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In a Cultivation World with a Cheat System (Xianxia inspired quest).

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Leingod said:
If you aren't aware, this is Tui and La ("Push and Pull"), the Spirits of the Ocean and Moon, from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

... *Pulls up Taoist Costco Order Form*
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I really like what you did with them. Mind if I add some additional consequences to messing with them?
Leingod said:
Well if we do end up with a Stone Monkey, I want it known now that I'm voting for this version:

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Probably a bit furrier and somehow even dumber but that's about what I was imagining too.
 
@Kolarthecool Question! A lot of the manuals in the shop have been given a range in their ranking, rather than a simple classification. Does that signify that there's a certain "range" in which they work best and below or after that point you're better off switching to something different, or does it signify a variance in its effectiveness based on other factors, like your own suitability for it or ability to get the required resources?
 
The Froggy Ninja said:
Well yeah but if you'll also remember, Sun Wukong is pretty easy to deal with as long as you aren't a pacifist and don't look down on him. Other than that it's mostly just eating things he shouldn't be eating and making himself even more immortal than he already was which is mostly good if he's on our side.
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Actually he was absolutely maddening to deal with until he learned restraint over the course of the journey. He has zero regards for social norms and structure, flouting them on the slightest impulse and poking at dangerous things without a care.
 
veekie said:
Actually he was absolutely maddening to deal with until he learned restraint over the course of the journey. He has zero regards for social norms and structure, flouting them on the slightest impulse and poking at dangerous things without a care.
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Which is why I argue that in some ways he's the archetype for a good 80% of xianxia protagonists.
 
Leingod said:
@Kolarthecool Question! A lot of the manuals in the shop have been given a range in their ranking, rather than a simple classification. Does that signify that there's a certain "range" in which they work best and below or after that point you're better off switching to something different, or does it signify a variance in its effectiveness based on other factors, like your own suitability for it or ability to get the required resources?
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I've talked to him about this in my authority as shop moderator and yeah, it's basically the minimum level required to use it and the maximum level where it's still efficient.
veekie said:
Actually he was absolutely maddening to deal with until he learned restraint over the course of the journey. He has zero regards for social norms and structure, flouting them on the slightest impulse and poking at dangerous things without a care.
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I mean mostly what he did was try to steal shineys and kill people that bothered him. That's pretty normal cultivator behavior and since we're not buddhist we don't actually care about him killing people that get in our way as long as they aren't powerful enough to pose a threat, which, given his level of power even before he gets training in actual cultivation, is pretty unlikely until we move two or three iterations of "bigger pond" up. The only reason he was a problem for Tang Sanzang was because Sanzang was squishier than him and was bothered by the fact that he killed and stole from jackasses.
 
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The Froggy Ninja said:
I've talked to him about this in my authority as shop moderator and yeah, it's basically the minimum level required to use it and the maximum level where it's still efficient.
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Wouldn't that make it inefficient to use a manual whose minimum is High Mortal at Low Mortal?

The Froggy Ninja said:
I mean mostly what he did was try to steal shineys and kill people that bothered him. That's pretty normal cultivator behavior and since we're not buddhist we don't actually care about him killing people that get in our way as long as they aren't powerful enough to pose a threat
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There are enough egotistical sociopaths in this genre that I don't particularly feel interested in roleplaying one. Killing avowed mortal enemies and taking their stuff is one thing, throwing Heaven and Earth into turmoil every time someone doesn't feel like kowtowing to our bloated ego and calling us by some made-up title we gave ourselves or tries to force us to accept the consequences of our own selfish, thoughtless assholery (which is basically Sun Wukong's entire backstory when you get down to it) is another.
 
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Hey The Froggy Ninja as the store suggestion admin I have a question. Would a melee fighting style that doesn't actually cultivate and can be used alongside any cultivation technique count as a manual or a technique? Also I have a similar question in regards to where a manual on training from advanced cultivators would go.
 
