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Formative Olmec
Wrote up some more focused on the Preclassic (1600 BC-200 BC), gonna cross-post it here. Boutta drop the single most comprehensive forum post on the Olmecs ever made. Sources at the end of course.



The Gulf Coast Part 1/x: The Preclassic Period
This part of Mesoamerica is a bit of an oddball, physically, culturally, and historiographically. Most of the other big culture regions of Mesoamerica are predominantly highlands, with the obvious exception of the Lowland Maya in the Yucatan. Where the Pacific Coast is rocky and steep, the Atlantic-facing side is generally lush and gentle, and best-suited for a completely different range of lifeways and its own inventory of agricultural products. Technically, this rule applies to the Yucatan area as well, but the region we call the Gulf Coast is culturally distinct from the Maya area ever since they diverged from each other thousands of years ago.

For most of the 20th century Mesoamericanists had a different conception of the Gulf Coast. Its climate did little to preserve its ruins and thick forest that rebounded during the colonial period (hmm :thonk:) hid away most of what little we could see. Lowlands were also hit harder by colonial epidemics, as the wetter environment welcomed newly-introduced malaria and the dismantling of indigenous sanitation and social systems accelerated the spread of salmonella. Based on what we could see, scholars long considered the Gulf Coast to be a cultural backwater of Ancient Mesoamerica. Supposedly it'd have its heyday with the "Olmec" civilization and then spend the rest of history as a peripheral and thinly-settled region of little importance whose contributions to the kaleidoscope of Greater Mesoamerica were marginal. This'll be a recurring theme throughout this post - old-time Mesoamericanists showing how little they know.

Late Postclassic Mesoamericans would have laughed at us, oh how wrong we got it. The Gulf Coast figured prominently in Aztec myth and imperial aspirations as, to put it in Pool's (2006) words, a "land of cultural refinement and material plenty, founded on its rich cultural heritage, natural abundance, and its strategic location along numerous overland and maritime trade routes." When the Spanish landed here, they would encounter a diverse population including speakers of Huastec, Pame, Totonac, Tepehua, Mixe, Zoque, Nahua, and others, who together with their predecessors had over a course of 3,000 years produced some of Mesoamerica's most sophisticated and widely imitated accomplishments in art, ritual, and symbolic expression. Teotihuacan and the later Aztec Empire both managed to exert political power and influence in this region (the latter Aztecs' being the more intensive) but neither empire went untouched by Gulf influence, one example being Teotihuacan's adoption of specific interlace scroll styles mainly associated with the north-central Coast.



Modern academia and ancient knowledge were at odds with each other until the advent of LiDAR technology was applied to flyovers of the Tabasco plain, Yucatan peninsula and other areas. The results of these studies forced re-assessments of the Gulf Coast's ancient heritage (like Arnold & Pool, 2006 and Braswell, 2003). LiDAR peeled away the forest canopy and penetrated to the man-made formations underneath. Overnight dozens of new sites were identified while the scope of those we were already aware of multiplied. Tumult ensued as we argued over ever-increasing pre-Columbian population estimates. But when the dust settled, ancient scribe and modern archaeologist were in agreement: the Gulf Coast was no peripheral backwater but a powerful cultural influence on the rest of Mesoamerica for millennia.

Here's a small taste of the reality of the Gulf Coast we have unearthed. To be clear, not all of these would have been inhabited at the same time., and this is also not an exhaustive map of every single ruin we know about. Still, you'll see some of the names pop up here and there throughout this post. It's roughly divided into the sub-regions of the Gulf Coast; the northernmost being the Huasteca, then Totonacapan, the Lower Papaloapan, and Coatzacoalcos basin. Note that these divisions are a bit overly broad when applied to periods prior to immediately before contact.

The "Olmec" World
Perhaps the great esteem Postclassic Mesoamericans held for the Gulf Coast is but an echo of earlier periods. For much of the Preclassic period (also known as the Formative, which it henceforth will be referred to), the Coast was likely the most densely-populated region of Mesoamerica by a significant margin, even outside the Olmec world. Going by the numbers, the region today known as "La Huasteca" including parts of northern Veracruz and southern Tamaulipas, especially the Panuco-Tamesi basin, achieved a population density of 78-157 people/sq km during the Late Formative (Gutierrez Mendoza 2003). A similar estimate of 81-102 people/sq km has been offered, reluctantly, for the lower Papaloapan region in the Early Classic (Stark 2003), during the height of Cerro de las Mesas' power. The first of the largest Olmec cities, San Lorenzo, itself a cluster of three sites, was the largest city in Mesoamerica during the height of its influence (roughly 1200 to 900 BC) at some 13,000-18,000 inhabitants, itself at the head of a settlement hierarchy of three or even four tiers of settlement sizes (Cyphers, 1997a; Symonds et al 2002).

Nonetheless, it wasn't always an especially urbanized population at this early stage, but archaeology supports a rather large, continuously dispersed, population from the Huasteca to the Olmec heartland. Especially the latter, which was certainly urbanized - indeed the Olmecs are regarded as Mesoamerica's earliest urban society and features of their culture went on to influence subsequent developments to a significant degree. First unearthed in the 1860s, scientific excavations lead by Matthew Stirling would follow in the 1930s and 1940s, which revealed the Olmec to be an important and very ancient culture, as well as one wholly undiscovered until then. ...So they went on nonetheless to name it after a 16th century Nahuatl term. Yeah we'll get to the problems with Olmec later.

Their antiquity, if not their importance, was at first contested by haughty Mayanists. Sylvanus Morley and J Eric Thompson insisted it had to be contemporary with or "even later" than their precious Classic Maya. The then-new technique of radiocarbon dating then proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the Olmec were far older than any previously studied culture, confirming earlier suspicions. This inspired Michael Coe, a colossus of a Mesoamericanist who made innumerable contributions to our field despite being a weirdo with hot takes, to hail the Olmecs as the "First Civilization" of the Americas. Another Mexican scholar, Alfonso Caso, caught up in mid-20th century enthusiasts' overreager attribution of far-flung jade artifacts to Olmec manufacture or inspiration, credited them as Mesoamerica's "Mother Culture". This itself is a hot take that has inspired contentious and heated debate among modern Mesoamericanists. We'll get to that later.

A long-standing process of increasing population density in the humid, low-lying river valleys of what are today the Mexican states of Tabasco and Veracruz culminated about 3500 years ago (ca. 1600 BC) in the emergence of urban centers. This seems to have happened rather 'suddenly' but we would do well to bear in mind that earlier record of cultural production in this environment remains rather obscure. Such Olmec centers which bear the modern archaeological names of San Lorenzo, La Venta, Laguna de los Cerros, and Tres Zapotes, among many others, arose out of thousands of years of more or less undifferentiated farming villages that had existed, dispersed across all Mesoamerica, since well before 1600 BC. Although the Olmecs have been regarded as Mesoamerica's first "complex" culture, the reality of course is they were not without antecedents. Nonetheless, their perceived seminal importance has ensured a lot of attention and study out of proportion to their contemporaries.

