Canon Loki — as in, Norse Mythology Loki — would probably not like to be reminded about that time he lost custody over his child because the child's father is someone's property, and that makes his child his property, too.
...huh? Wasn't Sleipners dad the workhorse for some ice giant or something that Loki was trying to stop by distracting the horse? By letting it fuck her and getting pregnant. Sleipner then eventually ended up as Odin's steed.

Nowhere as far as I can recall did Loki loose custody of Sleipner due to the father being owned by someone.
 
Why?
I feel like Aiz might appreciate some harmless payback against Loki...
As I said two posts before, Loki would need comforting, and Aiz would be the one who would have to give it. She would be rightly put out by that.

Canon Loki — as in, Norse Mythology Loki — would probably not like to be reminded about that time he lost custody over his child because the child's father is someone's property, and that makes his child his property, too.
I haven't seen this particular point mentioned before, but it certainly pours lemon juice in the wound.

...huh? Wasn't Sleipners dad the workhorse for some ice giant or something that Loki was trying to stop by distracting the horse? By letting it fuck her and getting pregnant. Sleipner then eventually ended up as Odin's steed.

Nowhere as far as I can recall did Loki loose custody of Sleipner due to the father being owned by someone.
Loki's task was punishment duty and he tried to run after calling Svaðilfari, so unless he has some serous kinks then what happened when he got caught wasn't exactly consensual. To add insult to injury the whole ordeal was for nothing because Thor executed the builder when it was discovered that he was a Frost Giant. While canon!Loki was a vicious little troll and may not have cared, for Osario!Loki (and thus INW!Loki) losing custody to Odin had to hurt.

TL;DR I don't think that those are particularly pleasant memories.
 
Reread done, time for another Analysis!


You tilt your head questioningly. You're certainly not going to complain about the bribery, but you're not sure why they believe it necessary at all.
Why First Person subjects here?

"'Of shadows and flame, of treasure long buried; of shifting the blame and the mothers who worried,'" Administrator quoted. "'Of the nature of monsters and the monsters of nature; of—'"
I wonder what the rest was going to be...
Or maybe people just never share the prophecies about their next lunch? she hoped. Please be something that innocent.
"Of shadow and flame: of treasure long buried" - the dungeon (Evidenced by Taylor's comment about it from within the Dream)
"Shifting the blame - mothers who worried" - fairly obvious
"Monsters - monsters" - what people are like & Friends/Dungeon creature origins

Worth noting that the Shard-space is an actual physical dimension, so Taylor has probably been literally constructing thousands of prototype Friends from the monster drops she stole acquired.

Stat growth isn't terribly surprising in the face of all that, though it's obviously weird as heck from everyone else's perspective.
Shard Space is comparable to Cyberspace from Megaman.
It's not real, yet not NOT real...
Currently, she is calling herself 'Dreamer,' but I find it likely she will switch to something else given time. It is too narrow a field to achieve Monarchy within a reasonable time-frame."
Ahahahaha...
What better person/Shard to take over the Network that the one who can provide Creativity they've long since lost...
Taylor's long-term goal won't be a focus of this story.
I can think of some ways to tie it in somewhat, with Taylor taking over after killing Zion.
That's at least Two Years down the line, in story.
but also their long-term ambitions, goals, and fantasies.
SEE ABOVE
Dreamer seemed like a perfect name for the fledgling goddess who dreamed of leading a righteous revolution against the mad, cannibalistic Titan posing as their father.
And then she mandates that Every Shard Gets Therapy.
Via joining Hestia's familia.
(Between the Traumatized, Shards and Xenos, Hestia is going to have a LOT of individuals with Unusual viewpoints...)
...I want to cuddle the kitties.

