Nah, shave the dog now. Jade does righteous anger really well in the moment, and it doesn't look like Kal'enel will mind.
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[X] You're already here and you can always lecture Sigurd later. For now, you might as well just save everyone some time and ask your questions.
-[X] Could she point you toward a suitable mage-Gift? You'd like to do something similar to what Sylvester did for your family, only not half as extreme.
-[X] Did she know Sylvester or is She just doing a seer-knowledge thing?
-[X] How did Sigurd bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[X] Could she point you toward a suitable mage-Gift? You'd like to do something similar to what Sylvester did for your family, only not half as extreme.
-[X] Did she know Sylvester or is She just doing a seer-knowledge thing?
-[X] How did Sigurd bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I like the following:
[] You're already here and you can always lecture Sigurd later. For now, you might as well just save everyone some time and ask your questions.
-[] Could she point you toward a suitable mage-Gift? You'd like to do something similar to what Sylvester did for your family, only not half as extreme.
-[] Did she know Sylvester or is She just doing a seer-knowledge thing?
-[] How did Sigurd bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[] Any tips on establishing a religious framework for your followers so they don't go fanatic the decade you take your eyes of them?
But I'm torn, because I also like the idea of bursting into flames and screaming at Sigurd.
Though, uh.
Grass fires could be a problem? We don't want to start grass fires.
Can we arrange for the entire area to be massively doused in water, especially including Sigurd, before we burst into angry flames?
[] You're already here and you can always lecture Sigurd later. For now, you might as well just save everyone some time and ask your questions.
-[] Could she point you toward a suitable mage-Gift? You'd like to do something similar to what Sylvester did for your family, only not half as extreme.
-[] Did she know Sylvester or is She just doing a seer-knowledge thing?
-[] How did Sigurd bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[] Any tips on establishing a religious framework for your followers so they don't go fanatic the decade you take your eyes of them?
But I'm torn, because I also like the idea of bursting into flames and screaming at Sigurd.
Though, uh.
Grass fires could be a problem? We don't want to start grass fires.
Can we arrange for the entire area to be massively doused in water, especially including Sigurd, before we burst into angry flames?
I was afraid of that taking a lot of time.
Meh, I'm pretty sure if she really wanted to look otherwise she could have done so so it doesn't really matter.
(the same thinking on why gods in other media can look like small childs in other media/planes)
Knows of Sylverster? Interesting
I like the idea but I dislike the wording, it's a bit pretentious ("If it's Ok with you, could I ask my questions now?" instead of just asking them, no need to antagonize her)
I know nothing about the setting, but everywhere else the Crone very much is associated wisdom and secret knowledge accumulated over a liftetime. The Maiden is really more youthful ignorance.
Pretty sure we can just contain and/or extinguish any fire at-will with Control and Conversion.
[X] Immediately return so you can chew out Sigurd.
-[X] Well, you wouldn't want to be rude to the Goddess by just turning around again and leaving, but if it's alright?
-[X] That was REALLY not OK. Even if there are constraints on what he can tell you about, would it have killed him to say "Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird"?
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Not so much from what I see, as Jade got creepied by Kal'enel's appearance immediately afterwards.
We don't have to burst into flames. In fact, last time we Jadedozered we purposely kept that from happening. That said, I'm debating between Jadedozer and Jade disappointed, and I think the best approach is probably Jade disappointed. Like, I don't mind the times Jade went all righteous anger, but looking at the results I felt more comfortable and less cringe at, say, carefully lecturing Sidhe on how disappointed we were, or having the stop bullying me talk with Agneyasta. Compared to exploding on Mitra/Agneyastra, which worked but didn't provide the catharsis it could have.
But I definitely think we should go back immediately. Time is still passing, and I'd rather reassure the people worried about us than have a conversation with some random. They're more important.
Also, I mean, when an actual goddess offers to send you back to chastise someone...
But I definitely think we should go back immediately. Time is still passing, and I'd rather reassure the people worried about us than have a conversation with some random. They're more important.
Also, I mean, when an actual goddess offers to send you back to chastise someone...