This is similar to the example in the Ancient Middle East; sedentary farmers were around thousands of years before cities like Uruk came to be. To evoke a possibly familiar comparison, the Olmec fluorescence would predate the Bronze Age Collapse; thus, to use a technical term they are "very fucking old". Something else that I think may help put the Olmec chronology into perspective is that ~1600 BCE is also roughly the starting point for state formation in Chinese civilization, right at the beginning of the Shang Dynasty, which is the first one to be historically verified to exist as a state (the "Xia Dynasty" was said to precede it by ~300 years, but could potentially be either an invention of Zhou Dynasty propagandists or, if it existed, a distant memory of sites like Erlitou or Erligang which don't immediately resemble a unified state). It's also contemporaneous with the Mycaeneans, the first instances of statebuilding in mainland Europe, and they had help. After the collapse of the Indus Valley civilization, the ones that would be established by the Indo-Aryan migration had only just entered their embryonic forms. Civilizations elsewhere (i.e. outside of the Fertile Crescent) had still yet to appear at this time. So in that vein Mesoamerica was developing urbanized states at essentially around the same time as the rest of the world and weren't necessarily "lacking" anything that would have produced it "faster". I also feel it worth mentioning that San Lorenzo was in its time not much different in size compared to most prominent contemporary Mesopotamian cities.

One crucial development that accelerated the course toward city life was nixtamalization. Although urbanism was the peak of a process that began millennia before, it is no coincidence that within centuries of the invention of nixtamalization did cities follow suit. This is a process whereby harvested maize is then soaked in water mixed with lime, as in limestone, though there are other ways to get lime such as the ashes of burnt plants and boiled mollusc shells. Reaction with the nitrates and calcium in the mineral produces maize with a better taste and texture, but also increases nutritional value of corn; overreliance on which otherwise can lead to a disease called pellagra, caused by a deficiency in the vitamin niacin. Although some strains of maize were at this time already capable of modern yield, nixtamalization is ultimately what made the difference between part-time (if active) horticulture and full-time intensive agriculture.

Indeed the Olmec centers went on to mobilize labor on a large-scale to build farming terraces, irrigations, and dams. To acquire material for these construction projects, labor also had to be amassed and organized to quarry and transport stone - the better part of which came from the Tuxtla mountains dozens of kilometers away from some prominent masonry sites. Large quantities of quality tools also had to be produced, and in the meantime symbols of ceremonial power and ideology were also fashioned as the regalia of the elite, particularly from jade. A powerful religion took hold that one way or another influenced neighboring regions in ways both subtle and obvious, lead by a priesthood held to be capable of "shapeshifting" in the well-understood later Mesoamerican sense.

Although agricultural and urban, most who study the Olmec do not categorize them as states (at least not their earliest iteration), being more along the lines of "complex chiefdom" though as anyone in the field knows the line between a complex chiefdom and a state is rather blurry; indeed some prefer to call them "emergent states". Early Formative-period San Lorenzo has specifically been described as an "incipient state" (Symonds et al 2002) which was met with some controversy.

Although the Olmec legacy has a lot more to it I will get into, the thing most everyone thinks about when they see "Olmec" are the famous colossal stone heads. So I'll spend a moment discussing them. The first of these was found in the 1860s, and the first real analysis of one was Frans Blom & Oliver LaFarge in 1926, but we have found 17 in total since: 10 from San Lorenzo, 4 from La Venta, 2 from Tres Zapotes, and a truly massive one from La Carbata standing 11 feet tall and weighing in at 50 tons. The majority date to a range from 1150 to 900 BC. These heads have inspired awe in their discoverers, not just for their size, but the precise workmanship of their carvings. Enormous labor and organization would have been required to quarry and transport stone of such bulk, but extreme skill and delicateness was needed to shape the stone to recreate the soft curves of a human face, the puffiness of the lips, the dimple of the chin, the swelling of the bags under the eyes, the curvatures between the cheeks and the nose.

They have likewise fascinated among the general public, which has mistakenly compared them to Moai statues or Ethiopian noses. They're a symbol of regional pride, impressions of them scattered liberally about the cities and towns of modern Tabasco in logos, signs, and municipal websites. And yet, oddly enough, they seem to have been a chiefly or exclusively Olmec art - nothing like them has ever been found buried in ruins elsewhere, neither of their contemporaries or those of later cultures. Equally strange is that they appear very suddenly in the archaeological record - there is no known precedent for this extreme skill in masonry and peculiar (and apparently quite standardized) iconography. This is likely just because whatever antecedent there may have been was done in perishable materials.

The faces and expressions of each head are distinct, as are the finer details of the headgear, earrings, and other piercings, and some bear sparse iconography vaguely reminiscent of glyphic proto-writing, which the Olmecs would be responsible for refining into a true writing system by about 500 BC if not a bit earlier. Despite this we are missing some important context for how and where these heads would have been displayed and we aren't too sure what they were really for. Nonetheless, based on the headgear (which all 17 heads have, albeit with slight variations) some have interpreted the heads to be representing ballplayers, as they are a bit reminiscent of ballplayer "helmets" of leather and cloth in later depictions. Based on their uniqueness from each other, some have intuited that they must be portraits. The logic goes then that they may be portraits of ballplayers - or perhaps more likely, of rulers acting in the role of (victorious) ballplayers. Another notable feature is their large, flat noses, which may be a deliberate artistic choice to add a sort of feline (specifically jaguar) aspect to the portrait's faces, alluding to the "shapeshifting" abilities of priests, rulers, and gods.

