How do I become a better writer?

Rookie12

Objectively worst writer
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, so if I am wrong, I am deeply sorry for the inconvenience.

I've been writing for a few years, and I am still shit at it. I try to write 2, 000 words per day, read everything I can get my hands on, edit my writing, and give it a few days before posting. I also make an outline before starting a story to avoid forgetting about important plot points. And I keep reading books on how to write, but the results speak for themselves.

My writing sucks, my stories are no good, my prose is terrible, my characters are boring, and I'd like to improve, but I don't know how. The reasons for my failing lie squarely on me: I lack creativity, am not smart, and have no talent. If possible, can you give me some advice on how to improve as a writer?
 
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Speaking as someone who writes regularly, there is no magic trick. Just keep writing, as much as you can.

Also, feeling that way is basically completely normal and to be expected out of most people writing. You will see the worst parts of whatever you've written. You have to learn to take that as a drive to do better next time.
 
Read.

Read as much as you can.

Then steal what you read.

No, seriously.

The more you expose yourself to other people's writing, the more references you'll have when creating your own stories. It doesn't even have to be good writing! Everything you read is a learning opportunity.
 
Take what I say with a grain of salt, since I've only posted the one short story so far, but I think it's probably more difficult for your stories to gain readership because they're all original fiction.

It's easier for fanfictions to get attention because people are already invested in the characters and setting. People will read literal garbage if it's about characters that they're emotionally invested in.

I remember there was this one awful snippet I posted in the RWBY Ao3. It was full of the most purple prose imaginable. It was literally a rehash of the scene where Qrow punches Oscar, from the perspective of Oscar, that I wrote because the show put so little emphasis on a fully grown man punching a little boy into a tree.

It was just Oscar being sad for like 1000 words and somehow that one snippet got hundreds of upvotes and dozens of comments. That snippet I wrote back in high-school is to-date the most popular thing that I've ever written and it drives me insane whenever I think about it.

Aside from the fact that blatant emotional pandering works to an unfortunate degree, the lesson of this story is that fanfiction writers tend to have it a lot easier than original fiction writers.

I've also seen and heard about full-time writers starting out as fanfiction writers; RavensDagger over on SpaceBattles, for example, started out writing derivative Worm fanfiction about Taylor with Endbringer powers and the ability to make little sister clones of parahumans, and now writes full-time, has a Patreon and several multi-hundred thousand stories on Royal Road, and also has an original story named Fluff heavily inspired by and revolving around that initial concept of spawning little sister parahumans.

I'm also more willing to read original fiction if I've already read the author's works in a fanfiction series that I liked, and decided that I liked their style.
 
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Write things that make you feel intensely. Write stories that evoke emotions from you, write characters that you feel intense things for and about. Write villains you wish you could cast down, write heroes you wish you could save and who could save you, write the things that make you feel.
 
Read.

Read as much as you can.

Then steal what you read.

No, seriously.

The more you expose yourself to other people's writing, the more references you'll have when creating your own stories. It doesn't even have to be good writing! Everything you read is a learning opportunity.
To add on this, read a lot of different stuff. Read comic books. Read histories. Read theater plays. Read horror. Read foreign works. Read anthologies. Read YA. Read the classics. Read fanfiction. Read and then read some more.
 
I'll be honest, I've not read your stuff, but I'd be surprised if, given that you're writing regularly and actively seeking to improve, your writing was as bad as you claim. It sounds like you're being overly self-critical - which is fine in moderation but not if it gets to the point where it seems to be sapping your motivation.

In this case, the whole 'two cakes' thing might be a helpful mindset:

 
The good news is: you're already doing what most people find the hardest part. The key reason behind why you see so much advice about "just write" is that, while there's other things that are important or just often useful, the one piece that is strictly necessary is "keep writing". For a lot of people, if it's not coming out instantly and at high quality, they sort of give up and look for a magic bullet.

For you, I see a million words of fiction in User Fiction, all from within the last two years. Good job! Even if you find you need to let up a bit on volume, that's fine. You have passed this hurdle that stops an extremely large amount of would-be writers.

You've also passed what often ends up being the second hurdle, that of writing with intent. Some people start writing and just go seat of their pants: no outlining efforts, sometimes not even basic spellcheck-level editing. You've passed this part, too, by your description of the situation and what I see when I look.