Fair enough. And yes, I'm more worried about Agneyastra's reaction right now: last time we had something like that happening it was ok because we told everybody Neph was taking over but this time it's time-sensitive.
Odd as it is, I want to return to return and chew/lecture Sigurd while asking what he did, and then have him immediately send us again to talk with Kal'enel (as long as what he did isn't something dangerous)
Odd as it is, I want to return to return and chew/lecture Sigurd while asking what he did, and then have him immediately send us again to talk with Kal'enel (as long as what he did isn't something dangerous)
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- Mid-Atlantic
"Sigurd the goddess you sent me to see agrees that that was very rude."
Also, Jade is waaay more experienced with settings that are heavily anime-influenced where almost all immortals default to youthful, especially the women.
- Location
- California
[X] Immediately return so you can chew out Sigurd.
-[X] That was REALLY not OK. Even if there are constraints on what he can tell you about, would it have killed him to say "Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird"?
-[X] With fire.
Kal'enel offered us the option, and seemed amused by the idea of us popping back up to beat the Companion about the head and shoulders immediately. I say double check that she's really cool with it, "If you wouldn't mind then I'd like to settle things with the soon to be roasted Kyree."
That and I'd like to point out to the local spirit that we are in fact a goddling, not some chosen that can be lead around by the nose. In addition to an obvious gap in our defenses, which Sigurd just stabbed us in what ever the intentions, there's also a significant amount of disrespect involved in what Sigurd just did. I can't see the having not sunk his stock with Mom and the rest of our companions. It should have sunken with us as well. We're just barely comfortable with the mind mage we trust helping us practice. Sigurd is not trusted, and this is not practice. There should be a response equal to our history with this sort of thing. If we're very (un?)lucky if we delay we'll wake up to Nanoha attempting to 'befriend' him.
Seriously, given how she tends to deal with people fucking with her friends, never mind somebody she's trying and finally making progress with having a romantic relationship with, the White Devil is probably getting ready to try and make her own mini cataclysm. With mom's enthusiastic encouragement no doubt.
-[X] That was REALLY not OK. Even if there are constraints on what he can tell you about, would it have killed him to say "Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird"?
-[X] With fire.
Kal'enel offered us the option, and seemed amused by the idea of us popping back up to beat the Companion about the head and shoulders immediately. I say double check that she's really cool with it, "If you wouldn't mind then I'd like to settle things with the soon to be roasted Kyree."
That and I'd like to point out to the local spirit that we are in fact a goddling, not some chosen that can be lead around by the nose. In addition to an obvious gap in our defenses, which Sigurd just stabbed us in what ever the intentions, there's also a significant amount of disrespect involved in what Sigurd just did. I can't see the having not sunk his stock with Mom and the rest of our companions. It should have sunken with us as well. We're just barely comfortable with the mind mage we trust helping us practice. Sigurd is not trusted, and this is not practice. There should be a response equal to our history with this sort of thing. If we're very (un?)lucky if we delay we'll wake up to Nanoha attempting to 'befriend' him.
Seriously, given how she tends to deal with people fucking with her friends, never mind somebody she's trying and finally making progress with having a romantic relationship with, the White Devil is probably getting ready to try and make her own mini cataclysm. With mom's enthusiastic encouragement no doubt.
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- Location
- Germany
There's several other parts of the update I'd like to discuss, but to me, the most important question is:
[X] Is Sidhe winning?
One more person shouting at him isn't going to make the difference between genuine remorse and just faking it. He either already understood the error of his ways, or he'll merely factor in the backlash into future "perfect plans".
However, he seems to value his secrets, especially since he's still connected to the Web. Suffering a mental attack himself might show him why his actions were unacceptable.
And while I normally wouldn't favour the chances of a novice mind-mage against an experienced extraplanar, the Blue earrings plus Blue channeling might allow her to actually succeed.
Yoink.
[X] Agree so be sent back for the time being, you're worried about everyone's reactions
-[X] Arrange with Kal'enel to talk again later
[X] Chew out Sigurd
-[X] Sigurd, the goddess you sent me to see agrees that that was very rude. Even if there are constraints on what he can tell you about, would it have killed him to say "Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird"?