Unfortunately while this is a reasonably coherent explanation, it is all based on anachronisms and unproven assumptions, so we can't say this is what the heads were for sure beyond any reasonable doubt. Most people's knowledge of the Olmec starts and stops with the big stone heads, but they had other long-lasting achievements. A more recent plausible explanation has also surfaced however, where the heads from La Venta and San Lorenzo (and presumably colossal heads in general) were actually re-carved "altars", which were actually probably thrones, that were then argued to have carved into the shape of a ruler's face upon their death. David Anderson has a thread talking about this here:

View: https://twitter.com/dsaarchaeology/status/1181255267620737024

So where most discussions of the Olmec are keen to stop at the heads, I'd like to elaborate on some other aspects of their society too, some of which have obvious descendants in later Mesoamerican cultures.
  • Step Pyramids: At La Venta, a major Olmec city-state center that flourished from 900 to 400 BC (the "Middle Formative" or also "La Venta period" as it kinda dominated the region politically for some time), in - and please forgive the archaeological names - Complex A, is a monument called ... Mound C (sigh) which stands as Mesoamerica's first-ever step pyramid, the beginnings of thousands more to be built in its likeness for the next 2500 years.
  • The Ballgame and rubber vulcanization: Excavations at El Manati in the mid-2000s found some intact rubber balls preserved in a nearby bog, dated to the Early Formative period. This obviously also demonstrates that the Olmecs were already vulcanizing rubber thousands of years ago (though evidence of this was already found elsewhere, just not necessarily in ball form). It remains an unproven, if somewhat likely, assumption that Olmec ballgames resembled those of later periods in their mode of play and ceremonial significance.
  • Tortillas and comales: People in the American Southwest and Central America know just how big a deal this is. Truly god's gift to mankind. For everyone else, a tortilla is a flattened piece of bread made from corn flour, and the comal is the specific type of flat gridle used to cook them. They can be folded up around whatever you want to make dishes we call tacos, burritos, and so on today. The comal survives archaeologically and where found it's generally taken to imply that the people who used it prepared and ate tortillas. To be clear, however, these pans and therefore likely tortillas predate the Olmec themselves, so it was not exactly an Olmec invention any more than the sling was. The significance here is the large scale production and consumption of tortillas (evidenced by the enormous quantity of comal pans found) may have contributed to their lasting popularity, spread around Mesoamerica (and beyond) in part thanks to the Olmecs' long trade routes. Oh, speaking of.
  • Long-range commerce: Earlier I alluded to how the Olmec heartland was situated far away from many important natural resources, particularly raw materials for construction. Jade, timber, obsidian, and stone for construction all had to be sourced from other people abroad, among other prestige goods. Jadeite was primarily sourced from the Motagua river valley in Guatemala, hundreds of kilometers away; we know this thanks to techniques like measuring isotopes. Yet the Olmecs are well-known and well-regarded for their craftsmanship in jade, making ceremonial masks, pectorals, and axes (which symbolized power over lightning). This perceived need to import prestige goods in such quantities despite great effort may have accelerated as much as been enabled by the increased social complexity of the Olmec world, as this is often a factor in the coalescence of a distinct elite culture and stratification.

    Far-reaching Olmec trade, rather than direct conquest or any hot takes about mother cultures, is presumed to be the means by which the Olmec influence worked its way through eastern Mesoamerica, creating networks of local elites who all have a similar "language" of high status, understanding similar customs (like the ballgame) and finding value in similar gestures of power, monumental architecture, and prestige goods. This trade was so important that changes in its course and abundance of materials in source regions seem to have aggravated political upheaval in the Olmec heartland, contributing to the decline of San Lorenzo at the end of the Early Formative and paving the way for La Venta's rise to power - though environmental factors like a volcanic eruption which diverted the course of a river didn't help. It was also no doubt an arena of competition among these elite to ensure access to these increasingly important trade routes. Which leads into...
  • Warfare and (probably) human sacrifice: That political competition between the various Olmec centers often manifested as warfare is made abundantly clear in art from the Middle Formative which depicts combat between warriors equipped with spears and large rectangular shields (we're unsure of the material). Some of the most informative such artworks are at Stela D (sigh) in Tres Zapotes, dated to the Late Formative (~400 BC). It depicts a political scene within the gaping maw of an animal, in which two figures stand, one with a spear, over a third who kneels to them. Stela A has another scene where one figure has a knife and the other a trophy skull. But Monument C (...) is the most unambiguous here: a number of men are shown wearing helmets, some in the form of animal heads, carrying large rectangular shields and all wielding spears or maces. One has been stabbed through the knee. (Skyrim joke here)

    In the Formative period warfare is generally regarded to have been very small-scale, fought mostly as raids for plunder, captives, or razing buildings to drive people away or subdue them as tributary dependencies. I talked about this a little in my Oaxaca effortpost too. Apart from war between the different Olmec city-states, it's also likely they fought against people in neighboring regions which were at a similar level of development. This may have favored relatively small parties of "noble" warriors trained and equipped for melee combat - which is probably why this is what mostly shows up in the aforementioned art. Archaeologically however what shows up most is evidence for slings, not melee weapons. Slings were usually made from maguey fiber and therefore perishable, but what survived the onslaught of time was their ammunition. Numerous Olmec and Olmec-influenced sites throughout the La Venta period, including Tehuacan, Chalcatzingo, Zacatenco, Ticoman, Gualupita, El Arbolillo, and Chalchuapa, have warehouses used to store quantities of mass-produced clay sling bullets. Despite their obvious importance and prominence, they are never depicted in Olmec art (that I'm aware of, anyway).
  • The Olmec religion: Lots of motifs common through Mesoamerica are even known as far back as the Middle Formative Olmec World; including the division between an avian-serpent god and a rain god who were responsible for weather phenomena. It seems as though the avian-serpent was encharged with transporting the rain, while the rain god was responsible for the precipitation itself, which came in 4 different forms, a familiar trend known across many cultures in later periods. Jade and other greenstones (also called "social jades") represented the beneficial kind of rain and were associated with lightning, a motif that lived on in later periods. The importance of a concept better known as a nahual, involving the shapeshifting to channel the powers of supernatural beings and well-known in later Mesoamerica, is probably also known in this time as first argued by Furst in 1968, based on the way some Olmec ceramic figurines are possibly depicting transformation.
  • Writing and calendrics: The Olmec are attributed the lofty title as the original inventors of a system of writing, the system on which all later derivations would evolve from, and more than anything else this may be their claim to fame. Unfortunately, this script remains more or less undeciphered today, even if we can be relatively sure what some groups of glyphs are trying to be (IE names of people or places) and some extent of how it operated, based on the scripts that evolved from it. While some attribute the Cascajal Block and its 62 symbols as the earliest evidence of writing among the Olmecs (and by extension the Americas) this has also been met with a lot of skepticism among experts as the symbols are unlike anything seen in any other Mesoamerican writing system before, including the inventory of glyphs we do know from later Olmec inscriptions. Even Stephen Houston, who originally was the one to praise it as a kind of "Rosetta Stone" for early Mesoamerican writing, seems to have recanted this and agrees with the earliest unambiguous example of writing on La Venta Monument 13, contemporary with the San Jose Mogote Monument 3 inscription (I covered this in a recent effortpost about the Preclassic Zapotec). To be honest I don't know enough about the specifics of this debate or even Preclassic Mesoamerican writing to feel comfortable giving my opinion on what exactly the Cascajal block is supposed to be, but I'll echo the consensus of the selection of papers I have on hand in ignoring it for this purpose.