So, that means that we get to the bad news. It's at the point where you need to dig into what is and isn't working for you, which probably will require you to find a long-term partner to give harsh feedback. I can't be that; my schedule is too discombobulated to try. But I have a little time today, so let's look at Healing, as your most recent work I see here on SV.

The opening post for Healing does several things right: you start by giving us a hook in the first paragraph. Zeke has a 'membranous wing', which implicitly requires explanation. There's the aftermath of a conflict, which clearly shapes who Zeke is and what situation he's in. We get one emotional tie to all this, where Zeke tells us that the devastation is the result of 'madness', which seems to be a value judgment from him. You build on this to set a scene. We find out Zeke has four arms and a carapace, and he's in a world that has IFF and air defense turrets and lasers and cars, but also has priests and cathedrals in prominence. Zeke is referred to as "Blessed One", which is the title we've already seen attached to the one whose 'madness' caused this ruin.

Those are all correct things and show that, yeah, you have been trying to be a good writer, studying things carefully and trying to implement them. The wrinkle is that digging in any deeper doesn't quite cohere for me. Who is Zeke? I don't know. He'll try to help a woman in distress, but gets rebuffed and stops. What is his connection to things here? Well, he seems to be local-ish, even if he's scary to normal humans, He doesn't want to hurt people. That's good, but doesn't tell me much. It's clear that Zeke's history and nature is something you're planning to reveal in stages: some of what we, the reader, don't know is just because we're new to the world of the story, and a little more explanation of things will be forthcoming, but he probably also has secrets. So there should be, in rough order over the next updates: a better understanding of the status quo in the setting, a few hints to his secrets, and finally revelations that will recontextualize who and what he is, which will gradually come over the subsequent updates. This part is fine if we hit one further thing.

What I look for here and don't see is a little more connection to why I should want to spend time with Zeke and this story. There's no single right answer, here: anything can work if the writer makes it work. The POV sticks close to him, but we don't see much of his internality. Is he sad that the healers stopped him from trying to help? Is he relieved that he doesn't have to try, because of a guilty irrational feeling that he'll make things worse? Is his body too optimized for war to be able to safely carry a patient and that tears him up inside? He 'doesn't mind' the AI hologram, but that doesn't tell me anything: he could be annoyed at their pretense of mind without actual free will, he could be pleased that their presence allows more workers to join the war effort, he could have religious objections from his upbringing that he's working his way through, or anything else. Probably all of those examples are wrong for your story, which is fine, they're just examples, but something like that gives me more connection to Zeke and to the setting.

A viewpoint character can be a tragic figure we want to see move past their traumas, a funny character we want to hear speak more, an innocent who implicitly will have their innocence challenged in the story's near future, a cipher we want to understand, a complete asshole we want to see get their due, or anything else. With the right writer and the right story, almost anything can work, but Zeke in this opening doesn't give me enough to care much about him and his setting. He 'doesn't mind' that the patient and holo-doc leave him be. To try to be usefully pithy, will he also not mind if I leave him be?

I can tell that you have a plan, but you need to tip your cards a little more so that a reader will want to connect with this character. If I or someone else is going to spend hours of our lives reading Zeke's story, we want to know he's someone we want to hang out with. Show me who he is, how he interacts with his world, what sort of challenges he'll face and why I want to see him succeed or fail.

You sometimes have thoughts out of order. Not intentionally, but they'd often work better if you just... put them in other orders. This is an example: I'm just going to rearrange six paragraphs and change nothing else.

"I thought you were lost," the man laughed good-naturedly and held out his hand. "Hanno Reingold."

"Zeke Bloodrave." The soldier leaned forward and shook the doctor's hand. "You're holding up well for an Iternian, sir. I once had a reporter pass out when I landed next to her."

"Not gonna lie, a month ago I would have been scared of you, Zeke." Hanno smiled and tapped his chitin scute. "But after the bedlam and chaos that happened recently, I'm too busy to be afraid. After me."

