Which of the other starter choices do you want to see interludes from most?

  • Dishonored

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Legend Of Zelda

    Votes: 9 20.9%
  • Shadow Of Mordor

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

    Votes: 4 9.3%
  • Preacher

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • Fist Of The North Star

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kill Six Billion Demons

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • The Zombie Knight

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mob Psycho 100

    Votes: 2 4.7%
  • Author's Choice

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
Wait, does that mean mean at this moment Penny is Tranistor's sempi?
Edit: In soul/aura having I mean
As far as I can tell, the reason Penny was able to produce Aura, and indeed, have a soul, was because she was designed to emulate humanity as closely as possible. Hence why she isn't an emotionless killing machine, and why she's able to be self-conscious over the fact that she's not a real girl. The Transistor... doesn't. It has one role in life- help you. Above all else, that is its sole role in life. It's an AI, a brilliant AI, but it would make for a terrible human because... it's quite literally programmed to keep you safe and sound at all costs, up to and including itself.

It does not emulate humanity because nobody has such a one-track mind. No mentally sound human has another person as the foundation of their life's motivations. That's how you end up with Charlie Kelly.

Does that mean it will never be able to have a soul?

Honestly? Probably, if you're the only person involved. You're good, hell, you're great with AIs now, but something that can properly feel, properly develop and grow as a person, not just reacting as its code says it should to certain stimuli, not just using machine learning to develop in a way that lets it react slightly more like a real person would...

It's all a mask. A mask with nothing else beneath it. And giving it something beneath the mask isn't something that any amount of code or hardware can do, because you can't code a soul.
 
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Saff is aware of... certain nuances of your teammates' Semblances that have convinced him that it's his job to act as an arbiter for entry as far as those two are concerned, lest they end up hurting someone down the line.

I can understand him not liking Creme's, it appears to stop anyone from dealing any physical damage and her using all of what would be generated. That could absolutely cause some friendly deaths while fighting a horde of Grimm. There's probably more if he's this upset about it.

I haven't seen enough of Lumen's to guess though about his though.
 
I can understand him not liking Creme's, it appears to stop anyone from dealing any physical damage and her using all of what would be generated. That could absolutely cause some friendly deaths while fighting a horde of Grimm. There's probably more if he's this upset about it.

I haven't seen enough of Lumen's to guess though about his though.
I imagine that Saff had an issue with Lumen's... lackadaisical attitude to studying.
 
I can understand him not liking Creme's, it appears to stop anyone from dealing any physical damage and her using all of what would be generated. That could absolutely cause some friendly deaths while fighting a horde of Grimm. There's probably more if he's this upset about it.

I haven't seen enough of Lumen's to guess though about his though.
I get the feeling Creme can't select targets, at least not right now.
 
[X] Talk()- He seems as reluctant as you about this, despite his drawing first blood. Maybe you can talk him out of this?

I feel a little iffy bout doing a straight up backstab.
 
[X] Talk()- He seems as reluctant as you about this, despite his drawing first blood. Maybe you can talk him out of this?

I feel a little iffy bout doing a straight up backstab.

Well from the wording I assume it's less backstabbing and being prepared for talking to fail.

As far as I can tell, the reason Penny was able to produce Aura, and indeed, have a soul, was because she was designed to emulate humanity as closely as possible. Hence why she isn't an emotionless killing machine, and why she's able to be self-conscious over the fact that she's not a real girl. The Transistor... doesn't. It has one role in life- help you. Above all else, that is its sole role in life. It's an AI, a brilliant AI, but it would make for a terrible human because... it's quite literally programmed to keep you safe and sound at all costs, up to and including itself.

It does not emulate humanity because nobody has such a one-track mind. No mentally sound human has another person as the foundation of their life's motivations. That's how you end up with Charlie Kelly.

Does that mean it will never be able to have a soul?

Honestly? Probably, if you're the only person involved. You're good, hell, you're great with AIs now, but something that can properly feel, properly develop and grow as a person, not just reacting as its code says it should to certain stimuli, not just using machine learning to develop in a way that lets it react slightly more like a real person would...

It's all a mask. A mask with nothing else beneath it. And giving it something beneath the mask isn't something that any amount of code or hardware can do, because you can't code a soul.

Would examining Penny(with the transistor) gives us an idea how to give it a soul? Also on the soul tracing thing, would Jaune be alright doing it if he happened to run into someone that died by other causes instead of being killed by him? Finally didn't you say you were going to update the character sheet with Tech skills?
 
I can't help but wonder what would happen to mini-Moss if we Crash()-ed him while he was insidde a wall. Would it pause his ability? Would it be a one hit KO?
 
Honestly, considering author responses I feel like this line of inquiry will go nowhere. What would giving the transistor a soul even do for the story? I feel like it would be an unneeded subplot to be honest.