    In that case some of the oldest known writing in the Americas accompany these depictions of what are probably rulers, between approximately 700 and 500 BC.

    Another bit, from San Andres ca. ~650 BC, depicts this bird with what may be a speech scroll, thus saying the name "(King) 3 Ahau (a calendar date)" likely in reference to an Olmec ruler. This is especially significant because it indicates that these signs were definitely not just iconography, they were written words that could be spoken, they were signs encoding language. Other speech scrolls are found in Late Formative artwork at Monte Alban and Kaminaljuyu.

    Other signs are also apparent. Some examples:

We also have examples of Olmec glyphs incised in jade axes and the like. One is this one from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, dated from the 10th to 14th century BC:
Some interpretation of what the iconography means:
Many incised Olmec greenstone celts show this kind of glyph-like iconography, ranging from naturalistic to highly stylized elements. An incised celt in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, for instance, shows a disembodied hand (including a carefully delineated thumbnail) and above it a bracket-mouthed profile face wearing a cross-banded headpiece surmounted by a deep cleft, out of which emerges a maize cob shape, itself sprouting three smaller plant forms. Here again, we encounter associations of the "Olmec Dragon," as an earth lord from whose body the crops grow, and of the maize god, signified by the cruciform sprouts emerging from the maize ear. Or, to be more precise, the image is more likely intended to represent not the deity itself but, as Joralemon says in his catalogue entry, a ruler/priest "wearing the divinity's distinctive costume" (268).

The name "Olmec" and its alternatives
You should know - they didn't call themselves Olmecs. Actually we don't know what they called themselves. 'Olmeca' is from Nahuatl, while these days the most likely candidate for the Olmecs would be the Mixe-Zoquean languages. Among their probable descendants are the Ayuujkjä'äy people and their O'depüt or Angpøn cousins, who the Aztecs called Mixes and Zoques respectively, hence the name Mixe-Zoquean, one of the major language families of Mesoamerica (together with Oto-Manguean, Maya, and Yuto-Nawan). Indeed some linguists and epigraphers would suggest many other languages in the Mesoamerican "Sprachbund" ultimately calqued or otherwise borrowed from Mixe-Zoquean languages for certain vocabulary.

Today these are prominent in the isthmus region, but in distant antiquity they seem to have been much more widespread, extending into the Guatemala highlands and perhaps beyond the mouth of the Papaloapan river. Some linguists propose the Totozoquean family instead, adding Totonac - otherwise a language isolate - to the Mixe-Zoquean family... uh along with the extinct Chitimacha language of Louisiana. I'm very skeptical about Totozoquean and so are my friends that know anything at all about Mesoamerican linguistics. Regardless, it's likely that Mixe-Zoquean speakers covered a lot more ground in Preclassic times.

Olmec is meant to mean "rubber people" and is an anachronism chosen by archaeologists in the 30s and 40s based on what the Aztecs called the inhabitants of the region the Olmecs once inhabited in the 16th century. This poses obvious problems; we are calling a group by an outsider's term for a largely different group of people. This isn't the only problem, however, as it leads to confusion. The problem is that there is a later civilization of Late Classic Central Mexico (and the Gulf) known from native chroniclers called the Olmeca-Xicalanca, separated by thousands of years from what archaeologists call the Olmecs. They're very cool in their own right, we'll get to them in another post I guess.

So Mesoamericanists have dabbled in trying to figure out a better name. To avoid confusion with the later Olmeca-Xicalanca, one alternative suggested is ... La Venta culture, named after the village in Tabasco where we first discovered and excavated the Olmec city-state center also called La Venta. People also don't like this name, mainly because it's boring and indistinct for a culture as seminal as the Olmecs were and it doesn't actually really solve the exonym problem. Another one is Tenocelome, which was first suggested in 1967 but it feels like only recently I see it occasionally being used, mostly in Spanish sources. To be honest, it has all the same disadvantages as Olmec: it's a Nahuatl-inspired term for a Mixe-Zoquean people who wouldn't have called themselves that. It's also a bit obscure outside of academia, so we're forced to specify that we mean the Olmecs in any case because that term became mainstream. The only real advantage is that it cannot be confused with any other Pre-Columbian Mesoamerican culture. Alas, it seems we are stuck with Olmec, at least for now.

The "Olmec Problem"
The "Olmec Problem" refers to the debate between Olmecs as Mesoamerica's "mother culture", wherein Olmecs politically and culturally dominated all their contemporaries, thus singlehandedly forming the precedent for all archetypal Mesoamerican traits, versus the "first among equals" or "sister culture" hypothesis, where their sociopolitical dominance is exaggerated and neighboring distinct cultural regions were at a similar level of social complexity at a similar time. In the latter case, they all together contributed pieces to the Mesoamerican whole. The former theory is a little older, coming from a time when there was a lot of scholarly enthusiasm about Olmec research which coincided with neglect for other Preclassic societies.

Although the Olmecs have long been touted as something like Mesoamericas "first" complex culture, they were not without antecedents. Rather than a sudden overnight development, the archaeological record firmly establishes the Olmecs evolving and developing gradually over time from previous traditions. Probably the most important one is the Mokaya culture, who were sedentary agriculturalists with signs of stratification contemporaneously or even a couple centuries before the more famous Olmecs. The name Mokaya is trying to be "corn people" in Proto-Mixe-Zoquean, and their centers (technically divided into multiple archaeological traditions) were situated on the opposite side of the isthmus from the Olmec heartland, including up into the Guatemala heartlands where they and the Preclassic Maya had a few altercations.

For those paying attention, you already know my stance on the Olmec Problem - my Oaxaca post goes into detail with the early Zapotec city-states of the Preclassic, who evidently developed in-turn with Olmec ones, and I could do similarly for Preclassic Maya ones. The "big sister culture" viewpoint is more or less academic consensus today, as investigation and in turn respect for their Preclassic contemporaries, trade partners, and rivals, has grown. In the end, however, Pool (2006) had this to say, urging us to be wary of the ever-looming need for nuance:

The problem is further complicated by some stirrings of what were possibly Olmec colonies founded by Olmec settlers in distant regions in order to secure trade routes that were so important to the Olmec elite. The big candidate for this is at a site Canton Corralito in Chiapas. But I'll have to cut this post short here, for now.