Hanno was a Normie—an ordinary man. His brown eyes were clear, his skin clean of scars. Like all Iternians, he looked young, but that meant nothing. Iterna possessed and perfected the technology of the ancients, making rejuvenation technology so cheap that it was freely available to every one of its inhabitants. To these people, the loss of a limb or organ was nothing; their medicine easily cloned any organ. When the corporations of Iterna offered their assistance in rebuilding in exchange for construction contracts, the Oathtakers readily agreed to allow Iterna to open clinics on their lands.

The lands of Iterna were untouched by the ravages of the Glow, thanks to the force shield that protected the country. The people there never experienced the suffering, hunger, and thirst of the others during the Extinction. Their bodies had not been altered; only a few had received the gifts so common in the New World.

Zeke's appearance often scared Normies. His faceted eyes were pools of impenetrable darkness; the sharpest of mandibles replaced his lips. Brown chitin plates covered his four-meter body. The gifts of the Eternal Shifter did not stop with his appearance. Muscles served him instead of bones; his brain was able to accelerate the perception of time, allowing the soldier to see a flying projectile in slow motion. A tactical belt encircled his waist. In one pocket of the belt was an ID card, and in the second was a terminal, a small portable computer that warned the doctor of his arrival.

This could be improved a bit further with some light re-writes, I think, but I hope that it's clear why I put it in the order I did. In the original, Zeke says something, then we stop to talk about Iterna, then we talk about Normies, then we say Zeke often scares Normies with a paragraph that infodumps more about his appearance, and then we have the doc say "oh, I'm not scared". The exposition meandered and, crucially, interrupted the conversation. In the original order, Hanno feels like he's responding telepathically to Zeke thinking about how he's scary, because we stopped to talk about geopolitics and history and different people-groups between when Zeke introduced himself and when Hanno responded. In the order I used, we have introduction-response-context. Try to keep conversations together and tack exposition either before or after the conversation, unless it's really important that it go between lines they say. I see this elsewhere in this chapter, too, but this was the most obvious example.

A simpler problem: the girl and the dentist scene. It's a little too wacky to feel coherent. The girl knows and easily employs the word 'sadist', but doesn't know what the dentist is and jumps way too far for what 'a tiny needle' will do to her. A little levity is fine and this is the right place for it, but "kid cries about going to the dentist" makes me think she's well under ten years old, while "identifies a racial/national group and calls them sadists" feels weird for someone who's not at least a teenager. You have the bones of a useful scene here, but it needs to either make the little girl into just a little girl, or make her into a precocious youth intentionally acting up. Probably the former.

After this, the scene shows us something about how the world has implicitly changed as we meet Malformed and mutants and Blessed and this mostly works. You're telling me a lot about the setting by picking out efficient little details that describe the whole. The dissonant part is that this now jarringly conflicts with what I thought about the "madness of the Blessed One" in paragraph one. There's not one "Blessed One". It's a category. This is too early in the story for me to be thrown by this. Every time that a recontextualization is jarring instead of intriguing, it's a way to lose a reader. We haven't read that far, yet, so it'd be easy to not come back for Chapter 2. Try to be careful that you don't mislead readers.

To summarize: I see about 75% of a good opening here. You did your worldbuilding (I can see that even if I don't know the details yet), you are close to figuring out how to make a good plot/situation-based ending hook with this 'imprint' quasi-mystery, you know how to sprinkle in fun background things, I have some feel for what's going on and it's reasonably interesting. The last 25% or so is a bit of a doozy, unfortunately: I need to feel a bit more of Zeke's internality and I need a little more connection to him, and I need to know at least enough about what category of secrets Zeke is not sharing to know if I want to hang out with him for longer. I also need a few other little things to not drag it down, the type I mentioned above already.

I glanced over Hordedoom, as well, and didn't have any significantly different responses to skimming things. Overall, you're close, and once you get a handle on that last bit, it'll just be a matter of finding the correct audience to appreciate your work.

Don't be so down on yourself: Yeah, you have ground you'll need to cover, but your writing is serviceable, the one story I looked into starts reasonably strong, your prose needs a little more coherence in ways you can learn, your characters need to reveal themselves to the reader a little more, and you are actively trying to improve on all this. Creativity can become a mechanical, iterative process. There's no need to be smart: the famous and much-beloved Terry Prachett commented how a lot of his ideas came from just giving dumb and obvious answers to situations and then exploring them (for example: "Death rides a horse? Well, then someone has to clean the stable."). Talent is a head start, but not something that wins a marathon. Find the coach that will help you run that full marathon.
 
