I/P in N&P

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I'm not certain, but there appears to be an explicit or de-facto ban on discussing Israel-Palestine conflict topics in N&P.

If so, maybe there should be a sticky or a banner in N&P as a whole stating that fact, rather than just per-thread statements?

In case anyone missed the memo, or wants clarification.

... or maybe there is one, and I just missed it?
 
There's no topic ban. The invasion of Gaza and its impacts are an important, highly newsworthy topic and it would be ludicrous to ban it. So it's not on sight the moment it comes up or what have you. However, these discussions pretty rapidly turn into disasters and whatever value a discussion on the news about this critical, extremely serious situation approaches zero. People are being killed by the truckload and SVers turn it into stupid bullshit instead. I wish it wasn't so but that's how it is.

It's not a mystery why this happens. On one side you have people who can't really approach this kind of topic without it just being emotive venting and on the other you have people who are, frankly, just way too blasé about population centres getting bombed. The latter side is unresponsive to counterarguments and generally conceives of everyone on the former side as standing in for some guy they saw elsewhere. That's why you get this absurd situation where thousands of tons of aerial bombs are dropped on residential neighbourhoods and some guys are talking about the secret meanings of 'from the river to the sea' or whatever. The former side is just not equipped to deal with this and engages in petty heckling instead.

There's only so much that can be done in terms of keeping threads in shape. Moreover it's a complicated topic area for line moderators which puts a bottleneck on how much volume and how much speed can be handled. For basically all of 2024 to this point the N&P report queue has generally been about 90% IvP reports (that has recently changed somewhat due to the US election approaching, though some of those are still IvP reports).

Some of the lines can be very fine and our tools are supposed to be used relatively precisely, but the things we have most flexibility in is making directions to a given thread, or closing it. So if necessary, that's what we'll do.
 
On one side you have people who can't really approach this kind of topic without it just being emotive venting and on the other you have people who are, frankly, just way too blasé about population centres getting bombed. The latter side is unresponsive to counterarguments and generally conceives of everyone on the former side as standing in for some guy they saw elsewhere. That's why you get this absurd situation where thousands of tons of aerial bombs are dropped on residential neighbourhoods and some guys are talking about the secret meanings of 'from the river to the sea' or whatever. The former side is just not equipped to deal with this and engages in petty heckling instead.
Respectfully, I don't think covers the full spectrum of opinions or accurately characterizes everyone's reactions, particularly when there are users who generally haven't been remotely disruptive those threads. It also misses the personal reasons those directly affected by the war may have.
 
What does "equipped to deal with this" look like actually? Like, open question as I think by and large this also hasn't been figured out by actual journalists.

Will consider "Idunno" a valid answer here.

I am not Ford, but part of it is that I don't think this is something any site is really equipped to deal with; it's a huge, deeply divisive topic with strong moral opinions on both sides and is immensely stressful to look at and engage with. That being said, sites that are better able to engage with it are sites with large, robust moderation staff, especially ones that have experience in dealing with controversial topics and have a site culture that is for swift snap-judgment based action, in my opinion. SV is just not one of those sites.
 
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It sucks, but I understand why moderation is erring on the side of shutting shit down before it blows up (again). I certainly agree that one side of the debate is just way too accepting of mass civilian death under aerial bombardment - which is hard to deal with, emotionally.
 
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