron (The Capital city is named the same as the Kingdom)
Andorhal
Brill
Hearthglen
Southshore
Tarren Mill
Caer Darrow
Corrin's Crossing
Tyr's Hand (Noted to be a large city)

So I'm wondering where the Scourge remnants are going to get their bodies. Because as it stands. Arthas could siege Stratholme after evacuating the un-corrupted citizenry and just wait for the Royal Army to show up and finish off what's left.

If he managed to Crush Mal'Ganis on a different continent with half of Lordaeron's army and no help from Luther and Jaina, he can certainly manage it at home with their help and the entire army.
 
Valerian said:
So I'm wondering where the Scourge remnants are going to get their bodies. Because as it stands. Arthas could siege Stratholme after evacuating the un-corrupted citizenry and just wait for the Royal Army to show up and finish off what's left.
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Cult of the Damned, Graveyards, and Any frigging battlefield with dead orcs and humans. Azeroth has alot of dead bodies to be honest. Especially human and orc kind and they could probably transport from northend aswell. Stratholme was possible an added bonus and a distraction to Arthas's forces aswell as its main goal is corrupting Arthas. Baron Rivendare is also infecting citizens so theres already a corrupted grain producer the shipements couldve been consecutively done and the only reason stratholme was famous because of the purge. Its quite possible it was a multi infection operation. Malganis is but 1 dreadlord theres 7 more aswell as the Baron so alot of operatives
 
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Valerian said:
Stratholme is not the capital, not even close. It also only holds a small fraction of the nation's population.

Its a city in North Western Lordaeron, one of about 10 in the country.

Lordaeron is large and very well populated.

Other cities/notable settlements in Lordaeron:
Lordaeron (The Capital city is named the same as the Kingdom)
Andorhal
Brill
Hearthglen
Southshore
Tarren Mill
Caer Darrow
Corrin's Crossing
Tyr's Hand (Noted to be a large city)

So I'm wondering where the Scourge remnants are going to get their bodies. Because as it stands. Arthas could siege Stratholme after evacuating the un-corrupted citizenry and just wait for the Royal Army to show up and finish off what's left.

If he managed to Crush Mal'Ganis on a different continent with half of Lordaeron's army and no help from Luther and Jaina, he can certainly manage it at home with their help and the entire army.
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lol I thought you meant how he wiped out lordaeron in cannon and how it surviving will not mean much... because you CAN cause it to survive its just going to be difficult.

As for how everything from here on out goes... well you will find out in later chapters.
 
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