A simpler problem: the girl and the dentist scene. It's a little too wacky to feel coherent. The girl knows and easily employs the word 'sadist', but doesn't know what the dentist is and jumps way too far for what 'a tiny needle' will do to her. A little levity is fine and this is the right place for it, but "kid cries about going to the dentist" makes me think she's well under ten years old, while "identifies a racial/national group and calls them sadists" feels weird for someone who's not at least a teenager. You have the bones of a useful scene here, but it needs to either make the little girl into just a little girl, or make her into a precocious youth intentionally acting up.
Thank you for your advice. I've been pondering on how to change the scene without ruining the humor (it is difficult for me to come up with jokes), but then it clicked for me that something like: "Ignore her," the woman said to the nurse. "She is fishing for candies." might work.

After this, the scene shows us something about how the world has implicitly changed as we meet Malformed and mutants and Blessed and this mostly works. You're telling me a lot about the setting by picking out efficient little details that describe the whole. The dissonant part is that this now jarringly conflicts with what I thought about the "madness of the Blessed One" in paragraph one. There's not one "Blessed One". It's a category. This is too early in the story for me to be thrown by this. Every time that a recontextualization is jarring instead of intriguing, it's a way to lose a reader. We haven't read that far, yet, so it'd be easy to not come back for Chapter 2. Try to be careful that you don't mislead readers.

True. I am overly eager to shove the mountains of lore into my work, and that is clearly wrong, but this time I am struggling to think of a better way to do it, since Zeke is old enough and his country has a decent education system. I'll have to think more about how to introduce things in a non-overwhelming way.

A Blessed is a word Zeke's country uses for those who have superpowers or those who were changed. They vary in power. The refugees from smaller, now-gone nations think it is a rank (hence the mutant calls Zeke a Blessed One, not realizing she herself counts as one). And Iterna uses the term Abnormals for such people.

You sometimes have thoughts out of order. Not intentionally, but they'd often work better if you just... put them in other orders. This is an example: I'm just going to rearrange six paragraphs and change nothing else.

This is much better than the way I originally wrote it. Here's another thing for me to consider. Thank you for your help!


Thank you all for your advice. I'll keep trying to improve.
 
I've read and responded to a lot of your threads over the years and by and large I think you've got a lot of creativity. If there's one thing that I've always wanted to suggest to you, though, it's to work on your style. In terms of just general grammar and word choice and such, I've always had the feeling that you're not a native speaker. If you are, that's not meant to be an insult, it just comes across that way. Your prose is... a bit crude, I'm sorry to say. I'm not sure why that is, but I've got one suggestion that might help you work on it: steal from someone else.

Not in the plagiaristic sense, mind you. I've been told by many people that one of the ways aspiring writers refine their craft and their own style is to look at someone else's work, a writer they admire and want to emulate, and then try their hardest to write like them. You love Stephen King? Read his books and try to sound like Stephen King. Try to compare and contrast him to other writers. Try to understand what makes his style what it is. A lot of people do this, you know? The sincerest form of flattery is imitation, people say, and the point isn't for you to stick with it - it's to refine your own skills by learning how a master (for a definition of master) uses his. Phrasing, grammar, themes, stylistic devices, all of these are just a set of tools, no different from a hammer or a brush and easel. How you hold your hand and swing the brush or hammer is as much part of being a visual artist as having ideas for what to paint is.

I personally believe that, for whatever flaws you think your writing might have, you are dedicated to getting better. I've seen you around these forums (and particularly Spacebattles) for a long time and I think that as long as you keep trying, you'll eventually get to where you want to be. Whatever you're currently doing might not work for you, but that just means you need to try another approach.
 
Is this a prerequisite to being a good writer?

Pretty much. It's possible to learn to write well without reading other people's works. Just like it's possible to learn to be an artist without studying the old masters . . . But you're basically handicapping yourself for no reason.

Edit - I know that can sound daunting, but treat it like eating an elephant, one bit at a time. Just START reading for leisure and take some time to be immersed in what you're reading. It's similar to exercise in that you don't have to become a world class athlete to start experience the benefits.