They sound awesome and I've always thought big cats just look so much fun to cuddle if they were friendly enough.
So, you want something in between how friendly Dogs and Cats act...
The Dreamer had no choice but to somehow invent alien birth control.
"First rule: NO NEWBORNS WITHOUT MY EXPLICIT APPROVAL!"
Queen Administrator rather liked Aiz's apparent priorities. Her new examination of Host hadn't stopped her from scratching under the chins of Host's Friends.
Platonic Relationship HO!
(Like Izuku and Todokeri in the story 'Yesterday Beneath the Stairs'
Aiz giggled in the moment before a hand shot up to her mouth, her eyes wide. If Queen Administrator was interpreting the asymmetrically-armored adolescent's need for processing correctly, Aiz appeared surprised such a sound had escaped her own mouth.
Aiz probably would heal best with Hestia's help...
Aiz slowly nodded, an amusement-tinged expression of happiness tugging the corners of her lips upward
Picture this: Aiz trolling Loki, Probably with Taylor's assistance.
It said something that the parental Titans of their species felt they needed to regularly cripple their children just to keep them from producing major threats. Actually, it mostly said that the Titans were abusive assholes. Stupid crab buckets. If your rules required to to hurt your kids to keep them from hurting themselves and you, then your house rules and what you taught them both needed to be changed.
...
Taylor's title, later:
[Goddess Dreamer] - shooting PAST 'mother'/'royal'...
A chorus of awwws resounded around the hall. It seemed Tiona wasn't anywhere near the only one to want a baby bundle of murderfloof.
Taylor's first Clients, everyone!
Aiz so rarely came out of her shell, but when she did, it was always to charge at foes with sword held high. Or to punish Loki for the usual sexual harassment. Either/or, really.
She needs help.
Kami-mama powers, activate!
In Tiona's opinion, she really could use a bit more social backbone. The Sword Princess crumbled way too easily in the face of peer pressure.
Something I think she'll get, as a part of her relationship with QA...
...Or at least, that was Hestia's current understanding. She actually felt bad for enjoying the mystery of her children as much as she was beginning to. Every time she thought she'd kindled a plausible explanation, they went and demanded she light a new hearth. It was a lot of fun now that she'd started thinking of them as a mystery instead of an oddity.
Hestia's "laziness" was actually more of 'listlessness' - given reason, now she can't enjoy it.
"The Wicked Witch of the Void was watching a movie and texting while drunk-driving. Crashing her broomstick into the tornado and having a house dropped on her left some marks."
ROFL.
What an analogy.
(Sneaky Taylor, telling QA what happened to Mother, via methods QA wouldn't understand...)
If the Queens Administrator wouldn't push themselves,
Typo?
She broke within half an hour.

"When did being lazy get boring?" Hestia wailed.
When you were needed.

unnecessary pre-berry memories
... whut...
AN: I swear the apparent reference to red chocobos was totally coincidental. A happy coincidence and one I found amusing given the prior thread mention, but a coincidence nonetheless
Link to where in the thread that was?
Also, where's YOUR reference?
but Aiz wasn't interested in the monarch in the other meaning of friend.
Who says being 'partners' has to be romantic?
One of her only viable explanations for their continued hostile behavior was the greater Dungeon's desire to prepare her for the two-legged invaders, to force the proxy to kill her would-be brethren and feast on their cores.
With an actual Xenos in the Familia, recruiting others will happen a lot easier!
(Bell would be a good ally for integrating them... sort of like canon)
Scholar no longer seemed like the right word for shard-Spirits; Hestia didn't think there existed a term for whatever they were.
uncreative Scientists.
There was no way Bell could keep up with Administrator, of course,
You sure?
Personal strength was one thing, but why should that matter when it had nothing to brace itself against?
It'd been quite a while since Aiz saw her goddess so thoroughly flabbergasted.
Admit it Aiz, you're enjoying that look!
"Aiz, we're bringing in Administrator. She's not safe where she is and if we're her Familia, everyone could be allowed Friends."
"Fiiiine. But I'm not stopping the others from pestering Queen Administrator for Friends of their own, got it?"
"Who knows, maybe we can use the logic of 'siblings of a cousin equal more cousins,'" Loki added. "I wouldn't mind having cat fur everywhere if it meant getting a small army of immortal battle-kitties to help keep you safe."
Again, first clients for Dreamer!
The influence Loki has would help Dramer get established...
Handing a strength-dependent weapon to a pallum, one of the physically weakest demihuman races of all? It was utterly absurd.
Munchkining is a Hebert specialty!
Even if that might actually work, Lili was not a dwarf. What was next, suggesting that the Supporter wear heavy armor?

