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It's not wrong to make Friends in the Dungeon (Danmachi / Sanctioned [Worm])

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fictionfan said:
Ah this is the actual first time QA used that expression.
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I know. Yes, it's different from prior times, and is supposed to be.
Important Author's Note (Story Direction)
(Will be repeated at bottom of next story post)​

In my arrogance, I assumed that I could tell this story unimpeded without spoiling the original. Turns out that doing so would require more changes than I've made so far, to the point of properly qualifying as AU. It's apparently an unfortunate consequence of covering things in enough detail for non-Danmachi readers to enjoy it.

Taylor can more easily ignore the suffering of individuals now, but systematic issues dark enough for her to say "Wrong genre, GTFO" will still draw her ire should she notice. Meanwhile, Queen Administrator considers people in terms of good potential hosts, I.E. creative people likely to have a bad enough day to trigger. That generally means people in the kinds of situations that Danmachi's harem protagonist rescues people from on a regular basis.

Ishtar's systematic forced prostitution. Relatively soon, the Soma Familia's situation will also come up.

I don't want to change the setting so that the Dungeon is the only major source of conflict; the consequences of QAylor's bumbling are fun. That leaves me with roughly three choices, and there's a link below to a strawpoll featuring them. Additional feedback would not be unwelcome, either.

1: Change the names and put up an "AU" tag; utilize gods that Danmachi canon didn't and twist the setting to place them in antagonistic roles instead.
2: Stick with the original names, but put a {spoilers} tag on this story's thread.
3: Leave this author's note as a warning (on the next story post) and be arguably mildly irresponsible by not otherwise tagging this thread. :V

In every case, prior knowledge of Danmachi will not be required for this story. Options 2 and 3 (which don't necessarily correspond to listed Strawpoll order for some reason) might spoil some stuff for you, though.
http://www.strawpoll.me/19124971


EDIT: Huh. So apparently the link connected to the actual poll. Neat!
 
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I have no plans to ever read Danmachi, so don't worry about spoiling me. In fact, I would prefer spoilers. Its the only way I will ever find out what the source materials actual plot is.
If people are really worried about spoilers then they just won't read your story. IMO the only time you really need spoiler warnings when posting fanfiction are if your fic catches up with the actual material. Like recently with Infinity War. But now that has been out for several months so there is no reason to even warn of spoilers.
Also, its cool that the vote updates in real time without refreshing the page.
 
I've only read up until a little past the floor 18 debacle in the Manga and played the phone game (Danmachi Memoria Freeze) to the same point, but I already knew of those issues.

Given the overall story of Danmachi those two gods each being a bag of dicks aren't that big of a spoiler. We know almost from the start that Soma's not the kind of god most people in the real world would want as a patron. I didn't know Ishtar's exact issues, but the manga at least is pretty good at telegraphing when someone's slimey.

One thing that did throw me was that there's no first post warning that either Bell's been butterflied away, or hasn't yet been introduced and will come in as Hestia's THIRD child.
 
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Valdimarian said:
I've only read up until a little past the floor 18 debacle in the Manga and played the phone game (Danmachi Memoria Freeze) to the same point, but I already knew of those issues.

Given the overall story of Danmachi those two gods each being a bag of dicks aren't that big of a spoiler. We know almost from the start that Soma's not the kind of god most people in the real world would want as a patron. I didn't know Ishtar's exact issues, but the manga at least is pretty good at telegraphing when someone's slimey.

One thing that did throw me was that there's no first post warning that either Bell's been butterflied away, or hasn't yet been introduced and will come in as Hestia's THIRD child.
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Being entirely honest here, you don't even need to know Danmachi to predict Ishtar. The real-world Ishtar is most associated with one thing: temple prostitutes. This is a world with slavery. You already know from those two facts what Ishtar's basic deal is.
 
Alivaril said:
I know. Yes, it's different from prior times, and is supposed to be.
Important Author's Note (Story Direction)
(Will be repeated at bottom of next story post)​

In my arrogance, I assumed that I could tell this story unimpeded without spoiling the original. Turns out that doing so would require more changes than I've made so far, to the point of properly qualifying as AU. It's apparently an unfortunate consequence of covering things in enough detail for non-Danmachi readers to enjoy it.

