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- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
[X] Keep the Seed and try to make up with Char
Nagisa is good, so...
Nagisa is good, so...
In the Name of Love and Hatred! [PMMM / LoR]
- Thread starter Naron
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Earth
I did consider this, but am not going to do so. Mainly because I do not want to disclose information to the players they would not otherwise have. Chief of which is the private thoughts and state of mind of whoever the PoV character would be.
thePUNisher
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Lane
- Location
- Brazil
That's a fair enough reason, sometimes people can get a little too metagamey when given OOC info.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
I'm not convinced the bomb came from Homura. I mean, look at this.
I expect whoever gave Ai that bomb also gave Madoka that ticket. Someone is playing dangerous games here.
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
Still, it's good to confirm suspicions rather then simply assuming there rightness.
Now in the Anime yes, she did fight and blow up Charlotte. But she usually made her presence known, and she always checked up on Madoka. I don't believe for an instant she wouldn't have checked on her after The Express Train to Hell showed up like that. And she wouldn't have given Ai that bomb, she would've just hit Charlotte.
I expect whoever gave Ai that bomb also gave Madoka that ticket. Someone is playing dangerous games here.
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
Still, it's good to confirm suspicions rather then simply assuming there rightness.
- Location
- Quebec
That very fair, the only way i could see ai knowing how it when would be one of the girls telling her, thus getting a flashback
DvulikiuGolod
You are gold, I am gold... Are we all gold?
You know that Madoka Madoka looks like a QoH?
1. Both gave everything to protect the world.
2. Both eventually become monsters.
3. Both are willing to die to protect the others.
Only medoka has a stalker who goes back in time to save her. And QoH has favorite(?) agents who will help her(?).
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
1. Both gave everything to protect the world.
2. Both eventually become monsters.
3. Both are willing to die to protect the others.
Only medoka has a stalker who goes back in time to save her. And QoH has favorite(?) agents who will help her(?).
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
- Location
- earth
[X] Keep the Seed and try to make up with Char
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
"Explosive surprise" does make me think of Laetitia, bit there aren't enough eye spiders for that
...
Yet
Anyway, given the assumption is Homura, seems fair to repay the perceived favor.
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
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InfiniteDaze
Too lazy to leave the house
- Location
- I wish I could stay
I saw this, thought about why, and ended up spending all day making this.
I call it Wadoka. Clearly Express knows all those bound for hell. Choo Choo Vroom Vroom into the inferno.
- Location
- Germany
So I kinda ended up rambling a bit, given that vote structuring is something I have spend some time thinking about, anyone that doesn't actually care is free to ignore the spoiled content.
See, bandwagons aren't defined by getting votes, they're defined by getting more votes relative to the other options, so if you vote for everything, you might help the vote being bandwagoned, but you're still dampening the bandwagon effect itself. As somewhat of an exaggerated example: if option A has 15 votes and option B has 13 votes, you wouldn't call option A a bandwagon and people might still vote for option B thinking that it has a shot at victory. In contrast, if A still has 15 votes, but B only got 3 votes, you absolutely have a bandwagon and the same people might not bother to vote for B due to thinking that doing so equals wasting their vote.
Like, the problem with bandwagons isn't popular votes winning. The problem is the public voting influencing people into giving up on a vote they might have otherwise preferred due to seeing something good enough getting a significant lead.
And now that I started kinda digging into vote structures anyway, there's an argument to be had how much the last chapter was anti-voting the Queen and how much was just the knock on effect of awkward set distribution amongst the votes. It's not like we had four wildly different options like "Fight as Ai. Fight as the Queen. Run away. Offer Sayaka as a peace offering." We had "Fight as the Queen" and three different variations of "Fight as Ai." So if all three of them are in the same category, why is wanting that category, but not caring for the specific sub-division within that category not a valid voting prefference and necessarily seen as anti-voting the other category?
The same pretty much happened this chapter, just without an option as polarizing as going Queen. There's two different decisons here, do we want to revive Char and who do we give the seed to. Yet, only one side of the revive split has to make the decision on who to give the seed to now, while the other is allowed to put that decision off until after this vote. So why is "I just want to revive Char and don't care which magical girl we make a deal with to do so" a valid take, but "I don't want to try again with Char after how much of a mess this first meeting was and don't care which magical girl we gift her to" isn't and needs to be split into sub-option, while artifically creating it by voting for both giving it to Kyoko and giving it to Homura would be considered anti-voting the option to try again with Char?
