Is Gender Bending fiction harder to write these days?

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In these days when we are more aware of Trans issues, is it difficult to write for the gender Bender sub genre?

As someone who has interests in this trope/sub genre, I am rather hesitant on writing stories that have anything to do with it.

My interest and fascination with transformation fiction and art came when I first read Ranma 1/2 in middle school, which was also my introduction to manga. I began to fantasize about what would it be like to change genders. I started to search for TF/TG artwork on Deviant art and videos on YouTube. I even made an account on the Process Productions forum. The discovery of TV Tropes lead me to reading webcomics such as El Goonish Shive and Misfile.

Going back to Ranma, I began reading Fanfiction. One trope or cliche of Ranma Fanfiction that interested me the title character being mode locked, I.E being temporary or permanently trapped in the main characters female form. To me, this trope had some ripe potential for some drama involving loss of identity as well as exploration. I also thought it would be deeply ironic that a chauvinistic character like Ranma would end up trapped in a female body.

Naturally, I was introduced to the T in LGBT. What fascinated me about Trans people is that unlike other genres or types of transformation, they seemed to confirm to me that Gender Bending was real. I then learned about Gender Dysphoria, which as time went on and my interest in writing increased, I became rather hesitant at writing any Ranma Fanfiction or for that matter any stories involving gender Bending.


So what's anyone's thoughts on this? Does anyone agree that gender dysphoria sort of makes writing gender Bending fiction difficult and or problematic in today's world? I would especially like to hear from LGBT individuals.
 
Before I begin this, let me say that I like Ranma 1/2. I like Tanya the Evil. I like a bunch other anime, manga, and other fiction that involve things like gender-flipping, whether as a once-off storytelling device, or a premise of the work. These pretty much all have problems, sometimes big ones, but the works are still enjoyable and there's nothing wrong with that. However, I think there's a lot to discuss here.

I would say that there is, while not an inherent issue certainly, an inherent concern with cis writers writing works about being trapped in the body of a gender that isn't yours. And isn't you. Part of this is because it can be, at least for me, slightly tricky to describe. It's tied up in all sorts of senses of identity and states of being, for lack of a better way to put it. I am me, and yet my body is not me. There's just a lot of complexities and problems tied up in that, that it can be hard to kind of pin things down and properly define them.

This is especially true when it comes to not just defining what is meant to be trans, or gender-flipped in this case, but also what it's like living that way. Dysphoria is a complicated mess of a thing, that manages to create s much suffering as it is difficult to understand. There are all kinds of triggers, and it varies from person to person. The exact reaction a person has differs from person to person as well. There are general similarities in the basic reaction, which can be used to generalize, but this is something that you need to do carefully, especially if it's not something one has experienced for themselves.

So how does this all tie into gender-bending? Well you have the replication of the feeling of a trans person (a mind that possesses a gender identity being shoved into a body of the other gender), and overall you need to appropriately capture how somebody would react to that and deal with it. These are things that can be very hard to do, because what you're writing about is something that is messy and complex and complicated, and if you haven't experienced it there's aspects that can simply be difficult to really understand. In plenty of gender bending or pseudo-gender bending stories (Tanya the Evil came up in the Pet Peeves thread when we were discussing something similar) the sense of dysphoria that the character would get is simply... ignored. I don't think this is even necessarily intellectual laziness, I think the writer simply didn't understand the sort of experience that is endured in these cases. And they shouldn't be shamed for that, but it's a danger of writing this kind of story.

There's also the issue of humor. I don't think this kind of story would need to be a humorless dirge to be good, but the targeting of the humor is important. WACKY GENDERBENDING SHENANIGANS kind of... falls flat, to put it mildly, yet in more comedic series like Ranma it is so often the punchline, or a key element of the joke. The jokes need to diversify, and if you're going to make the joke involve gender flipping or the process of such, the process still needs to be treated with some sort of respect and nuance. I think this can be hard, especially when the other option can be so tempting, but I certainly think it's possible to do.

To be clear, I think these stories can work, and I think that cis people could certainly write them. The issue is that there are so many factors at play that make things difficult and make it so that properly authentically capturing things unless you have access of knowledge regarding how the process works will result in a, for lack of a better word, ignorant outcome. And while it's most certainly not intentional, that can have deeply problematic results, and can be deeply annoying to people that have the experiences being neglected. I think that overall, if cis people write carefully (or consult with a trans friend/colleague) or trans people effectively convey their own experiences and don't make them the Official Ones... I think genderflip stories can be fine. It's just that we don't get that, that's an issue.
 