Sources:
- Current Research on the Gulf Coast of Mexico, Christopher Pool
- The Olmec World, or the "Formative Era Ceremonial Complex", George L Scheper
- Iconography of the Nahual: Human-Animal Transformations in Preclassic Guerrero and Morelos, Gerardo Gutierrez and Mary Pye
- Lightning Celts and Corn Fetishes: The Formative Olmec and the Development of Maize Symbolism in Mesoamerica and the American Southwest, Karl Taube
- Metropolitan Museum of Art's website
- Writing in Early Mesoamerica, Stephen Houston
- War and Society in Ancient Mesoamerica, Ross Hassig
 
But, well, it's right on Mexico's flag. They chose the Aztecs, as the biggest and most successful empire in Mesoamerican history. Well, they kind of also chose the Maya, whose centuries of continuous and independent resistance against the Spanish also happens to play along with their narrative (though, Maya resistance didn't stop with Spain; the last insurgency was in '94). Nonetheless, there is a kind of phenomenon in Mexico known as aztequismo that heavily emphasizes Aztec perspectives and (perceived) culture.

Seems like a human universal to do this whenever a dead empire is available, no matter how tenuous the connection or whether the people making the claim are the ones who killed it, like how both Russia and the Ottoman Empire have claimed continuity with the Roman Empire.
 
Besides the Third Rome was clearly Hapsburg Austria, through their imperial lines of descent from the Holy Roman Emperors and their leal protection of the city of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church under the Pope. Checkmate non-incestual-cousins.
 
I recently read When Montezuma Met Cortés, by Matthew Restall. I found it interesting, because it poked a lot of holes in the traditional narrative of Cortés' expedition.

To briefly sum up its argument: First, it posits that Cortés had much less control over events than he's traditionally ascribed. On the Spanish side of things, he was nominally in charge, but in practice the whole expedition was riddled with factionalism and there was a lot of bickering involved (the kind which occasionally resulted in dead conquistadors). For one thing, he didn't actually burn his ships– they were rotting from a lack of maintenance, so the Spanish beached them and salvaged them for useful parts.

It also argues that the traditional portrayal of Montezuma surrendering to Cortes immediately out of superstitious fear is a fabrication. It was a useful invention of the conquistadors, because it provided a legal pretext (however flimsy) for the occupation and annexation of New Spain. By claiming Montezuma surrendered, the Spanish Crown could maintain the pretense that the Aztecs were their subjects, and it was simply subduing a treacherous vassal rather than launching an offensive war against a foreign enemy.

Relatedly, it points out that most portrayals of Montezuma are drenched, knowingly or otherwise, in what basically amounts to pro-Cortés propaganda. Montezuma ruled for a significant period of time before the conquistadors arrived, so it seems unlikely that he immediately handed over the keys to Cortés, so to speak. I mean, he was apparently able to assemble and maintain an impressive zoo while ruling the largest empire in Mesoamerica.

It also suggests that Montezuma probably was not a prisoner of the conquistadors for nearly as long as they claimed. And in fact, it suggests that the reverse was true– the Spanish were actually sort-of prisoners of the Aztecs. Montezuma lured the Spanish to Tenochtitlan with various gifts because he was curious about them. And because he wanted to keep an eye on the conquistadors, which was a sensible move. For reasons that aren't clear, things turned against him eventually and he was killed (probably by the conquistadors), but the general strategy was sound enough.

In general, it takes the perspective that most of the initiative in the encounter between the conquistadors and the Mesoamericans actually came from the Mesoamerican side, not the Spanish. The Aztecs weren't overawed or overwhelmed by the superior technology of the Spaniards– arguably, they defeated the conquistadors. After Montezuma was killed, the conquistadors were driven out of Tenochtitlan with brutal losses. The Tlaxcala probably could have finished the remnants of the Spanish off, and the expedition only survived because they decided they could make use out of this weird marauding army. Which they did, quite spectacularly. And "use" probably is the appropriate word, given the relative force contributions of the Spanish and Tlaxcalans, it seems likely that the Spanish were initially the junior partners in the alliance, whether they realized it or not.

Wow, I lied, that wasn't brief at all. Anyway, the general picture it paints is that of Cortés and the conquistadors as more or less stumbling their way into victory and then lying relentlessly in order to protect their own image. I obviously found the book's argument compelling, but I'm interested to see what the actual historians in this thread think.
 
That's all generally a good takeaway, parts of which I discussed myself in this thread from time to time (see especially my post on Tlaxcallan). Matthew Restall isn't exactly perfect - I disagree with him about Late Postclassic demography (my main area of interest) and I'm sometimes a bit wary of his pop-history style of writing. Like I'm one to talk. But he does get the job done reaching a lot more people than I ever will and his book Seven Myths of the Spanish Conquest is highly recommended reading in my view. I've talked about it here a bit before; how the conquest really went down is a lot different than the conventional narrative a lot of people learn in school, which as you've seen is just infested with a bewildering amount of propaganda, colonial and "nativist" alike.

The Aztecs weren't overawed or overwhelmed by the superior technology of the Spaniards

One thing is that this really only comes up as an argument centuries later. The Spanish themselves don't really seem to think Mesoamericans were technologically inferior - at least not just then - actually they kept naming places after towns and buildings in Spain they were reminded of. The basic sentiment was in most cases Mesoamerica was "like Spain" and in the ways it wasn't like Spain then it was an impossible dreamland. Just read memoirs of how they reacted to Tenochtitlan - orders of magnitude bigger than any settlement in all of Iberia at the time. Most switched out any steel armour they had for some variant of ichcahuipilli, and the indigenous weapons that Bernal insists wounded and killed them in basically every engagement were feared and respected hence their new stat block in d20. Moreover, people today like to talk about the guns, but the conquistadors themselves mostly praise their crossbows.

And the stuff about adopting local serviceable technologies and reliance on crossbows sticks around long after the Conquest; it wasn't just a matter of desperation or limited resources during Cortez' expedition itself. The viceroyal army was making use of textile armour and crossbows into the 1600s, where Spain's European army was about as "modern" as it got. To add to that, they were for a time dependent on local Mesoamerican metalsmiths to cast bronze for cannons and the like. Well into the 1600s shipping and transportation was still done the way it had been done in Mesoamerica for thousands of years - by canoe and by foot, jangada sailing rafts accounting for most Pacific Coast maritime traffic for a while. The Spanish replaced the highest level of Mesoamerican market economics and tried to introduce their own coinage and currency system but most everyday transactions and even accounting were still done with cocoa beans (partly because of lack of trust in Spanish currency for what are probably obvious reasons)

So like with all this in mind, maybe I'm biased but I tend not to think one side was more "advanced" or "technologically superior" than the other, they just went down the respectively most optimal paths for what their perceived needs, and I hope I've illustrated this through posts here adequately. But most people today have a sort of linear conception of how "technology" works, some call Mesoamerica "stone age" as if to imply stone age people were literate metalworking urbanites with complex market economies and immense water management infrastructure projects living under state-level societies. This concept of civilization to begin with wasn't something the 16th century Spanish would have understood, it's a later (flawed) historiographical construct. Now, that being said, I do agree steel weapons and gunpowder are obvious military advantages, and had the Spanish landed with 20,000 men maybe we could say that this was a significant factor, but they landed with like 500 and got wittled down every skirmish and including a seriously costly defeat. It's hard to say any European weapon was a significant edge when 99% of the army that defeated the empire was using indigenous weapons and tactics. At the scale we're working with, steel's advantages over obsidian (which has its own advantages) when it comes to stabbing are just negligible.