Well as pointed out giving it a soul would give it aura and a semblance which could be a huge boost. It was also mentioned that it is pretty much faking being a person and by trying to give it a soul it would be able to develop and grow as a person.
 
I would in no way be opposed to working with info from Penny to make our not!Sword more... more, even if the QM confirmed that we can't ever give it Aura. Don't do it for the perks, do it because it's right.
 
Well as pointed out giving it a soul would give it aura and a semblance which could be a huge boost. It was also mentioned that it is pretty much faking being a person and by trying to give it a soul it would be able to develop and grow as a person.

Are you just trying to get more superpowers out of this? Because I think access to the source code of reality is enough power as is. Don't be greedy, we already have more potential than most of the cast.

I would in no way be opposed to working with info from Penny to make our not!Sword more... more, even if the QM confirmed that we can't ever give it Aura. Don't do it for the perks, do it because it's right.

Much better reasons for Penny-Transistor interactions.
 
Are you just trying to get more superpowers out of this? Because I think access to the source code of reality is enough power as is. Don't be greedy, we already have more potential than most of the cast.

Don't really think that's being greedy considering that we are actually meant to upgrade the Transistor which would give it even more abilities. Also really damn annoyed when people respond to one part of my post yet conviniently ignore the other half. I mean really?
 
I would in no way be opposed to working with info from Penny to make our not!Sword more... more, even if the QM confirmed that we can't ever give it Aura. Don't do it for the perks, do it because it's right.

I do agree here, even if it doesn't gain aura(though it would be a nice bonus) giving the Transistor a soul and true sapience seems like it would be quite interesting. More so if it leads to interesting interactions with it and Penny.
 
Easy enough to technobabble away, anyhow. There's no reason working to give the Transistor a soul means it needs to gain access to Aura, much less a semblance.

Presumably there's a reason not everyone on Remnant has their Aura unlocked despite having a soul. Whatever that reason is, apply it to the Transistor, and you're golden.
 
Easy enough to technobabble away, anyhow. There's no reason working to give the Transistor a soul means it needs to gain access to Aura, much less a semblance.

Presumably there's a reason not everyone on Remnant has their Aura unlocked despite having a soul. Whatever that reason is, apply it to the Transistor, and you're golden.
Unlocking a person's aura weakens the one doing the unlocking for months. When it's only your aura separating your guts from beowulf claws three times a week, you probably won't want to risk it for Joe the flower salesman.
 
Easy enough to technobabble away, anyhow. There's no reason working to give the Transistor a soul means it needs to gain access to Aura, much less a semblance.

Presumably there's a reason not everyone on Remnant has their Aura unlocked despite having a soul. Whatever that reason is, apply it to the Transistor, and you're golden.

I imagine that the reason not everyone gets their aura unlocked is the same reason not everyone has weapons that need military training to use. Not much point to getting aura if people aren't going to actually train it.

Unlocking a person's aura weakens the one doing the unlocking for months. When it's only your aura separating your guts from beowulf claws three times a week, you probably won't want to risk it for Joe the flower salesman.

Don't think the weaking thing is actually that long.
 
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I get the feeling Creme can't select targets, at least not right now.
Give that man a prize!

... Wait, that's my job. Um.

Creme, at this point, has very little control over her Semblance, to the point that it's pretty much up to a dice roll right now. Where she takes force from and where she directs any applied to her is, for the most part, completely random.

If she really focuses, she can try to exclude people, ie, you or Lumen, but everything else is completely up to chance. Let's have an example, just to hammer the point in.

Creme gets hit by a Boarbatusk. Who takes the damage- her, her teammates, or another Grimm? Roll the die. She focuses on excluding one teammate, one she knows has been taking a beating so far- it doesn't matter, the die is rolled, a Grimm her teammate was fighting goes flying while the Boarbatusk does what Xanadu did, crumpling to the ground. She brings her hammer down on the faceplate, shattering it- another teammate finds their bullets suddenly don't work, which is unfortunate considering the Beowolf that just snapped at his arm.

Creme is a good tank and cannon- the problem is that every time she becomes that tank, there is every chance the people around her, on either side, could be hurt. Every time she uses her Semblance... it's like she's pointing a gun at the head of every person around her, and she doesn't know which trigger she's going to pull.

Or... she can take the hit. It'll mess her up, but at least the people around her won't get hurt, right?

... Right?

I can't help but wonder what would happen to mini-Moss if we Crash()-ed him while he was insidde a wall. Would it pause his ability? Would it be a one hit KO?
Step on a tomato- no, no, I'm kidding.

He's not intangible- the wall just gets out of his way. If Xanadu is the asshole who shoves people down in the street while he's running somewhere, Mini-Moss is the guy who somehow slips between every person without so much as jostling them. If you used Crash() on him while he's between walls, he's just going to stumble backwards and leave a hole in the wall. Which might be useful in its own right, mind.