…Merciless gods. She's going to do that, isn't she?
Aiz fits RIGHT in with the Heberts...
The Goddess of the Hearth no longer even wanted to find out who or what Terpsichore had been.
Actually, that one isn't bad.
She was a Muse.
Pulse, the Dungeon's agent tasked with locating the Other, slowly found herself transitioning from annoyance to resentment. The other defenders had yet to cease their attacks on her person
When did they get the name Pulse?
Creatures that colorful should not be capable of injecting venom into their enemies and condemning them to a slow death, she felt.
Um... colorful was often translates into Poisonous - or disgusing them as ones who are.
Poison Dart Frogs. Enough said.
Hestia shook her head furiously and halfheartedly glared at the Goddess of the Forge. Thanks to Hephaestus, Hestia couldn't enjoy being lazy.

The flabbergasted expression appearing on Hephaestus's face was priceless, Hestia decided.
looks like Hestia has some common ground with Loki - enjoying Trolling people!
That was from a Spirit blessing someone else.
You know, Kami can be translated as 'Divine/Heavenly/High Spirit'...
It's a tier of power.
After all, the Crozzo ability seems kind of like a scaled down version of the Falna - providing just one large skill, rather than the widespread benefits of the Falna.

Also, the Crozzo were focused on Quantity over Quality.... which may have had issues.
Like if Magic Swords are powered in a similar means as Spirita (from Tales of Xillia)...
We will not be victorious by attempting to do 'the same thing, only better.' We will succeed by doing something else."
*Grins*
(also... the IRONY...)
Dreamer rested her head in one hand and groaned. Why couldn't the waking world be simple?
That's what makes it fun!
At that point, Hestia honestly just felt numb to all the weirdness — and in general, if she was going to be honest. Being a parent was exhausting.
Embrace your new Normal, Hestia!
What was even the point of awarding Monarchy for expertise or ruling through consensus if an effective Newborn had not only managed to achieve the goal of shards so easily, but via breaking their rules?
And the award to highest jump in Network Status goes to-!"
The Cycle had been rendered obsolete.
Yep.
"Is she ever not? Seriously, girl is just as bad as Aiz."
Ah, I look forward to their future [platonic]! Relationship...
 
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Taylor's title, later:
[Goddess Dreamer] - shooting PAST 'mother'/'royal'...
To be fair, the shards pretty much worship MOTHER and FATHER, and Taylor isn't powerful enough to be considered a royal, she might be growing fast but she is still a newborn and would take years of studying and experimenting to be qualified a royal.

What she has is a new perspective and succeeding in their life goal using this new perspective in a way that would have been forbidden under the old one, thus proving her's the correct one, as well as giving her a good way to convince shards to not blow up earth, there is no point in blowing up earth to continue the cycle if they already completed it (and she being a former humans proven their worth to keep around).
 
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From the Shards' perspective, that probably translates to 'too dangerous to keep around'.
Humans are not very dangerous right now because their bodies are weak and technology not all that advanced in the closed off dimensions, they are easily converted to shards right now (and shards knew sapients can be dangerous, which is why they screen which dimensions to access to, can't risk themselves).
 
Why First Person subjects here?
These are actually Second Person Subjects, which are weirder in this context. Third and first Person are used most frequently in non-interactive fiction, while Second Person falls to the wayside in most instances of such, thriving instead in the asymmetrical interactive narrative, I.E. CYOA, Quests, and GM'd RP.
 
To be fair, the shards pretty much worship MOTHER and FATHER, and Taylor isn't powerful enough to be considered a royal, she might be growing fast but she is still a newborn and would take years of studying and experimenting to be qualified a royal.

