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Harry Potter and the Scabbard of Excalibur [AU]

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Urit said:
My point with Dimension of Platonic Ideals is that if the MoM made it a Dark Art to create a relic that open a portal to Dimension of Platonic Ideals we would have considered it a stupid law. But the magnitude of risks would not have been apparent to us until after we had unleashed mosquitoes on the world.
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... are you honestly telling us that we as a collective could not have figured out that creating a relic that opens a portal to the Dimension of Platonic Ideals might be very risky? or just generally some VERY sirius business? we want to do illegal stuff, not go full cartoon villain.
 
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KreenWarrior said:
If Lord of Hufflepuff is presented as literal enslavement then we've already lost the quest. I don't think it is, though, and think this is a false equivalence.
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I mean, what do you take that instinctive deference to mean in a world with mind altering powers? Instinctive deference that will increase by several levels if we are a Hufflepuff? You can attempt to excuse it whoever you want but we all chose to mess with the thinking of everyone in Hufflepuff. And Birdsie has since said this:

If you have any moral or ethical bone left in your body, you would insist on not going to Hufflepuff
to preserve what little scraps of selfhood those poor girls and boys have
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We've gone and well pissed on any moral arguments we could have made whether some people were aware or not. I think if there are even sacrifices involved with high level Dark Arts we can gladly ask for Hufflepuffs to volunteer to be sacrificed and they would rush to be the first one to offer themselves. A willing sacrifice should totally be fine right?
 
or u know we just don't sacrifice people which is part of the reason I don't have much interest in dark art cause sure on the lower it fineish but the higher you get up the worse morraly it gets until it get their and gesit goal is for us to go their too as seen in last update. Which is another reason I don't want to take the dark art one cause it make his job that much easier
 
incama said:
... are you honestly telling us that we as a collective could not have figured out that creating a relic that opens a portal to the Dimension of Platonic Ideals might be very risky? or just generally some VERY sirius business? we want to doo illegal stuff, not go full cartoon villian.
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I wouldn't have know it would be that risky. The same way I wouldn't have known the option
"[ ] Attempted Kidnapping! - A number of men in dark cloaks and skull masks sneak into the Dursley house at night and wake Harry up from sleep, ordering him to come with them. Before he can fully process what's going on, a number of men in dark blue robes appear and a fight breaks out! [Action Update]"
would lead to the death of all Dursleys and destroy the Protection his Mother's sacrifice granted Harry.
 
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Urit said:
My point with Dimension of Platonic Ideals is that if the MoM made it a Dark Art to create a relic that open a portal to Dimension of Platonic Ideals we would have considered it a stupid law. But the magnitude of risks would not have been apparent to us until after we had unleashed mosquitoes on the world.
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It seems to me that this is too much of an exaggeration, one thing is a portal to the platonic world, which probably exists in one copy and has not been studied, and another thing is, although forbidden, but still practiced dark magic, information about which is a hundred times more. Moreover, the greatest dark magician of this generation is ready almost with a spoon to share with us the knowledge that he has been collecting for decades, as well as to guide us through the bottlenecks where self-taught people come across.
 
Urit said:
I wouldn't have know it would be that risky. The same way I wouldn't have known the option
"[ ] Attempted Kidnapping! - A number of men in dark cloaks and skull masks sneak into the Dursley house at night and wake Harry up from sleep, ordering him to come with them. Before he can fully process what's going on, a number of men in dark blue robes appear and a fight breaks out! [Action Update]"
would lead to the death of all Dursleys and destroy the Protection his Mother's sacrifice granted Harry.
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and that's the thing, the story's tone is already so dark it's almost pitch black, hobbling ourselves does not change that in any way, shape or form. but now that we know more about the tone and we have geist to warn us of obvious traps and pitfalls all of us together can figure out what is risky ahead of time.

Gabriel97 said:
It's called Realm of Forms smh can't even get basic rihakuverse lore right
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sorry man, I'm a noob. I beg for your forgiveness.
 