Meanwhile, if your preffered option is "I like the dynamic between Ai and Kyoko, so I just want to give Kyoko another seed, but don't have a strong prefference on keeping Char around herself afterwards" you're also kinda out of luck. That's my position by the way. So yeah, the Homura bandwagon means that the option to give the seed to Kyoko is dead on arrival, so I guess my best bet is to vote for reviving Char and seeing if the different context reshuffels the votes to be less in favour of Homura. (Likewise, how many people voting to give the seed to Homura actually want to give it away for free and how many just clicked the Homura option, because Homura?)
Like, the problem with bandwagons isn't popular votes winning. The problem is the public voting influencing people into giving up on a vote they might have otherwise preferred due to seeing something good enough getting a significant lead.
And now that I started kinda digging into vote structures anyway, there's an argument to be had how much the last chapter was anti-voting the Queen and how much was just the knock on effect of awkward set distribution amongst the votes. It's not like we had four wildly different options like "Fight as Ai. Fight as the Queen. Run away. Offer Sayaka as a peace offering." We had "Fight as the Queen" and three different variations of "Fight as Ai." So if all three of them are in the same category, why is wanting that category, but not caring for the specific sub-division within that category not a valid voting prefference and necessarily seen as anti-voting the other category?
The same pretty much happened this chapter, just without an option as polarizing as going Queen. There's two different decisons here, do we want to revive Char and who do we give the seed to. Yet, only one side of the revive split has to make the decision on who to give the seed to now, while the other is allowed to put that decision off until after this vote. So why is "I just want to revive Char and don't care which magical girl we make a deal with to do so" a valid take, but "I don't want to try again with Char after how much of a mess this first meeting was and don't care which magical girl we gift her to" isn't and needs to be split into sub-option, while artifically creating it by voting for both giving it to Kyoko and giving it to Homura would be considered anti-voting the option to try again with Char?
Meanwhile, if your preffered option is "I like the dynamic between Ai and Kyoko, so I just want to give Kyoko another seed, but don't have a strong prefference on keeping Char around herself afterwards" you're also kinda out of luck. That's my position by the way. So yeah, the Homura bandwagon means that the option to give the seed to Kyoko is dead on arrival, so I guess my best bet is to vote for reviving Char and seeing if the different context reshuffels the votes to be less in favour of Homura. (Likewise, how many people voting to give the seed to Homura actually want to give it away for free and how many just clicked the Homura option, because Homura?)
- Location
- Attached to a wall
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- She/Her
[X] It was probably Homura who helped you out; give the Seed to her as a token of appreciation
- Location
- Earth
You make some good points there. I will have to examine the vote options some more in the future.
At the same time, something I thought but did not say so far is that anti-voting is... easy? As in, there is no choice involved, and no consideration. You just vote everything else and call it a day. Bandwagoning is similar, certainly, but to a lesser degree in my opinion. Without anti-voting being allowed, people who do not want option X need to consolidate if X actually stands a chance of winning, instead of blindly voting everything.
Which is the part I was talking about in my last post, if a majority appear and then someone vote for something others don't want and they do anti-votes for *everything but what I don't want* it doesn't change the result from having a bandwagon, and they do tend to do this because the strong reaction that cause anti-votes doesn't help in thinking *well, the vote I want might win, so I'm gonna vote only for it since the vote I don't want is already a minority*, instead they think *I don't want this vote to win so I'll make sure of it by voting everything else*. It doesn't help that people can easily see that the vote they want is losing and decide *well, I don't want this so I'll vote for the current winner to make sure that the vote I don't want win* which increase the majority and since people who votes for everything don't change that this continue for those who don't even when the controversial option is very much losing which can end up with a majority that please no one since quite a lot of those who voted for it didn't want it.
And there were some pretty clear anti-votes in the vote discussed, some peoples explicitly voted for *everything but this*.
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At the end of the day, the important part is how it influence this quest. While approval voting can and does mostly works for quite a lot of quests, this quest use weighted votes which IMO makes it a bad idea, the vote for kaiju battle was already in a disadvantage due to needing 1/4th more vote than most others and really didn't need to have people vote for all the others in addition to this.
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[X] Keep the Seed and try to make up with Char
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You need an X between the brackets for your vote to count.