What she has is a new perspective and succeeding in their life goal using this new perspective in a way that would have been forbidden under the old one, thus proving her's the correct one, as well as giving her a good way to convince shards to not blow up earth, there is no point in blowing up earth to continue the cycle if they already completed it (and she being a former humans proven their worth to keep around).
The reason Dreamer would get the authority:
She's the one who solved the Entropy Issue.
(QA insists)
 
The reason Dreamer would get the authority:
She's the one who solved the Entropy Issue.
(QA insists)
She will probably get a lot of authority on it, but I doubt it will be instantly on the level of MOTHER or FATHER, although she will get a lot of clout that doing things her way works because she completed their mission so fast, it won't be the godhood of the parents, at least this is how I understood it.
 
Humans are not very dangerous right now because their bodies are weak and technology not all that advanced in the closed off dimensions, they are easily converted to shards right now (and shards knew sapients can be dangerous, which is why they screen which dimensions to access to, can't risk themselves).
Except that Dreamer takes dangerous to levels that maybe only Philosopher could really begin to understand, and being a former Host has reason to have an axe to grind. There is a reason that shards enforce strict infosec even with low-tech species.

The reason Dreamer would get the authority:
She's the one who solved the Entropy Issue.
(QA insists)
That will certainly earn her notoriety, but I seem to recall QA being concerned that someshard might try to eat Dreamer to get exclusive access to that knowledge, which is why they aren't reporting back until they are strong enough to hold off the rest and make them behave.
 
That will certainly earn her notoriety, but I seem to recall QA being concerned that someshard might try to eat Dreamer to get exclusive access to that knowledge, which is why they aren't reporting back until they are strong enough to hold off the rest and make them behave.
Well, her strength will be showcased by Killing/Eating 'Father'...
 
Well, her strength will be showcased by Killing/Eating 'Father'...
She can't, father is just a bunch of shards right now (although I am not clear on the mind, I think his mind is separate from the shards that make him), who were chosen to sit this cycle out for the benefit of the group, Taylor grows fast but she likely won't grow enough to best so many shards at the same time anytime close anyway.

She didn't even think of taking him on a direct fight, she thought to lead a revolution, so don't expect her to surpass a royal in the scope of this story, she has some time.
 
Why would the mind be seperate from the shards that constituite it?
Because Taylor thought it is something that can be fought against (by leading a revolution, which is kind of pointless if you already convinced the majority as it would convince Scion by default).

As well as him becoming depressed in canon (and presumably), I am not sure how cut and dry it is, but I am not sure the shards work purely on democracy (although I do think it plays a large part).
 
Because Taylor thought it is something that can be fought against (by leading a revolution, which is kind of pointless if you already convinced the majority as it would convince Scion by default).

As well as him becoming depressed in canon (and presumably), I am not sure how cut and dry it is, but I am not sure the shards work purely on democracy (although I do think it plays a large part).
At least in canon Scion is a gestalt mind. The minds of every shard that constitutes Scion form together Scion's mind. Taking out one shard diminishes Scion's mind by a little bit and allows the shard to act independently.
 
At least in canon Scion is a gestalt mind. The minds of every shard that constitutes Scion form together Scion's mind. Taking out one shard diminishes Scion's mind by a little bit and allows the shard to act independently.
But we know the shards are conscious in there (and can presumably leave if they tried, as QA believed Eden's shards left on their own), as they mostly make simulations of killing things in their spare time (and planning their next cycle plans).

Maybe it is combination, the gestalt mind can be considered one mind but his parts are still aware and capable of acting independently.
 
But we know the shards are conscious in there (and can presumably leave if they tried, as QA believed Eden's shards left on their own), as they mostly make simulations of killing things in their spare time (and planning their next cycle plans).

Maybe it is combination, the gestalt mind can be considered one mind but his parts are still aware and capable of acting independently.
Maybe some kind of authorial change, like the thing with the budding.
 