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KreenWarrior said:
As I said, I have little interest in a world where flirting with the powers of darkness is something that can be done with no consequence. That includes finding a lack of appeal in "Oh, actually, there's no such thing as evil magic, the Dark Wizards are just a misunderstood faction and the Ministry is just as bad".
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There's no such things as, "magic without consequences," and especially so with the Dark Arts.
 
Fghubyygvb said:
If you seriously think about how the Hufflepuff Lord differs significantly from the weakened Amortentia, then both occur against the will of the objects of influence, imposing false sympathy on them. In the end, in the example given to you, the knights acted of their own free will in connection with their experience in our case, the power will act even on people whose experience and worldview do not imply respect for Harry, the only criterion here is belonging to Hufflepuff.
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The thing is that belonging to house hufflepuff isn't supposed to be some arbitrary selection but is supposed to be about innate, important qualities about the members of such house which is what it takes to qualify. We also know that the Hufflepuff blessing gaves us, or depending on how it works the choice meant Harry naturally had this quality enough for the blessing to apply to him, a absolutely absurd amount of dedication and ability to power through hardship in pursuit of his goals.

My suspicion is that much like the example I gave, the blessing allows people in house hufflepuff to pick up on these qualities, and that the sort of people who are able to get picked by house hufflepuff are the kind who would strongly respect those aspects and see them as things that mark someone as leadership material. That it becomes stronger if harry is part of house hufflepuff isn't suprising, considering one of the traits that hufflepuff epitomizes is loyalty and cooperation among house members to a even more thorough degree in this AU per Birdsie, so it makes perfect sense why the sort of people who'd get picked to be part of the house would show more deference to someone in the house itself with those qualities.

Does that make sense?
 
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Sara said:
The thing is that belonging to house hufflepuff isn't supposed to be some arbitrary selection but is supposed to be about innate, important qualities about the members of such house which is what it takes to qualify. We also know that the Hufflepuff blessing gaves us, or depending on how it works the choice meant Harry naturally had this quality enough for the blessing to apply to him, a absolutely absurd amount of dedication and ability to power through hardship in pursuit of his goals.

My suspicion is that much like the example I gave, the blessing allows people in house hufflepuff to pick up on these qualities, and that the sort of people who are able to get picked by house hufflepuff are the kind who would strongly respect those aspects and see them as things that mark someone as leadership material. That it becomes stronger if harry is part of house hufflepuff isn't suprising, considering one of the traits that hufflepuff epitomizes is loyalty and cooperation among house members to a even more thorough degree in this AU per Birdsie, so it makes perfect sense why the sort of people who'd get picked to be part of the house would show more deference to someone in the house itself with those qualities.

Does that make sense?
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This is a perfectly reasonable explanation, I just want to note that the student's desire plays an important role in the selection, which means that due to certain circumstances, a student may get into another faculty, and if this faculty turns out to be Hufflepuff, then the influence of Lord Hufflepuff will extend to him.
 
Fghubyygvb said:
This is a perfectly reasonable explanation, I just want to note that the student's desire plays an important role in the selection, which means that due to certain circumstances, a student may get into another faculty, and if this faculty turns out to be Hufflepuff, then the influence of Lord Hufflepuff will extend to him.
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If your refering to the bit about Harry telling the sorting hat anything but slytherin and stuff, I think even canon gets to this but it's been a while, but the interpretation i've always gone with is that it actually didn't influence the hats decision for Harry except insofar as it showed qualities that displayed canon Harry's gryffindor inclinations. Like being brave enough to brook convention by trying to choose his own house rather then let it be chosen for him as was traditional because of his poor moral view of their members and by staying firm despite the sorting hats feigned attempts to tempt him with the power being part of house slytherin could offer.


Had Harry done the exact same thing except with Gryffindor because he had a bad encounter with a first year who assumed they'd be apart of the dorm, I think the sorting hat would have still put him in Gryffindor not in spite but because of that same inclination they displayed.
 
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