In these days when we are more aware of Trans issues, is it difficult to write for the gender Bender sub genre?

As someone who has interests in this trope/sub genre, I am rather hesitant on writing stories that have anything to do with it.

My interest and fascination with transformation fiction and art came when I first read Ranma 1/2 in middle school, which was also my introduction to manga. I began to fantasize about what would it be like to change genders. I started to search for TF/TG artwork on Deviant art and videos on YouTube. I even made an account on the Process Productions forum. The discovery of TV Tropes lead me to reading webcomics such as El Goonish Shive and Misfile.

Going back to Ranma, I began reading Fanfiction. One trope or cliche of Ranma Fanfiction that interested me the title character being mode locked, I.E being temporary or permanently trapped in the main characters female form. To me, this trope had some ripe potential for some drama involving loss of identity as well as exploration. I also thought it would be deeply ironic that a chauvinistic character like Ranma would end up trapped in a female body.

Naturally, I was introduced to the T in LGBT. What fascinated me about Trans people is that unlike other genres or types of transformation, they seemed to confirm to me that Gender Bending was real. I then learned about Gender Dysphoria, which as time went on and my interest in writing increased, I became rather hesitant at writing any Ranma Fanfiction or for that matter any stories involving gender Bending.


So what's anyone's thoughts on this? Does anyone agree that gender dysphoria sort of makes writing gender Bending fiction difficult and or problematic in today's world? I would especially like to hear from LGBT individuals.
It's not any harder than it ever was. It's just that people who fuck it up or use it for bigoted or fetish reasons get called out, as they should.
 
El Goonish Shive is an interesting case of starting with wacky gender bending shenanigans and growing more aware, with the writer eventually realizing they're gender fluid themselves.
 
So I'm late as hell to the punch line, but speaking as a trans woman who has always been interested in reading and writing gender-bending fiction, I thought I'd pitch in my two cents. Beware of generalities.

In short, no, gender-bending fiction is not harder to write because of the proliferation of trans awareness.

The longer answer is that as a genre, gender-bending fiction doesn't exist for its own sake! As a culture, we write gender-bending fiction because we already have gender-transgressive impulses, but we don't know how to engage with them. Our lack of competence and comfort with gender-transgression is a systemic issue that can't be solved by individual authors going out of their way to write unproblematic gender-bending fiction. Or at least, it's unfair to place the burden of fixing this issue on the authors in question.

To break that down a little more, let's go back to Ranma 1/2, because it's a classic, and I was just talking about it the other day. Ranma 1/2 spoilers ahead, obviously, but I imagine that's probably not much surprise or concern to everyone in this thread.

Going back to Ranma, I began reading Fanfiction. One trope or cliche of Ranma Fanfiction that interested me the title character being mode locked, I.E being temporary or permanently trapped in the main characters female form. To me, this trope had some ripe potential for some drama involving loss of identity as well as exploration. I also thought it would be deeply ironic that a chauvinistic character like Ranma would end up trapped in a female body.

So how does this all tie into gender-bending? Well you have the replication of the feeling of a trans person (a mind that possesses a gender identity being shoved into a body of the other gender), and overall you need to appropriately capture how somebody would react to that and deal with it. These are things that can be very hard to do, because what you're writing about is something that is messy and complex and complicated, and if you haven't experienced it there's aspects that can simply be difficult to really understand. In plenty of gender bending or pseudo-gender bending stories (Tanya the Evil came up in the Pet Peeves thread when we were discussing something similar) the sense of dysphoria that the character would get is simply... ignored. I don't think this is even necessarily intellectual laziness, I think the writer simply didn't understand the sort of experience that is endured in these cases. And they shouldn't be shamed for that, but it's a danger of writing this kind of story.

Just for the sake of argument, I want you to imagine an anime where the main character is a sexually attractive woman persistently forced by circumstances to flash the audience and show off her body. Maybe she has to go naked in order to use her incredible superpowers for some convoluted reason, or maybe she's cursed to destroy her clothes every time she's dunked in cold water. Whatever.

This is a completely hypothetical exercise, of course; no naming names!

I think we would all agree that this anime is pretty damn horny; more than that, I think we would all agree that the anime is persistently horny on purpose. If it's not written to appeal to the author's own sexual desires, then it's written to appeal to an audience with sexual desires.