Would examining Penny(with the transistor) gives us an idea how to give it a soul?
Lewd.

But no, nothing about Penny's physical state will tell you how she creates Aura. I'll give you this much and hope you come to a conclusion: The soul, immortal and endless, is a creation of philosophy above all else. Think philosophically, and you're halfway there.

Also on the soul tracing thing, would Jaune be alright doing it if he happened to run into someone that died by other causes instead of being killed by him?
Soul tracing... really isn't all it's cracked up to be here.

The only reason it worked so well in the game was that 100% of the population of Cloudbank submitted to a census that documented their life choices in a way that meant the Transistor would be able to do that. Hell, Red's boy toy not being on the census properly is what caused the Transistor to go haywire in the first place.

Besides, do you really want to open that can of burgeoning god complex?

Finally didn't you say you were going to update the character sheet with Tech skills?
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I haven't been on my computer long enough to get around to it.

Quit micromanaging me.

:V

@Prok Is it possible for us to build a spare Transistor? Perhaps as a backup in case something happens to the original.
That's the entire point of Reboot(). As long as you have enough of the Transistor to fill your palm, you have enough processing power to use Reboot() and cheat it back into existence. Hell, walk into a computer store, you've got enough processing power for that.

Some may call this lenient- I call it giving you every chance to not use Functions without your focus.

I imagine that the reason not everyone gets their aura unlocked is the same reason not everyone has weapons that need military training to use. Not much point to getting aura if people aren't going to actually train it.

Don't think the weaking thing is actually that long.
I'm pretty sure Pyrhha was pretty much in fighting shape not ten minutes after awakening Jaune's Aura in canon, but I can see why doing it en masse outside of a school might be a strain on a Hunter.
 
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But no, nothing about Penny's physical state will tell you how she creates Aura. I'll give you this much and hope you come to a conclusion: The soul, immortal and endless, is a creation of philosophy above all else. Think philosophically, and you're halfway there.
To me this says that, at least part of it, is that we're purposefully making this being with the intent for it to have a soul and emulate humanity as we see/know it currently. That we are giving birth, that we are creating a sound body and sound mind for a soul to seat itself within and truly bring life into our creation. That it is a product of dedication and love. Something that we pour our own being and soul into bringing into the world just for the sake of bringing it into the world.

Which, by the way, if we ever do:
Not to mention the Transistor is a being that basically governs reality and the only reason we can trust it is that it's programmed to be subservient to us above all else. Making it fully sapient strikes me as being kinda stupid.
 
Not to mention the Transistor is a being that basically governs reality and the only reason we can trust it is that it's programmed to be subservient to us above all else. Making it fully sapient strikes me as being kinda stupid.

Not really, it can't actually do any of that. It's all Jaune since he is the one that is actually doing that, he just uses the transistor as a focus. Also imagine the Transistor as more male like considering what it was based on and the voice.
 
Not really, it can't actually do any of that. It's all Jaune since he is the one that is actually doing that, he just uses the transistor as a focus. Also imagine the Transistor as more male like considering what it was based on and the voice.
Well, not what I meant. Based on what I said, we can't make the Transistor sapient. Or at least it would be very difficult. Because it's very first purpose, when we created it, was to serve us. Jaune... probably wasn't even thinking about creating a living being when he made the Transistor, so I don't really see it as being easy to make it sapient and give it a soul.

Hell, it might be easier to create an entirely new being from the ground up than to try and make the Transistor sapient/give it a soul. It could even just be impossible to do that.

I was thinking for if we wanted to try to make one from the ground up. Which... might not be that hard? Well not getting the hardware anyway, since it looks like we have matter creation. Though it sounds like that's only for the Transistor itself?
 
Soul tracing... really isn't all it's cracked up to be here.

The only reason it worked so well in the game was that 100% of the population of Cloudbank submitted to a census that documented their life choices in a way that meant the Transistor would be able to do that. Hell, Red's boy toy not being on the census properly is what caused the Transistor to go haywire in the first place.

Besides, do you really want to open that can of burgeoning god complex?

Now that I think about it would it be possible to talk people who are close enough into doing a census that would allow us to trace them without much issue incase they die? I am imagining that this would allow us to cheat death due to how it puts the soul in the transistor.
 
You know what would be really useful right now?

Flood().

Actually, @Prok. How would Flood()'s disintegration-thingy interact with Aura?

Soul tracing... really isn't all it's cracked up to be here.

The only reason it worked so well in the game was that 100% of the population of Cloudbank submitted to a census that documented their life choices in a way that meant the Transistor would be able to do that. Hell, Red's boy toy not being on the census properly is what caused the Transistor to go haywire in the first place.

Besides, do you really want to open that can of burgeoning god complex?
Yes. :V
 
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