Taylor can more easily ignore the suffering of individuals now, but systematic issues dark enough for her to say "Wrong genre, GTFO" will still draw her ire should she notice. Meanwhile, Queen Administrator considers people in terms of good potential hosts, I.E. creative people likely to have a bad enough day to trigger. That generally means people in the kinds of situations that Danmachi's harem protagonist rescues people from on a regular basis.

Ishtar's systematic forced prostitution. Relatively soon, the Soma Familia's situation will also come up.

I don't want to change the setting so that the Dungeon is the only major source of conflict; the consequences of QAylor's bumbling are fun. That leaves me with roughly three choices, and there's a link below to a strawpoll featuring them. Additional feedback would not be unwelcome, either.

1: Change the names and put up an "AU" tag; utilize gods that Danmachi canon didn't and twist the setting to place them in antagonistic roles instead.
2: Stick with the original names, but put a {spoilers} tag on this story's thread.
3: Leave this author's note as a warning (on the next story post) and be arguably mildly irresponsible by not otherwise tagging this thread. :V

In every case, prior knowledge of Danmachi will not be required for this story. Options 2 and 3 (which don't necessarily correspond to listed Strawpoll order for some reason) might spoil some stuff for you, though.
http://www.strawpoll.me/19124971


EDIT: Huh. So apparently the link connected to the actual poll. Neat!
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For what it's worth, that's about as far as I've gotten. This is also approximately the extent of the two anime seasons, from my brief skim.

My ideal would be:
- Opening Post notice
- Next story post notice
- Spoilers tag
 
Alivaril said:
Additional feedback would not be unwelcome, either.
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I don't think this situation applies to me, as I am not interested is the kind of work that Danmachi appears to be. However, I think that if you read a fanfic, you should expect spoilers of the source material. If someone doesn't want to be spoiled, they should catch up on the source material first. Admittedly, this may be tricky when it is released in different mediums that don't line up on the story progress, but that doesn't make it your problem. As far as I am concerned, this story has been presented just fine so far and you can keep presenting it this way.

Besides, direct retellings of the original with just a character swapped are mostly boring :p
 
IMHO you can't do a fanfic and NOT spoil something (even if it is something minor) of the story ... So yeah just tag it and move on.

You could also add a information note asking people not to spoil thing besides the ones already covered by the story.
 
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My own completely personal option would be do a combination of 1 and 2. You should warn for spoilers for those people that care about that sort of thing.

On an unrelated point you can expand out from canon, if you are willing to world build a bit. Don't be afraid to add new gods and create new scenarios for Tay and QA. Both allies and as enemies. E.g Anansi (African spider god of wisdom, fate and stories), Thermis (Greek Titaness of Law and Administration) and ironically enough Vesta who's domains weren't just hearth and home but also the State and Oaths. Family, Duty, Home and Rome. Was a bit of a motto for the Vestal priesthood.
 
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Alivaril said:
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I used to read Danmachi manga a bit in 2013 (only the beginning) and then I stopped reading manga at all (busy with RL). However because of your story I recently read a bunch of danmachi fanfics on fanfiction.net so in my opinion you can maybe just put spoiler-warning in the very first post and then do whatever you want with your story.
Others like me who checked out other fanfics are probably spoiler-ed for over half the content.

Entertainment district? Really? (that's my reaction to original danmachi author)

Addendum: Oh just to be clearer, I'll probably not read or watch Danmachi novel/manga/anime.
Ciber said:
I have no plans to ever read Danmachi, so don't worry about spoiling me.
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"Ever" is a bit strong word for me, but I am kinda in the same boat I guess.
 
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I thought the point of this was to practice including enough information in the story that people who don't know the source material can follow it. Spoilers don't just come with the territory, they're built into it. I like your AUs, so don't let me dissuade you from that, but I came here with the understanding that you were essentially practicing giving spoilers.
Logos01 said:
The real-world Ishtar is most associated with one thing: temple prostitutes.
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I mostly know her for giving enbies their magical healing powers, yet as far as I'm aware there isn't a single nonbinary Danmachi character.
 