And although the urge to gender-transgression isn't an intrinsically sexual urge, I would argue that it's equally basal, rooted in id and embodiment on a similar level. When a work of fiction persistently goes out of its way to portray gender-bent characters, that gender-bending is ultimately there to appeal to gender-transgressive desires. Watching Ranma 1/2 doesn't mean that you're transgender, but being transgender makes you a kind of person who is likely to be compelled by Ranma 1/2.

See, Ranma 1/2 is nominally a story about a cisgender boy with a gender-bending curse that activates every time he's splashed with cold water; Ranma 1/2 is nominally a story about a "boy trapped in a girl's body", to borrow a particularly cisgender turn of phrase. And yet, despite all that, Ranma 1/2 is a transfeminine allegory.

Ranma's potential womanhood -- as someone with access to a body that can pass as female, of course, but also as a human being who can choose to live as a woman -- is persistently invalidated and disqualified by the people closest to him. His love interests need him to be the man that they're interested in, and his family needs him to fulfill the social contract of filial obligation. For a time, Ranma's mother, Nodoka, wants him to commit ritual suicide for failing to live up to her standards of masculinity; she wants to commit a hate crime against him. This is all played for slapstick, but this is ultimately a transfeminine experience, or at least a queer AMAB experience.

Ranma Saotome ostensibly experiences the same type of dysphoria that trans men do, but his life hits all of the beats of a trans woman's life. His relationships with other people are shaped by his gender in the same way that a trans woman's relationships are. Ranma's gender issues come from a magical cold-water curse, but that is, at the very least, blatant wish fulfillment for trans woman. I would even go so far as to say that Ranma's cold-water curse is yet another transfeminine allegory. It comes from without, and it changes his body, but it has the same effect on his life as "realistic" transgender feelings and desires, which come from within. Ranma tries to find a cure for his curse, but how many trans women have tried to "cure" themselves of their queerness and their desire to transition? Ranma didn't choose his curse, but how many trans women choose to feel gender dysphoria?

Towards the end of the manga, Ranma becomes more comfortable with his femininity in various asides. In the final chapters, Ranma even goes so far as to accept his curse! In canon! He doesn't just decide to give up his chance at a cure for the sake of something more important; he outright says that he stopped caring so much about his curse, that his girl side was always a part of him in some sense, and that his cold-water curse might not have ever been a curse.

If you read Ranma 1/2 as a story about a boy, this is problematic. It makes makes Ranma 1/2 (and every cliche "Ranma gets stuck as a girl" fanfic) a story where dysphoria is just ignored and handwaved away. It makes Ranma 1/2 a story about a boy who learns to just up and accept living in a body he hates. But emotionally, I don't think that's what the story of Ranma 1/2 is really about. Emotionally and allegorically, Ranma 1/2 is a story about a closeted trans woman who comes to terms with her gender.

With a lot of other garbage thrown in, to be fair, but really, that is the core of Ranma 1/2 that made it more than a martial arts harem manga. And this is what most all gender-bending fiction is, too.

Gender-bending fiction is nominally a genre about people who get trapped in incorrectly gendered bodies and then inexplicably end up not suffering gender dysphoria... but it's broadly an allegory for people who transition, learn to accept themselves, and find themselves in correctly-gendered bodies.

When people want to explore gender-transgression, they read and write gender-bender fiction instead of explicit trans fiction for a few reasons, some of which are social and contingent. Gender-bending is more effective than gender transition (the wish fulfillment factor), but it also manages to be massively more plausible and intuitive (because the vast majority of people don't know that gender transition really exists, and they don't know what it entails).

Gender-bending is emotionally safer than gender transition, because people at large are transphobes, and more willing to put up with the gender of a gender-bent character. Gender-bending is seen as "real", despite the fact that it only exists in fiction, while gender transition is seen as "fake", because our culture is gender-essentialist. We think of gender as what we are, instead of something we can do, or something we can perform, or something we can choose from moment to moment, and us trans people generally go along with this, because if we tell cis people that we're choosing to live a certain way, they'll force us to "choose" to live in the way that they want us to live.

Gender-bending is emotionally safer than gender transition, because gender-bending is something that Just Happens to fictional characters, without any responsibility or moral culpability on their part, while gender transition is a choice you have to personally make. Gender-bending has some plausible deniability, because it's hilarious comedy gold that no-one expects to have anything to do with real people. Gender-bending has some plausible deniability because cis people don't exactly watch Ranma and think "wow, this is incredibly trans-coded!".