-[X] Ask him to explain what he did, and if you don't find anything objectionable ask him to send you to Kal'enel again
Less rage, more focused anger
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*The gang meet yet another 600 year old vampire girl*Also, Jade is waaay more experienced with settings that are heavily anime-influenced where almost all immortals default to youthful, especially the women.
Sidhe: Honestly, at this point it's both statistically improbable and counterproductive.
Yet another 600 year old vampire girl: and having to look ugly? Please no
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@Alivaril Can we assume the rest of the party was telepathically debriefed on Jade's scouting trip during the flight over?
*whistles* That is a nice land. If Kal'enel is trying to tempt me with the shinies, it's working.
I wonder, is this some kind of preexisting meeting point she set up with Sylvester, or did she conjure some thematically appropriate astral land on the spot? Kal'enel very much seems like a White deity, so a meeting point between her and Red Planeswalker would be White-Red.
EDIT: Could just be her personal realm, come to think of it. She clearly has a strong association with White, but the warmth of the Shin'a'in culture suggests a strong appreciation for emotion, too.
Actually, the Crone makes perfect sense. She's associated with death, but only because of her role as a guide—she guides the wayward souls of her followers to their resting place in the afterlife. She's also associated with magic and knowledge, specifically the keeping and seeking of it. Given that we're here looking to be pointed towards an unused mage-gift...
But yeah, interesting that she knows of Sylvester. From Kal'enel's phrasing, it sounds like she met him personally. I guess like us, he may have also thought it was a good idea to associate with the 'good' deities on Velgarth—the Treaty bans warfare between Gods, so there would have been little risk in doing so. Might as well pass on critical information, like never to mess with Devoid ever, right? Makes me wonder if he approached some of the nicer Earthland deities, too.
Heh. As amusing as this suggestion is, we really should hop back out to reassure the rest of the party that Sigurd didn't just initiate a mental attack. Err, a malicious mental attack.
From their perspective, this looks a lot like Sigurd stabbed Jade in the back the instant she entered the domain of his goddess. Agneyastra may be one step away from making an earnest attempt at turning the Dhorisha Plains into an even bigger Crater.
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- A single human dimension
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- She/Her
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- Deep inside the sand
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- He/Him/His
Is this Sidhe?
I think we should let Sidhe get more practice against Sigurd. Not to mention let Sigurd be absolutely demolished by everyone. Why you say? Its because its amusing.
[X] You're already here and you can always lecture Sigurd later. For now, you might as well just save everyone some time and ask your questions... If it doesn't bring harm to us here.
-[X] Could she point you toward a suitable mage-Gift? You'd like to do something similar to what Sylvester did for your family, only not half as extreme.
-[X] How did Sigurd bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[X] Ask her subtly her intentions/feelings regarding us (not sure how to phrase this but this feels kinda important).
We already are here so we can ask her some questions, as long as there aren't any repercussions for staying a bit longer.
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Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
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- Walking the Endless Corridors
[X] Immediately return so you can chew out Sigurd.
-[X] That was REALLY not OK. Even if there are constraints on what he can tell you about, would it have killed him to say "Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird"?
-[X] With fire.
The last thing I want is for this lesson not to stick. That shit was unacceptable.
-[X] That was REALLY not OK. Even if there are constraints on what he can tell you about, would it have killed him to say "Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird"?
-[X] With fire.
The last thing I want is for this lesson not to stick. That shit was unacceptable.
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- A Table Near You
No need to go overboard. Disappointment works well enough, especially when backed up by one of his patron goddesses. 
[X] Agree so be sent back for the time being, you're worried about everyone's reactions
[X] Give Sigurd your best look of 'mild disapproval tinged with disappointment.'
-[X] "Sigurd, even the goddess you sent me to see agrees that that was very rude. Even if there are constraints on what you can tell about, would it have killed you to say 'Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird' and ask for permission?"
-[X] How did he bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[X] Ask him to explain what he did, and if you don't find anything objectionable ask him to send you to Kal'enel again
[X] Agree so be sent back for the time being, you're worried about everyone's reactions
[X] Give Sigurd your best look of 'mild disapproval tinged with disappointment.'
