This is not an excuse. Mash and Arash could carry one master, but there would be no one to carry the third master - the rest are too weak for that. Calling Archer might help, though. It's a plot hole if they can summon Archer.
And also add modern weapons - a large-caliber machine gun would remove the threat of wyverns if they did not swoop in in the hundreds. With a total of 1000 wyverns, this would be an easy win. Also, some dragons and monsters are vulnerable to conventional weapons. Considering the presence of zombies in opponents, the submachine gun for the masters would be very useful.
This means that the bikes were supposed to appear on the next day of the singularity. Their absence is a plot hole. It would be nice to read the fic about the creation of Chaldea and a proposal to add security to Chaldea, purchase weapons, vehicles, a production base and hire instructors for magicians to teach non-core knowledge, as well as hire consultants on various topics.
This most likely did not happen - the transport of the rider class belongs to a noble fantasy and consumes a lot of energy and is very noticeable (mostly). There are also many riders without vehicles or with something that is not applicable as a vehicle.
You're forgetting Mystery. In theory modern machine guns should be able to kill animals like Wyverns in droves, in practice they'll probably be heavily resistant. It could be useful, but it's not going to be an I win button, especially since they've only got 3 people present who vaguely know how to use them, none of whom are actually trained to use them.
Please remember Taylor's nano-thorn knife, which has far more penetrating power than any gun could not pierce the scales of the one she killed, in addition to what memoryofglory said above me.
I do not forget. While this is a living creature and does not have special abilities, the machine gun is more than enough. Special abilities (such as protection from physical damage) or incarnation through secrecy, such as summoning a dragon through a noble phantasm, will invalidate ordinary weapons. Naturally it won't. But this is an easy way to deal with wyverns. Of course, training is desirable, as is the availability of transport for transportation, so this option is only for a normally prepared Chaldea.
Still, it is worth rereading the battle scene - the first blow was without activating the knife function, with activation the scales were easily cut through.
Rin had no problem getting around on a servant during the war. You may need windscreens for long journeys. For more comfort, you can strengthen yourself.
Nope she went for the eye on the second blow, not once did she pierce the scales.
The problem like memory said, even with force there wasn't enough Mystery. And if you think Shinjuku counteracts this, well I'm sorry to tell you but those weapons were specially made and enchanted by a Servant to hunt the beasts.
Read carefully:
A large caliber machine gun will do much better. And to poke a simple piece of iron with the power of a common man is useless.
It's worth noting Da Vinci worked on that knife. I wouldn't consider it an "ordinary" weapon, even without the nanothorn feature.
I'm sorry but what the hell kind of logic is 'while this is a living creature and does not have special abilities?' What the hell is a Mage then? The Noble Phantasms of summoned heroic spirits are not anywhere near the only source of special abilities. These wyverns may not be Phantasmal beasts, but they're still literally the children of Fafnir, who was summoned by a Holy Freaking Grail. They've got to at least be Monstrous beasts, which makes them canon fodder against Heroic Spirits, but a machine gun is a pretty massive step down from a Servant.
It was said about intermediate incarnations. But while the monsters have a living embodiment and there are no special abilities, then basically the same rules act on them as on people, simple physical strength is more than enough to destroy them.
She just fixed it. Without turning it on, it is just a knife and has the same properties as a regular army knife.
OK no, just no. The Wyverns are Phantasmal Beasts, in order to affect them, you need a greater Mystery. It's the same reason those machine guns you're so hooked on won't do anything other than annoy a Servant unless a Noble Phantasm or Magecraft is used to buff them. Taylor's bugs would have an equal effect on them, as the bullets. And that assumes there's no issues with transporting it and it's ammo.
What was said about intermediate incarnations? Where was this said about intermediate incarnations? Who said this about intermediate incarnations? Are you sure Wyverns are intermediate incarnations? Actually what are intermediate incarnations? I've heard a lot of Nasuspeak terms but that one isn't ringing a bell. Incarnation just seems to mean 'gain a physical body with magecraft' but I'm not seeing any evidence for that meaning giving up special abilities? Why are you so certain Wyverns lack special abilities? You seem to be claiming that anything with a physical existence is limited to the same basic physical laws as mundane people, but no? There's plenty of things in the Nasuverse that have special abilities while maintaining physical existences, most prominently being mages, and such beings only become more common the further back in time you go. The entirely spiritual existence of Servants is not the only way to have weird powers and resistances in the Nasuverse, or even the most common.