But most importantly -- and intrinsically -- gender-bending is an emotionally safe way to explore gender transgression because it's ambiguous. Explicit transness is terrifying to somebody in the closet, but cisness is a choking stranglehold of identity. In trans communities, I see older trans people telling unsure young adults that they can try reversible transition steps to see if transition is right for them, without feeling bound or obligated in advance to make a choice either way.

And that's what gender-bending is: a kind of hypothetical transition, reserved for thought experiments, which doesn't obligate anyone to identify as anything, or feel anything, or do anything. And without obligations, people are free to feel themselves.

Once, Aevee Bee wrote of cosplay and gender exploration: "...I think people should not have to feel like they are committing to something just by the way they dress. If it felt unsafe for people dipping their toes in gender feelings to cosplay a canonical closeted trans woman, the irony is almost too painful for me to imagine? ...the idea that there might be a closeted trans woman being either told by others or telling herself she can't cosplay a closeted trans woman because she doesn't think she's trans enough or thinks she's too cis is so horrifying a thought I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. A truth can be ambiguous; protecting that liminal space protects people."

And similarly, I think gender-bending fiction is a necessary liminal space for a lot of people. It's often problematic and terribly confused, and it usually manages to perpetuate dumb ideas about gender and sex and transness, but in that respect it's a symptom of people who are terribly confused, and reading and writing these stories for a reason, and trying to process everything their cultures have said about gender and sex and transness.

When cishet people want to throw gender-bending into their work for titilation, or to make an audience out of the people who are drawn to gender-bending, that's one thing. But the people in this liminal space are the most dedicated to consuming and producing gender-bending fiction, and I fundamentally can't and won't expect them to be be fully unambigous, thought-out, or un-problematic in the process. Not while they're still unfucking their shit.
 
As a boringly conventional person, I don't have any deep insight into how the trans community feels about Gender Bender fiction, but I can talk about where it fits for me. Gender Bender fiction has two strong hooks that keep it relevant that are... well, at most peripheral to the transgendered community. I won't say 'unimportant,' because I'm unqualified to make that call, but they don't require you to be trans to appreciate.

First, they can be stories where a protagonist who is LIKE YOU has to experience or explore something distant and exotic. Yes, that's basically a Isekai story, only on a social level rather then going to fantasy land. What happens when you move (from an identity) that has all these tools (social privileges) and has to come too terms with others? Often times other that are at least treated as different or lesser. How do you go from the (traditional) pursuer to the pursued? Is it a downgrade, or just something different. Can you make peace with it? Should you have to? What do these things say about that distant land (the other gender and what it means to be a woman/man) and about us? Do they make a home in their new land (on the other side of the gender divide) or do they find a way to travel back. They let you explore (the authors perception) of norms the same way a fantasy story lets you explore any other alien world.

There's a reason why The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe had normal children from earth as the protagonists, even as they moved somewhere fantastic. It gave a great starting point where you knew that then traveled to this other land. In this sense it makes sense why stories exploring these themes don't have a lot of focus on dysphoria - because gender is a place in a narrative sense. The character has traveled from a place where they're a (wo)man to a place where they're the opposite, and events explore how they deal with the changed circumstances.

The second hook is more basic, in that identity and questions about identity are powerful, and make powerful narrative devices. Like, there's a reason mythology is filled with it, it raises interesting questions. What are you? If I change this, are you still you? What about that? What is what and who is what when. That's not limited to gender, but gender has so much baggage it's inherently an attractive transformation to use and explore. There's a reason why 'identity death' is a tag that shows up in fiction, because people like investigating the margins, even if we can't all agree on the line. It's the same question that gets invited by uploads and infomorphs, brainwashing, or just coming back to meet a character after not seeing them for years. Masks and personas will forever be some of the strongest symbols in fiction, as is becoming the mask or persona, or having them imposed whether by realistic or fantastic means.




Lastly, there's one last 'hook' that does need to be mentioned, which really isn't like either of the above and does directly tie into the OPs question.

It's that anything having to do with sex (in physiological sense) invites thoughts of sex (in the activity sense). Erotica and porn are... pretty much constant companions for humans. I'm not going to make a bunch of moral statements here. This is probably the space that invites a great deal of uncomfortable feelings, because lots of erotica does have exploitative or disturbing subtexts. So... yeah, it's also here. Not going to make a big statement or argument a lot of arguments about it. If you write erotica, and you decide to use a gender bender element, please try not to be creepy? But really 'don't be creepy' is a general statement plea to erotica, so... yeah.
 