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Leingod said:
Wouldn't that make it inefficient to use a manual whose minimum is High Mortal at Low Mortal?
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Not really? From what I understand the ranking within a realm is more about quality rather than power level. So everything from first to lower second realms are under the purview of any quality of Mortal.
Leingod said:
There are enough egotistical sociopaths in this genre that I don't particularly feel interested in roleplaying one. Killing avowed mortal enemies and taking their stuff is one thing, throwing Heaven and Earth into turmoil every time someone doesn't feel like kowtowing to our bloated ego and calling us by some made-up title we gave ourselves or tries to force us to accept the consequences of our own selfish, thoughtless assholery (which is basically Sun Wukong's entire backstory when you get down to it) is another.
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It's not really about being an egotistical sociopath. Sun Wukong mostly flipped out on bandits, demons and people that made his official rank effectively "bottom bitch" while pretending to be nice to him. AKA, the kind of person that would piss of SV anyway. Sun Wukong is effectively a metaphor for human nature, ie: nice to people who are nice to him but not fond of being shat upon and prone to impulse control issues.
Sir LagsAlot said:
Hey @The Froggy Ninja as the store suggestion admin I have a question. Would a melee fighting style that doesn't actually cultivate and can be used alongside any cultivation technique count as a manual or a technique?
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Probably a technique. We might want to add an Art category for that though. Not really my purview.
 
The Froggy Ninja said:
Not really? From what I understand the ranking within a realm is more about quality rather than power level. So everything from first to lower second realms are under the purview of any quality of Mortal.
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So then what's the difference between, say, one that's ranked "Low Mortal to Low Earth" and "High Mortal to Low Earth"?
 
Leingod said:
So then what's the difference between, say, one that's ranked "Low Mortal to Low Earth" and "High Mortal to Low Earth"?
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Probably that it's better than most manuals Mortal realm cultivators can use but kind of mediocre once you get to Earth realm stuff. Or it could be related to how technically both the hight of Mortal and bottom of Earth are second dan cultivators. I only had a little say in the design of the system and suggested that he rank them by quality and then have either a second column or just in the same as the rank have a range of dans where it was useful.
 
@Leingod Pretty much like Froggy says. The range is the point where the Cultivator can start learning it, to the point where it starts losing effectiveness or can be fully mastered.

If something starts in the Low to High Mortal range, then the cultivator can start using it right away. The Earth range means they have to be in the Second cultivation realm (at least) before they can start using it. And so on.

As for the latter rank, this depends on the manual's description. It can mean that this is where the cultivator needs to be to be able to pull off the Full Mastery effects. It can also represent the limit of the manual as using it past that point is not much better than switching to a higher ranked one. It all depends on the manual in question.

Some are certainly better yes, but not overwhelmingly so. If a manual only works within a short range, that just makes it easier to master before picking up another one (usually a more advanced version as is the case with Lesser Universal Body). There's not much loss between using a bunch of these types and sticking to one that has a longer range.

Leingod said:
So then what's the difference between, say, one that's ranked "Low Mortal to Low Earth" and "High Mortal to Low Earth"?
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The difference in the Mortal tiers isn't as important as it would before for the higher ranks. Low Mortal means it's easier to use and pretty much anyone can pick it up. High Mortal requires more talent and some degree of cultivation preperation. This is important for others if you want to hand out the manual but not so much for the MC. If a manual is in the Mortal rank, the MC can use it off the bat with no issues.

It's only when he gets to Earth rank and higher that the tiers will matter (for cultivation manuals, they already matter for techniques).
 
You know, it's been speculated that the myth of the qilin (sometimes called the "Chinese unicorn") in China arose due to a cultural memory of the extinct Elasmotherium, a one-horned rhinoceros the size of a woolly mammoth that lived in the area until about 20,000 years ago.



Looks like it'd be right at home in a xianxia world. So hey, if anyone wants to make some more spirit beasts for us to hunt/buy/whatever, keep in mind that it doesn't all need to be from (conventional) Chinese myth or typical fantasy stock. Doll up some extinct megafauna and they'll work just as well.;)
 
Hey, would items or traits that that gave passive point gain, or a % boost to it be allowed?
 
Card Captor said:
Hey, would items or traits that that gave passive point gain, or a % boost to it be allowed?
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I assume you mean a passive increase to a stat or xp gain? If so then yes they would but there would be limits. Like, the item only works around a set cultivation level and will be completely ineffective if you're stronger than that stage, or it has some debilitating side effect that you'll need to overcome. It's not an rpg world after all.
 
I think we should save up and buy the Immortal Sage Awakening manual soon so as to augment our physical cultivation with mental and mystical stuff. Then, when we get to the the fourth dan of our cultivation methods we can get Path of Enlightenment and Greater Universal Body.
 
Kolarthecool said:
I assume you mean a passive increase to a stat or xp gain? If so then yes they would but there would be limits. Like, the item only works around a set cultivation level and will be completely ineffective if you're stronger than that stage, or it has some debilitating side effect that you'll need to overcome. It's not an rpg world after all.
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Actually no, I meant the points we use buy stuff in the shop.
 
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