Relatedly, it points out that most portrayals of Montezuma are drenched, knowingly or otherwise, in what basically amounts to pro-Cortés propaganda. Montezuma ruled for a significant period of time before the conquistadors arrived, so it seems unlikely that he immediately handed over the keys to Cortés, so to speak. I mean, he was apparently able to assemble and maintain an impressive zoo while ruling the largest empire in Mesoamerica.

Yeah, Motecuhzomah is remembered as being like overly hesitant or passive, or even kinda stupid for supposedly thinking Cortez was a god (he didn't) but he presided over a pretty important transition period in the empire's history where Tenochtitlan's dominance in the "Triple Alliance" structure was cemented further. He effectively placed a puppet ruler on the throne of Texcoco (though Jongsoo Lee argues this was done from the very beginning, I disagree with him on the grounds that all the evidence he presented is ambiguous and presents just as good a case for alliance as vassalage) which started a civil war there between the two claimants, one backed by the Mexicah and the other basically hiding out in the mountains being a nuisance until the Tlaxcaltecs and Spanish showed up for him to make an alliance with. And Tlacopan, well, it's the best Triple Alliance city by far don't @ me but it was long since politically irrelevant by this point.

The empire didn't last long enough to really complete this transition but contrary to the popular viewpoint that they were already kinda falling apart even before the Conquest it still looks like they were on the upswing, just having some temporary setbacks that they sooner or later probably would have overcome. Their control at the frontier was tightening, not weakening, and there was a bit of legal and religious reform. Cortez just happened to land in the one borderland where support was most tenuous in no small part because of Tlaxcaltec meddling, and admittedly this transition period was also politically fragile and opened gaps to be exploited by unforeseeable events. Of course there were also a couple failed military campaigns in that time too, and some where territorial gains got reversed, but well it be like that sometimes.

Of course the based alternate outcome would be both the Spanish and the Mexicah lose with no comeback in sight and we can go back to the multitude of competing regional hegemonies. God there's so much potential. You could have random Spanish captains and their contingents going rogue mercenary in Mesoamerica fighting for some king or another. Fuck that's basically all Cortez was doing to start with. Alas all the althist writers have the Aztecs win because they don't know Mesoamerica well enough to experiment with something else. And incidentally end up repeating tropes of colonial or aztequismo propaganda. But that's why I'm here. :p
 
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On local textile armors being used by the Spanish that really shouldn't be surprising given that cloth armor wouldn't have been something unfamiliar to Europeans as such armor had widespread use in Europe among common solders throughout the Middle Ages who couldn't afford metal armor only going into decline in the renaissance period and disappearing by the 18th century.

One thing I've noticed at least from Virginia colonial accounts of the 17th century is they often gave credit to their military successes against the natives to armor especially heavy armor rather to firearms and both cloth and steel armor of various types were listed in records as being in practically universal use by the Virginia militia though 1650 and by a minority until the turn of the 18th century.

The Virginia colonists also made heavy use of targets at least in the first half of the 17th century both imported from Europe and locally made and Chesapeake native groups like the Powhatan and the Massawomecs also made use of shields though their shields were made of bark or woven reeds rather than made of steel, leather or wood like the English targets were.

The Virginia colonists at least in the first half of the 17th century going by records actually had more swords than they did firearms as well as variety of polearms like Halberds, bills, and Partizans which were apparently largely regulated to garrison use than field use.

They also apparently had a lot of military pikes which pretty much saw no use as the pike wasn't much use in the warfare the colonists were mostly engaging in but were repeatedly supplied to the colony in case of an attack by a European power, though its naval counterpart the boarding pike apparently did see a lot of use.
 
Cross-posting something from AH.com:
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This particular post is related to Native American cultures more tangentially, as it pertains to a Polynesian culture. It's currently the 300th anniversary of the islands "discovery" by Dutch sailors. (And who knows how many more centuries before that saw the arrival of the natives.) You might have heard about all the eager claims over the years, that Easter Islanders supposedly had - or, wishful thinking, "should" have - DNA traces from the native peoples of South America.

Weeeelll... It's never been proven this was the case before European contact, and before the Europeans brought enslaved South Americans to Rapa Nui and, sadly, also took many Easter Islander into slavery or indentured servitude, seriously damaging their cultural continuity.

The Skeptoid podcast just did a great episode on a lot of the misconceptions and research grey areas pertaining to Easter Island.

There's a lot of "popular wisdom" out there, based on far-fetched and outdated hypotheses, such as "the locals deforesting the whole island, then turning to cannibalism" and other stuff. Things like cannibalism on Easter Island have never been proven, not even in the archaeological record, where you'd think there'd be at least some abundant finds as evidence for this claim. (This podcast episode doesn't touch up only on Heyerdahl's claims, but also on Jared Diamond's claims. Yes, that Jared Diamond, and his "ecocide" claims and local environmental determinism claims.)

Similarly, DNA testing of DNA from pre-contact skeletons has not proven that Easter Islanders had non-Polynesian, South American DNA before the 18th and especially 19th century. That would put the inclusion of South American DNA well into the post-contact period, when Europeans or European colonies in South America were actively interfering with the lives and even continued survival of Easter Island's native Polynesians. In short, it's unlikely that (as "Heyerdahlites" liked to claim) there was any regular or even irregular pre-European contact between the islanders and South American coastal cultures, and as a consequence, also no intermarrying that could have added more South America indicative DNA markers to those of the Polynesian Easter Islanders.


Does this rule out transoceanic contact between Easter Island and other parts of Polynesia with South America ? Not entirely.

If anything, though we still don't have ay real evidence the seafaring cultures of Pacific coast South America did any ocean voyages, there seems to be some evidence that Polynesian sailors occassionally visited South America, to do some modest trade on the coast, then leave. So, there might have been some cotnact, but contrary to what "Heyerdahlites" kept peddling for decades, it was not from South America to Polynesia, but more likely the other way around.