The more you expose yourself to other people's writing, the more references you'll have when creating your own stories. It doesn't even have to be good writing! Everything you read is a learning opportunity.

The one thing I will ad to this is that it's usually considered wise to AVOID the genre you're writing. At least while you're actively working on a project in that genre. If you're a sci-fi writer, wait until you've turned in your manuscript before you start reading that new Hugo winner you've heard so much about, for instance, and switch back to other materials before you start on your next project.

Terry Pratchett told people who loved to write fantasy to stop reading fantasy because they've already read enough fantasy.

Hayao Miyazaki's famous angry old man speech about anime is, in large part, about the fact that everyone apes each other until derivation sapped the life from the art.
 
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Pretty much. It's possible to learn to write well without reading other people's works. Just like it's possible to learn to be an artist without studying the old masters . . . But you're basically handicapping yourself for no reason.
You cannot be an architect without looking at how other people build houses. I mean, you can, but all you'll ever achieve is to make inferior copies of things that the rest of the world abandoned centuries ago, because you're working from first principles and trying to pretend that you're capable of recreating the entirety of human progress on the subject all by yourself, which, frankly, you are not. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves.
 
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, so if I am wrong, I am deeply sorry for the inconvenience.

I've been writing for a few years, and I am still shit at it. I try to write 2, 000 words per day, read everything I can get my hands on, edit my writing, and give it a few days before posting. I also make an outline before starting a story to avoid forgetting about important plot points. And I keep reading books on how to write, but the results speak for themselves.

My writing sucks, my stories are no good, my prose is terrible, my characters are boring, and I'd like to improve, but I don't know how. The reasons for my failing lie squarely on me: I lack creativity, am not smart, and have no talent. If possible, can you give me some advice on how to improve as a writer?
A good way to give your characters and writing more depth and relatability is write as though you're having a personal conversation with the reader, using the exact same language you would use in a regular talk, especially if you're writing in the first person or second person, which facilitate that style very well. It is an easy way to engage with the reader and get them invested in the story you're telling.

I noticed you also said you try to write 2,000 words a day, which is alright, but maybe consider slowing down the pace to put less pressure on yourself and to focus on your prose.
 
You cannot be an architect without looking at how other people build houses. I mean, you can, but all you'll ever achieve is to make inferior copies of things that the rest of the world abandoned centuries ago, because you're working from first principles and trying to pretend that you're capable of recreating the entirety of human progress on the subject all by yourself, which, frankly, you are not. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves.

Yes, that's basically what I said. You're quibbling over degrees here.

And architecture is maybe not the right comparison. Unless you live in an area with a lot of outstanding architecture, I doubt most people engage with the buildings around them in nearly the same way they do with the media they even incidentally consume as opposed to deliberately research.

Although if you do start reading for the sake of improving your own writing, you're inherently going to start examining other works in much greater detail.

"How long are these paragraphs?" "How does this writer do dialogue." "Why does those exposition work when that one doesn't?"

Edit - An important thing for @Rookie12 , while studying other people's work to improve your own is necessary, don't fall into the trap of comparing yourself too closely with the people you're studying. You're not them and you're going to write in your own way, even when you try to replicate other writers.
 
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I've read and responded to a lot of your threads over the years and by and large I think you've got a lot of creativity. If there's one thing that I've always wanted to suggest to you, though, it's to work on your style. In terms of just general grammar and word choice and such, I've always had the feeling that you're not a native speaker. If you are, that's not meant to be an insult, it just comes across that way. Your prose is... a bit crude, I'm sorry to say. I'm not sure why that is, but I've got one suggestion that might help you work on it: steal from someone else.

I am not a native English speaker (I learned some English by reading foreign literature and playing video games). And don't be sorry, my prose sucks, so I'm trying to improve from being the worst author; there's nothing wrong with telling the truth.

Not in the plagiaristic sense, mind you. I've been told by many people that one of the ways aspiring writers refine their craft and their own style is to look at someone else's work, a writer they admire and want to emulate, and then try their hardest to write like them. You love Stephen King? Read his books and try to sound like Stephen King. Try to compare and contrast him to other writers. Try to understand what makes his style what it is. A lot of people do this, you know? The sincerest form of flattery is imitation, people say, and the point isn't for you to stick with it - it's to refine your own skills by learning how a master (for a definition of master) uses his. Phrasing, grammar, themes, stylistic devices, all of these are just a set of tools, no different from a hammer or a brush and easel. How you hold your hand and swing the brush or hammer is as much part of being a visual artist as having ideas for what to paint is.