Torgamous said:
I thought the point of this was to practice including enough information in the story that people who don't know the source material can follow it. Spoilers don't just come with the territory, they're built into it. I like your AUs, so don't let me dissuade you from that, but I came here with the understanding that you were essentially practicing giving spoilers.
I mostly know her for giving enbies their magical healing powers, yet as far as I'm aware there isn't a single nonbinary Danmachi character.
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Indeed, regarding spoilers and following the story. As to enbies and healing powers... That's so ridiculously unrelated to the Babylonian/Mesopotamian/Sumerian mythology I don't even know where to start. There's just no part of her lore that supports a shamanistic tradition.
 
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By running the risk of being disagreed with immediately after I make this post, I would have to say that most of us either don't care about being spoiled for Danmachi, or we simply have no intention of going to the source material in the first place. After all I never even touched the WORM novel, all my knowledge comes from several fanfics and a few wiki crawls for references in art.

So I'll just say this: Do what you will, for I have already won.
 
If my memory serves me wasn't there a Tamer convention coming up soon in Canon. Think that QA and her Friends will have anything to do with it?
 
I personally couldn't care less about Danmachi being spoiled and have no plans to ever read it, so just go with whatever's most convenient.
 
Thinking about it I find it little odd that Hestia was making tiny amounts of money working at a food stand. It seems like any god should be able to leverage their ability to detect lies more profitably. Such as court cases and contracts. There aren't that make gods in the city. So the demand for lie detection should outstrip supply. I mean every god that comes down from heaven should be in the same situation that Hestia was in at first so the system for employing gods that don't have a familia yet should already be well established.
 
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fictionfan said:
Thinking about it I find it little odd that Hestia was making tiny amounts of money working at a food stand. It seems like any god should be able to leverage their ability to detect lies more profitably. Such as court cases and contracts. There aren't that make gods in the city. So the demand for lie detection should outstrip supply.
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You assume that there are courts. Or contracts outside of the Guild. Or that there's no truth magics that are mortally accessible. Or, for that matter, that having access to certain knowledge that someone isn't lying is sufficient grounds to resolve arbitrative disputes.

As it turns out, a rather large number of cases where two or more people do not agree can't be resolved by something as simple as getting everyone not to lie; they all believe themselves to be in the right.
 
fictionfan said:
Thinking about it I find it little odd that Hestia was making tiny amounts of money working at a food stand. It seems like any god should be able to leverage their ability to detect lies more profitably. Such as court cases and contracts. There aren't that make gods in the city. So the demand for lie detection should outstrip supply. I mean every god that comes down from heaven should be in the same situation that Hestia was in at first so the system for employing gods that don't have a familia yet should already be well established.
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Sooo... Danmachi or at least Oritoria is Basicly old west rules. Sure the Sheriff(the guild) exists but in the end its all about who has the biggest guns. There isn't any courts as far as we see. The Guild can punish people but in reality if they dont wanna follow the rules they just leave(Apollo). Contracts similarly only seem to exist between gods or people who can afford Leg Breakers(rich or nobles).
 
fictionfan said:
Are there any large organizations that don't have a god in them?
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There are other kingdoms outside Orario's territory, but their ambassadors are easily terrified by the higher level adventurers cutting loose a little during an exhibition tournament. (Granted this is from the Memoria Freese gacha game anniversary event involving the Black Behemoth)
 
fictionfan said:
Thinking about it I find it little odd that Hestia was making tiny amounts of money working at a food stand. It seems like any god should be able to leverage their ability to detect lies more profitably. Such as court cases and contracts. There aren't that make gods in the city. So the demand for lie detection should outstrip supply. I mean every god that comes down from heaven should be in the same situation that Hestia was in at first so the system for employing gods that don't have a familia yet should already be well established.
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The problem here is that she chose to live in Orario, the richest and most powerful city. I mean sure she could make a business outside it, but that would require some ambition.
 
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