It doubt it'd even look as though it had a soul.
I doubt

I did take a look at your newest Quest. It sounds interesting, although the bit about literally rebirthing the gods is a bit... weird...
Since it's new and only has a few chapters so far, is there any chance you can make a story-only thread for if we want to read the thing without needing to sort out all the voting options, though? (plus my downloader doesn't respect spoiler tags, if I end up wanting to make a copy to read offline, but that's a personal reason)

I look forward to seeing what sort of chaos ensues here. There are a lot of flags getting set right now--Maat's meeting, Lili's possible bonuses and youthening, QA's realization that she no longer has to listen to her parents, whatever the dungeon is up to (I am half expecting some sort of unholy alliance where QA and the dungeon team up to make all the magic stones to break physics and take over the multiverse), Taylor's attempt to have a childhood that seems to actually be going quite well...

Although I'd love to see a Sanctioned update too... :D
 
I did take a look at your newest Quest. It sounds interesting, although the bit about literally rebirthing the gods is a bit... weird...
Here's a game I'd like to introduce you to: Spot the mythology/religion theme(s)! :V

(No but really there are a lot in there)

Is there any chance you can make a story-only thread for if we want to read the thing without needing to sort out all the voting options
Sure. Later, though; doing it for so few posts seems a bit pointless. Next for the quest is 7k words in and almost done, but I need to add a few tricky scenes and complete the map. Neither of those were things I could really do while a half-medicated puddle.

Finally medicated again, so I'm now working on the next update for this; next INW is about 3k words and counting, the vast majority of which are from QA's POV. I expect it to be about 5k-ish before I reach a good stopping point.
 
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Isn't 'story only' what the Reader Mode button is for? Just hit that an all so you see are the threadmarked posts.
More-or-less, but it is a bit unrefined. A story-only thread is a great chance to edit things a bit and consolidate everything. Of special not is things like ongoing status updates. A quest works best when everyone is up-to-date, so a single informational post for a character sheet that updates is ideal, so it is always accurate and it is easily located. For a story-0only though, you want to know the character sheet for the point in the story that you are currently reading, so it would be best to have them at the start of chapters or the like. Likewise, the tags are currently separated into threadmarks and side-stories and apocrypha. These are generally best read in the order in which they were written, because they will likely pertain to similar points in the story that way. A story-only thread can have them placed in where the author feels that they will add something, and left out if they would distract from the story or shift from the intended mood.

Basically: there are a set of considerations for a quest as something to play, and a set of considerations for a quest as something to read. While there is overlap, a story-only thread is a chance to focus on the latter, while a quest thread really ought to focus upon the former.
 
ROFL.
What an analogy.
(Sneaky Taylor, telling QA what happened to Mother, via methods QA wouldn't understand...)

In all fairness to QA, Taylor's metaphor there is so incomprehensible that it only really makes sense in hindsight. It's nearly impossible to solve unless you know in advance what the correct answer is, or have a bucketload of context with which to figure it out.
 
You know, when the Fates descend, I am counting on one of them accidentally babbling that Dreamer is "basically a baby goddess". Extra fun if it is said while drunk and in Hestia's hearing range, considering her current idea of shard society and their goals. Hell, if QA starts preparing more Friends and Hestia (or someone else) asks her why, and she answers with that Dreamer, having found the answer to the Question(TM), is now gonna be targetted by Cousins, Aunts and Uncles because of it and has to be protected.

Even more fun if Lili is also present to hear it, and even better if it's explained that yes, becoming a spirit is on the table. This could lead her down the tracks to thinking godhood is on the table of race change.
 
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Hell, if QA starts preparing more Friends and Hestia (or someone else) asks her why, and she answers with that Dreamer, having found the answer to the Question(TM), is now gonna be targetted by Cousins, Aunts and Uncles because of it and has to be protected.
Didn't Queen say that Friends (or at least purely biological ones) are too weak for shard on shard (or entity on entity) conflict.

Anyway, a Friend that can fight a shard is not likely to be anything like what they used until now.
 
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