I've tried and keep trying this (I regularly re-read Lensman series - Wikipedia ), but the problem is that the authors I like write in third-person omniscient POV (POVs often change on the fly, or we get the emotions of a completely different character while following the MC), which is a bit confusing for me as I write in a more classic third-person style.
 
I believe people should read things they don't like. Variety adds to a richer, bigger perspective.

For excellent prose, vivid imagery, and a modern writing style; try Oryx and Crake and This Is How You Lose the Time War. To find something to write about, read articles and textbooks on philosophy, psychology, politics, all kinds of stuff, even the boring stuff.

@Rookie12 - I think your biggest writing problem is structure. VagueZ showed how rearranging paragraphs into a more logical order of ideas helped. Guides on how to write an essay might help identify logical sections and topics.

For improving interiority or improving reader connection to a character, the scene-sequel model works well. Jim Butcher writes about it here. I recommend his whole live journal, it's full of good advice.

Your word level, line-by-line writing is fine. Prose is something that can be improved indefinitely, but eventually you just gotta say 'that's good enough.'

Forget other people and just work to your own standard.

The fact that you keep improving is personally inspiring. So, um, please keep doing that.
 
I believe people should read things they don't like. Variety adds to a richer, bigger perspective.
At least when you're reading to learn and broaden your horizons, not for fun. The fact that a lot of aspiring writers don't really ever branch out of their personal comfort zone is what I consider one of one of the reasons why so much "genre fiction" (romance, fantasy, sci-fi, etc.) is often decried for being of lower literary quality than more general fiction. People want to write stories that are like the stories they personally enjoy, but since they have such a small sample set to learn from, they copy their flaws as well as what is good about them out of simple ignorance.
 
Sorry, it didnt come off that way to me.
*shrug* Fair enough. I sometimes like to elaborate on why I agree with something that someone said from my own perspective, since I think it's more helpful than just saying "yes, I think this is correct." I'm not sure why that would come across as combative, but water under the bridge, no harm done.
 
*shrug* Fair enough. I sometimes like to elaborate on why I agree with something that someone said from my own perspective, since I think it's more helpful than just saying "yes, I think this is correct." I'm not sure why that would come across as combative, but water under the bridge, no harm done.

I initially thought you were over-weighing my statement that you can in fact learn to write serviceably without studying other people's work. It's tremendously inefficient and will handicap your progress as a writer for no reason, but you can do it. But that's just how I took it at first blush and not worth further clogging up the thread.


People want to write stories that are like the stories they personally enjoy, but since they have such a small sample set to learn from, they copy their flaws as well as what is good about them out of simple ignorance.

I suspect this is half the reason these genres also tend to be terrible at implementing romance. At least in a way that could compliment the story.
 
I suspect this is half the reason these genres also tend to be terrible at implementing romance.
Yes, I would suspect the same thing. A lack of awareness of how other people write romance outside of the established tropes of, well, badly-written genre fiction results in perpetuating those tropes further, creating a new generation of works that fans of the genre then learn the same bad habits from. This is why it's really helpful to take a look at what other people have already done, to circle back around to the metaphor I made about architecture. There might already be existing solutions to problems that you didn't even know were problems and you just never realized.
 
This is why it's really helpful to take a look at what other people have already done, to circle back around to the metaphor I made about architecture. There might already be existing solutions to problems that you didn't even know were problems and you just never realized.

You see this a LOT in anime, manga, and LN, which is why, for all of its many sins and shortcoming, SAO actually has one of the more decent attempts at romance in the medium.

Kirito and Asuna tend towards low key faithful support for each other and much of the entertainment in watching their relationship is the fact they're a pair of touch starved idiots and both GIGANTIC dorks even after they get together.

Compared to virtually everyone else in the above mediums where the Romance is either barely touched on, pure melodrama (Highschool Slice of Life), or comically distorted to mask a lack of true substance. The sincerity is refreshing even if the execution leaves something to be desired. All because, very few writers in the medium manage to do that low key sincerity.
 
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