While this passage isn't enough to definitively prove how effective a machinegun would be against them, it's clearly portraying Wyverns as inherently magical and far more durable than Taylor expected them to be, even comparing it's durability favorably against Lung. Who starts as largely immune to small arms fire and quickly escalates from there.
Then Taylor would not have been able to damage the Wyvern. She had no secret, much less a big secret.
This is optional, you yourself answered your own question. Physical embodiment, magical or intermediate, have different laws of functioning. Servants - magic, Wyverns - intermediate, which allows you to use conventional weapons with sufficient efficiency, magicians - physical, the success of using conventional weapons against them has been proven by Kiritsugo. An intermediate incarnation may or may not include special abilities, such as the ability to be a mage or the existence of such a monster as wyverns or homunculi to be sentient. Separately, it is worth considering half-services that can switch between two types of incarnations - magical and physical. For example, Mash is invulnerable to conventional weapons in the form of a servant, but outside it is quite vulnerable.
Of course. There is nothing more to comment on this topic, especially when most prefer to create problems out of nothing, such as walking for a week instead of using servants for transportation, and this is given Taylor, who actively used super powers for transportation. I prefer when problems are not created for imaginary dramatization.
Tinkertech knife and magecraft
And under that standard Tinkertech actually has quite a bit of Mystery in both senses of the word.
So you admit that an 'intermediate incarnation' can have special abilities. So why the hell are you denying durability as one of those abilities? Especially when the actual text of the story which I quoted indicates that they are mystically more durable than they should be? And yes Kiritsugu can use guns to kill mages. You know what mages lack though? Magically enhanced dragon scales. And if any mage tried to reinforce their body to the degree it could stand up to gunfire he had his Thompson Contender to fuck up their magic. Again I'm not trying to paint them as basically immune like Servants or true dragons, but your belief that 3 heavy machineguns crewed by complete novices, only one of whom has so much as fired a handgun before, can slaughter wyverns en-mass is baffling.
Cause sergy is unable to stand not getting in the last word, he even sent me a PM telling me I'm wrong, I'm an idiot, and machine guns not killing Wyverns "breaks all the canons", he then blocked all replies.
Sca's profile lists her region as "Ireland."All I'm getting from this wee chat is that mystery boxes have the potential to be incredibly dangerous, and by all rights magi should have a pathological fear of game show hosts.
But yeah, seriously, this shouldn't be an ongoing discussion. Or at least, not ongoing here.
On an entirely separate note, something I meant to point out: Cú mentions in Chapter VII that Scáthach was "the scariest woman in Ireland", but unless there's something in FGO that changes it (and please don't let me know if it involves LB6 spoilers), Scáthach is from Scotland.
I'd normally not pick anyone up on such a small aside, because I know there are all sorts of other things to consider when writing a story of this scope, but, well... she's the only Scottish Servant in the game, y'know?
(Not counting her alternate versions, at least.)
Scotland itself, as I understand it, didn't become culturally or politically distinct from most of the rest of the Celtic tribes and nation states until long after Cu's era. Although the Ulster cycle itself is really more pan-Celtic in that it's culturally "everything north and west of Wales and England," and that was less distinct back in those days, in modern times, isn't it largely considered an Irish mythology?
I don't know why folks think getting carried by your Servant is a sure thing. The battle field is a 3d environment, and your Servant is but one entity on it. Luck is also a thing for a reason.
This is Rin we're talking about, so chances are she is merely tolerating it as necessity, or done something to her clothing for extra comfort. Archer also isn't wearing any form of traditional armors, let along platings. Ritsuka and Co are green enough they probably don't know how, or don't have the reserves for such like Taytay (who likely just never considered it).