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@Subrosian_Smithy Do you know any stories that use the nominal concept of Ranma 1/2? I knew of a webcomic with a similar concept, but reading stuff is faster and most of the time a better story.
 
My impression is that the "problematic" and "unrealistic" part of a lot of classic gender-change stories is they effectively assume the changed person is cis-by-default; the changed person may feel good or neutral about the change, or may have complex feelings about it, or they may be distressed by it for cultural reasons, but they don't seem to experience visceral gender dysphoria. I'm not sure this is actually unrealistic though. I strongly suspect that cis-by-default is a real thing (not least because I suspect it's what I am), and if it is a real thing we don't know how common it is. Trans people are self-selected for strong feelings about what gender they want to be and what gendered features they want their bodies to have; they're very possibly an unrepresentative group in ways besides the obvious one. The psychology of gender feels is complex and poorly understood. Given the unknowns involved, I think a writer can reasonably exercise a fair amount of freedom in how they write this sort of gender-bend scenario.
 
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Personally, I like gender-bending because it is something that necessarily demolishes the gender-binary, even if said gender-bending is problematic. As a cis-het individual, for the most part, I still find the idea of switching genders, especially at will, fascinating and beautiful. The reason is that I feel that I can engage with my femininity free of the social constraints of gender-normativity. I've found throughout the years that there are elements of normative masculinity and femininity that I like both, even as I identify with being a cishet male-- frankly, I just find that the gender normative expectations of the modern world constrain people. In fact, I imagine that gender is a spectrum, not a binary, and that the total number of people who would engage with non-normative gender performance (not sure if that's the right word) is much higher than is imagined by society. Of course, gender-identity is distinct from the ways one performs: one can be a butch girl or a femme boy, after all. The point I'm making is that what the gender-binary does is entrap people within two mutually exclusive worlds, and disallows the complex and wide-reaching overlap, which does exist, from being expressed.


As for writing gender-bending fiction, I find that it's important for writers to at least do their research so not to alienate trans-people by trivializing or misrepresenting gender dysphoria.


Do note that I haven't read queer theory nor lgbt studies, so I apologize in advance if I misrepresented anything.
 
My impression is that the "problematic" and "unrealistic" part of a lot of classic gender-change stories is they effectively assume the changed person is cis-by-default; the changed person may feel good or neutral about the change, or may have complex feelings about it, or they may be distressed by it for cultural reasons, but they don't seem to experience visceral gender dysphoria. I'm not sure this is actually unrealistic though. I strongly suspect that cis-by-default is a real thing (not least because I suspect it's what I am), and if it is a real thing we don't know how common it is. Trans people are self-selected for strong feelings about what gender they want to be and what gendered features they want their bodies to have; they're very possibly an unrepresentative group in ways besides the obvious one. The psychology of gender feels is complex and poorly understood. Given the unknowns involved, I think a writer can reasonably exercise a fair amount of freedom in how they write this sort of gender-bend scenario.
To be fair, a lot of fictional stories, both with and without fantastic elements, effectively assume that some or all of the characters have mental traits not everyone has.

A lot of "hero's journey" stories assume that the young character who grew up in a 'small' backdrop of some village has not only the physical aptitude to become a warrior or leader, but the mental aptitude, which is rather rare.

Lots of people in real life would completely melt down if asked to command an army, or even to play a role in commanding an army with lots of experienced advisors. Lots of people would become psychologically burnt-out husks from fighting orcs a few times, not get used to it and become the heroic warrior-prince(ss) who saves the kingdom.

Lots of roguish 'gutter' people in real life have deeply screwed up personalities that make it hard for them to function away from the gutter, but that doesn't mean fictional protagonists do.

Lots of scientists and engineers who discover some unique, marvelous technology would maybe get a royalties check bout would NOT then somehow parlay that knowledge into a superhero costume or their own spaceship or a world-revolutionizing breakthrough that changes civilization forever... even if the technology was impressive enough to make it possible. But in fiction, well, you get the idea.

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Of necessity, the desire to tell a story entails having characters who are psychologically capable of doing whatever happens in the story. Sometimes this is a major flaw in the story itself, in that it requires characters to behave in psychologically impossible ways. In other cases, it just means that you have to focus on protagonists who are in one way or another not a representative sample of the population.

People who, if magically zapped with a "gender-bender ray" or what have you, would react with something other than shock and dysphoria, are probably not all that common in real life. But sometimes, that's the story you need to tell, and that's the kind of person you focus on.
 
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