In addition to this brand new podcast episode, I can also recommend this very well done FAQ about Rapa Nui Polynesians that focuses addressing a lot of those "popular wisdom" clichés about the island, the natives and the known archaeological record and history.

I don't want to turn this into a Polynesian history, archaeology and ethnography dicussion thread, but Easter Island seems to be brought up often by the "They did have contact with South America, didn't they ?" crowd, so I've felt this is a good side-topic to address.
 
TBH if contact was had between Easter Island and South America, I figure it's probably the people with regional myths about how to sail on the open sea then the folks busy trying to survive in jungles where a big cat could pounce on you and vanish you from the sight of the dude walking not 5 feet in front of you with him none the wiser...
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A part of me is wondering now if the whole 'savages' ideal came from outsiders doing the island-hopping thing, and not catching on that they were dealing with effectively one BIG culture rather then a bunch of smaller ones that just so happened to look alike on a level that suggested something was up...But the folks doing the exploring didn't think to try and compare them to say, the oldest known cultures in European history at that point, which, admittedly, might not be the oldest known cultures *I* might say, but still manage to look significantly different, even at a cursory glance.
Marble pillars=/= stone pyramids=/= grass skirts&sailing large distances in tiny boats.
 
Umm...umm...
...you know there's more to South America than just jungles, right? Especially its west coast which was densely settled and urbanized? And even the jungles themselves weren't the stereotype you're currently painting them as?

As for your second paragraph, I have no clue what you're trying to say.
 
Umm...umm...
...you know there's more to South America than just jungles, right? Especially its west coast which was densely settled and urbanized? And even the jungles themselves weren't the stereotype you're currently painting them as?

As for your second paragraph, I have no clue what you're trying to say.
Spitballing as to how bad theories came to be. As for South America is more then just jungles...I would say in theory I do but in practice I kind of don't.
Like, I recall hearing that the Inca learned to navigate a wide variety of terrains, and I think there's some penguins that regularly migrate to the tip of South America but...
*frowns*
On a level I'm just picking items out of a travel brochure made of the few factoids I've learned, I'm...Not entirely sure how to turn those bits into a coherent VISION of these places, and trying to deep-dive into one facet leads me to loose track of the rest.

As for the second paragraph- my deal is it feels like there's a pretty solid 'tribal savage' look that almost feels like a mash-up of various cultures into a single whole, that's then stretched across an impressive amount of different terrains and areas.
That last sentence about marble pillars, stone pyramids and grass skirts&sailing were about different cultures that could have been argued to be primitive-
The first one was actually the Greeks, in an attempt to name a european equivilant to the 'tribal' era the actual 'tribal' cultures were stuck in.
Stone pyramids was actually the South-American one, though in hindsight I probably could have said something better since that could easily be taken to be me pointing at Ancient Egypt. The Grass skirts&Sailing was the Polynesians, and it's not great that I grabbed two elements to the one I tried to use for the other two but...
 
Spitballing as to how bad theories came to be. As for South America is more then just jungles...I would say in theory I do but in practice I kind of don't.
Like, I recall hearing that the Inca learned to navigate a wide variety of terrains, and I think there's some penguins that regularly migrate to the tip of South America but...
*frowns*
If you need a geographical crash course, check out a satellite picture of South America. The abrupt color change to the west is the Andes Mountains, which are on average drier (but still green in many places, not so much others) and colder than the Amazon to the east. In this region you'll find people living among rolling hills, steep mountainsides, or on the Altiplano, a steppe second only to Tibet in altitude. To the west, except for the wetter Ecuador to the north and Chile to the south (which has an environment more like northern Europe), you get to the coastal lowlands which are extremely dry, at least one place being one of the driest in the world, with cities like Chan Chan and Pachacamac testament to a thriving urban culture that lived solely off of irrigation from mountain canals. The Incas built roads through all of these environments, and while they also colonized and conquered parts of the Amazon, incorporating them into Antisuyu, jungle was a minority of their territorial holdings. Outside the jungles, jaguars are completely absent here. Not that they'd be a problem to begin with.
As for the second paragraph- my deal is it feels like there's a pretty solid 'tribal savage' look that almost feels like a mash-up of various cultures into a single whole, that's then stretched across an impressive amount of different terrains and areas.
To you? To others? To whom? That's what I'm trying to ask; these statements feel unnecessarily vague and without a semantic subject.

In any case, there are historical reasons that stereotype seems like a "mash-up", mostly because it is a mashup and it might have started as early as 1528 when people from the conquest of Mexico were dressed up in Tupinamba attire collected during the slave raids of Brazil, forever affecting the European gaze of indigenous Americans.
The first one was actually the Greeks, in an attempt to name a european equivilant to the 'tribal' era the actual 'tribal' cultures were stuck in.
So, one of the important part of decolonizing history is recognizing the impacts that colonial historians and anthropologists have made in the way that modern society thinks about things like political, cultural and technological complexity, especially the linear value judgment of "tribes to civilization" or "band-tribe-chiefdom-state" which isn't in formal use anymore. Put simply, our concept of "tribal" is very much a colonial one and one that was used by colonial powers to hastily brush over and apply a perspective onto a diverse array of people whose cultures they didn't feel necessary to study further. So in other words there is no "tribal era", nor was anyone "stuck" at any particular level. Cultures are always changing, just often in directions that don't resemble our own because unless they're in close contact, of course they don't.

If you're trying to track down the origins of the "tribal" stereotype, that literally has its roots in the "barbarian" stereotypes held by Greece and Rome, and Rome especially as a colonial empire upped that concept even further. So you might find the roots of that in Celtic Europe, whose stereotypes differed from reality whether you were an ancient Roman or even potentially a modern neopagan.
 
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Twitter thread is twitter thread, and I realize fhose can come wifh some grains of salt or generally only able to communicate so much through so little, but an overview and discussion of an article discussing urbanized livings and general infrastructure and living in the Amazon Rainforest being supported and substantiated and a thing that certifiably existed feels very much in the spirit of this websites thread.


View: https://twitter.com/dilettanterypod/status/1585708211956744192?s=61&t=lmS_rHjqRqF2CbWj3TVkmw
 
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Does @Pixlel or anyone else in this thread know anything about Metís history? I'm kinda curious about the origins of the Cree Metís in northern Alberta but some cursory research hasn't turned up much.
 
Here I am, back again with sharing more of my Quora stuff.

This one isn't so much a history lesson (though it can be) so much as a historiographical complaint.

In my response to the question "What are some examples of history done wrong?", I go on a 3,000+ word polemic against something I call the "Big Three" model, a style of map and a style of thinking that many of you may be familiar with (we may have even discussed it in this thread in passing), directly related to the "Mayincatec" trope:

Remember that one scene from SpongeBob where he looks at the Kuddly Krab menu and it's just salad and tea? That's this map.