-[X] "Sigurd, even the goddess you sent me to see agrees that that was very rude. Even if there are constraints on what you can tell about, would it have killed you to say 'Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird' and ask for permission?"
-[X] How did he bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[X] Ask him to explain what he did, and if you don't find anything objectionable ask him to send you to Kal'enel again
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[x] Sapient_Ham
Suddenly switches to third person.
Would you mind also asking him how he got past the mind shields and how to defend against it?
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- A Table Near You
Edited with Filraen's phrasing below, plus an explicit mention about how he bypassed the mind shields. Is that better?
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I blame @Simon_Jester
Rewording, and explicitly added "ask for permission"
[X] Agree so be sent back for the time being, you're worried about everyone's reactions
-[X] Arrange with Kal'enel to talk again later
[X] Chew out Sigurd
-[X] "Sigurd, even the goddess you sent me to see agrees that that was very rude. Even if there are constraints on what you can tell about, would it have killed you to say 'Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird' and ask for permission?"
-[X] Ask him to explain what he did, and if you don't find anything objectionable ask him to send you to Kal'enel again
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
Normally, yes. The Star-Eyed is a bit...different. I suppose she could theoretically take other shapes, but she generally takes one of four Aspects, based on the situation or the person interacting with her: Maiden, Mother, Crone or Warrior, who is basically the Aspect of the Kal'enedral. So, she's a typical triune Goddess with a fourth face.
Thing is, Kal'enel used to only have two Aspects, until her Twin died in the Cataclysm, and she took over her sister's duties, according to Siggy. Which is a neat way of resolving her murky past and associations, so kudos to Alivaril. The Twins' Aspects were Healer and Fighter (Kal'enel's roles) and Crafter and Hunter (her sisters' roles). From what I can recall and infer, Hunter became Crone, Healer became Mother, Crafter became Maiden, and Fighter became Warrior. That's my best guess, anyway, as I vaguely recall the Priestesses of the Crone being rather...fierce, and the Priestesses of the Mother being healers.
To be fair...that was the sort of form Vykandis took, the one time I recall we that saw him on the mortal plane. He had other reasons for that, though. It's a bit of a long story. Plus, he's vaguely Apollo inspired, so it fits.Also, Jade is waaay more experienced with settings that are heavily anime-influenced where almost all immortals default to youthful, especially the women.
The Moonpaths are not entirely safe...but they are mostly safe to follow. Not that we need to, really, since Kal'enel is fine with coming to us.
It does indeed seem to be her personal realm. The only other people I know of who've ever visited the Moonpaths, which these most certainly are, are her shamans (or potential shamans), her spirits and Avatars, and her Swordsworn.
See: prior discussion of the Aspects and the Twins. And yes, it certainly seems like Sylvester would probably have spread important information to those who he can trust, and who need it.
Also, as a point of data...this may be less mind magic, and more soul magic...which doesn't make it better, I know. This is the "Spirit Realm", after all, and the shaman we saw visit the Moonpaths called it "soulwalking", or something like that, I believe. Visiting typically involves meditation, and either being a Swordsworn, or a shaman and it being the night of the full moon. How in the hell Sigurd managed to send us here, I'm not entirely sure. Not something any canon Companion pulled off, as far as I know. But then, I don't think they ever had a reason to. So...
It oddly resembled what usually happens when a Herald first locks eyes with their Companion, too. What significance that has, I have no idea. E: The Star-Eyed's eyes have been compared to those of Companions before, though.
[X] Agree so be sent back for the time being, you're worried about everyone's reactions
[X] Give Sigurd your best look of 'mild disapproval tinged with disappointment.'
-[X] "Sigurd, even the goddess you sent me to see agrees that that was very rude. Even if there are constraints on what you can tell about, would it have killed you to say 'Hey, I can speed things up, but it might be a little weird' and ask for permission?"
-[X] How did he bypass your shields like that? Vulnerability to freaky hypnotic eye-powers seems like a pretty big security problem.
-[X] Ask him to explain what he did, and if you don't find anything objectionable ask him to send you to Kal'enel again
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
though there might have been things on jades' side that helped, like not having to worry about her getting stuck in one of the inbetween planes or being destroyed by stray extradimensional energy.