It's extremely poorly defined, too; if you look harder at it than you're supposed to, you might find out it's never really consistent on what it's trying to be, probably partly because not even its creators really know.

Additional examples, for your discomfort:

I wonder what the Aztecs' greatest imperial rivals have to say about being reduced to "Mexican and Central American farmers".

The Aztec and Maya blobs are covering way too much ground…and that Moche portrait-pot has no business being associated with the Inca any more than a menorah is Roman.

I hate this so much. Everything in this image is either wrong or misleading. A fifth grader could have come up with a more informed take. Students had to take notes on this vacuous garbage.

I've also got one from American Prep where, in big blue text, it says "Big Idea: The Maya, Aztec and Incas were early civilizations who crossed the land bridge to the continents of North and South America". But it's got a big fat "DO NOT COPY" watermark plastered all over it, and even though I think I've got fair use as critique SV's image policy might not think so, so I'm not gonna. But I do wonder if they've thought about how weird it would be to say that the French Empire was an "early civilization that crossed the Pontic steppe from Asia into Europe".

The Big Three model has led generations of people, including certain strands of academic, to see the Americas as only containing 3 "civilizations" -- whatever that really means -- and seeing everyone else as little more than unorganized tribes not worth attention. Not only does this carry an unnecessary stigma against non-centralized nations, it also ignores the extreme wealth of kingdoms, empires, republics, and even more exotic and interesting political formations dotting the Americas. Many of which can not be ignored if you're really trying to understand pre-Columbian history. Doing my P'urepecha Empire boys dirty, here, and 8 Deer Jaguar Claw surely weeps in his untimely, possibly looted by now, Mixtec grave.

Of course, if any of you have played or watched Pixel's BoP: The Fifth Sun game back in the day and looked at his very well-researched Turn 0 map, you'd know just how flawed this line of thinking is (Note: that map makes some concessions for gameplay purposes but is overall quite informative).

And as far as political maps go, there are plenty of regionally-focused ones that, while many have flaws one way or another, do a vastly better job than what you normally get in textbooks:


Map of Mesoamerica and northern Isthmo-Colombia c. 1500 AD. In green are all the various sovereign Mesoamerican kingdoms that the author didn't assign a special color to. In yellow are republics (e.g. Tlaxcala) and other confederated entities, and in orange are towns and ethnic groups acting more or less independently from one another in a shared realm. Note that Teotitlan and the Zapotec-governed Za'achila are sometimes considered to be part of the Aztec Empire, and some of the orange territories (e.g. the Zoque) were organized into kingdoms.

A map of Opata "statelets" in grey. These were groups of towns that were subservient to larger capitals with powerful ruling classes. The Opata and their neighbors were one of the people that were the gateway of Mesoamerican goods into Oasisamerica and the rest of North America.

Map of the culture groups of Oasisamerica, a center of civilization based around the American Southwest, with a few (too few in my opinion?) major sites in blue and modern towns connected to ancient sites in red.

Different groupings of Mississippian civilizations in what's now the eastern U.S., but it's important to note that Mississippian culture continued well into the contact period.

Known Mississippian polities and major towns that Hernando de Soto passed through in 1540

Political map of Florida c. 1560, although many of these polities certainly existed in pre-contact times and the aquatic-based civilization they practiced is ancient. (From PovaliDRM on DeviantART)

The Taino cacicazgos (lands ruled by a cacique) of Hispaniola and Puerto Rico (Boriken)

The cacicazgos of Cuba and Jamaica (from AztlanHistorian on DeviantART)

Various societies of Colombia's highland civilization, famous for its goldworking techniques. Note that the Arawakan and Tupian polities in the Amazon aren't included here, nor unaffiliated farming communities throughout the other side of the Andes which are considered to have been highly populated.
Alas, as far as Americas-spanning maps of "civilizations" or cradles thereof, or fully fledged political landscapes, accurate versions of such maps have yet to be actually made. I even had to sloppily drum up a civ-center-area map in GIMP to show what one's supposed to look like. An Americas-wide polmap would be an immense undertaking indeed.

It may not be the biggest problem I have in education, but it's certainly a big one; one that has some substantial butterfly effects on how modern Indigenous people are treated, and it exemplifies my disappointment in academia in their inability to properly teach this topic.

Like, I went to a reasonably decently prestigious college, in a blue state even that does land acknowledgments so there's no excuse politics-wise (San Diego State University), and aside from like 3 classes that had 2 Indigenous professors teaching either Kumeyaay history or more recent Native American legal/economic history (these were very good), the material my college's departments had on pre-Columbian history was...pretty sub par, and absolutely included this model along with a lot of other outdated misconceptions. I learned more from Wikipedia and freaking Reddit on this subject than I did there. It's sad.

Anyway, feel free to check that post out if you have like 8 or more minutes to spare. Doesn't seem that long to me and I've definitely written longer, but that's what the math says...and the larger-than usual amount of Quorans who seemed upset at its length (though hopefully I've improved the structure a bit!). I...may have a problem.

I at least managed to release this lovable monstrosity into the world: a map of 15th century Europe if it had the same logic applied:

Now that's more like it. A Big Three for the good old Western Asian Peninsula (or WAP, as they say). Only the most important European civilizations here, we don't want to burden our poor students' heads with superfluous goat herders and irrelevant tribal warlords. God forbid students think that there were sovereign nations elsewhere. We've got:

  • The Frenchan "civilization", a bloodthirsty and violent people albeit the creators of rich works of art and monuments, lorded over (in a strictly hegemonic, hands-off, non-centralized way) by powerful and mysterious Spider Kings and Sun Kings,
  • The Romanians, often called the Romanian Empire, although that more accurately applies to their ancestors in ancient times who mysteriously collapsed (it's currently surmised that they died out from deforestation based on environmental evidence). Now these once great cities are left forgotten in ruins with the native inhabitants seemingly unaware of their original purposes (Colossal Stadium 1 at the Roma site, home to gratuitous performances of human sacrifice, had been repurposed into dwellings). The post-classical Romanians lived in a state of degradation and disunity, becoming fragmented into myriad small tribes, clans, villages and city states that engaged in unstable alliances and were often at war; they never again reached the glory of classical Romania. And, lastly,
  • The Sultan Empire: They were definitely the bigger empire out of the three, and also very rich. We know that they grew some different plants and raised camels, unique to their region, but other than that we don't know very much — that is to say, we can't be bothered to learn more because all the documents are in another language and the country that colonized them is sufficiently distant that there isn't as much international scholarship. Therefore, it's probably safe to say that they weren't all that different from Western Europe.
 
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