Harry Potter and the Scabbard of Excalibur [AU]
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I'd imagine that even without all that all (even assuming that Dark Arts of such a high level require that) that whatever power with the Dark Arts we can gain will still be greater than the full potential of Charms + Astrology + AR.
I think that such fears are not unfounded, but this point is mitigated by the fact that dark magic is not a single school with a structure aimed at gradually overthrowing the wizard into the depths of hell. But rather a storeroom with forbidden things, where next to the Cthulhu summoning manual there may be instructions on tax evasion. That is, of course, there will be especially unpleasant sections in dark magic, but no one says that we should use them, you can just enjoy spells that were banned because of too much danger in the hands of ordinary people. If, in the end, in order to advance, we need to commit particularly dark deeds, then surely we will have the opportunity to mitigate the fee with the help of Astrology and Gnosis.
TaliesinSkye
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[X] The Lights In The Sky Are Stars
You-Know-Who unleashed mosquitos on the world which resulted in millions of dead children around the world. At the highest level of Dark Arts risks might be of that level.
Orion Ultor
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[X] Child of the Stars
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No shit. Magic at the high end is dangerous as fuck and you risk huge mistakes like Geist did when he created mistakes by messing around with conceptual ideas. This is true of any magic of sufficient potential that can reach that level. Being scared of the Dark Arts for that is just silly.
but that's the thing, if I haven't misunderstood anything, the DAs are only "Magics the government has deemed illegal" not just "Evil Magic" some of it is illegal for good reason, some are illegal for very stupid reasons or because the ministry has no way of regulating it. We have even been told that Aurors use the DAs constantly.
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This is not entirely true the curse on the name of You-know-who is probably the result of dark magic and Astrology, and mosquitoes are the result of irresponsibility and curiosity that forced Him to cross the idea of flies and spiders. In the end, I doubt that for creating mosquitoes, He received at least some increase in the dark arts.
As I said, I have little interest in a world where flirting with the powers of darkness is something that can be done with no consequence. That includes finding a lack of appeal in "Oh, actually, there's no such thing as evil magic, the Dark Wizards are just a misunderstood faction and the Ministry is just as bad".
Also, we know that there are genuinely fucked up and evil magics in the Dark Arts.
welp in that case you already got screwed whether we take DA or not, we have already been told that Aurors, you know... the cops, use the DAs all the time. that's just a thing that happens regardless of our choice to use them or not.
he didn't do that with the DAs, he did that by sneaking into the department of mysteries entering a random portal, and tripping.
We can choose not to engage with that aspect of the story, which is what I'm advocating for.
[X] Child of the Stars
I get that, but I don't think that's gonna be possible, the fact that it happens tells us a lot about the tone of the world. saying let's not engage with that feels to me kind of like saying "oh, all the cops do hard drugs in private but let's ignore that. for sure it won't have any consequences in the setting of the story". like, I'm not trying to be an asshole but I really don't think that's something we can just not engage with.
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So what would you consider more or less enslaving Hufflepuffs to be? Morally repugnant shit of the vilest level?
If Lord of Hufflepuff is presented as literal enslavement then we've already lost the quest. I don't think it is, though, and think this is a false equivalence.
I understand your position, it annoys me when dark magic is reduced to some kind of super-powerful school, which only fools do not use because of their blindness. But in this quest, dark magic is not so much flirting with dark forces as spells from different schools, which are prohibited for one reason or another, and in this collection of spells, an unwary magician may stumble upon dark forces that will pervert him. But, in the end, if all the dark magic itself inclined the user to evil, then the aurors would be psychopathic murderers. As for Dark Magicians, most of them have earned such fear for themselves by their actions, and not just by dark magic.
It was illegal for You-Know-Who to go into Dimension of Platonic Ideals. Even we would feel that it was a stupid law on the part of Ministry of Magic. But there was a very good reason why the Dimension of Platonic Ideals was forbidden. You can accidentaly unleash mosquitoes on the world. Often we may not realise the magnitude of the risks we are taking with Dark Arts.
The Spells Aurors are using is Dark Arts for common untrained wizards but it's not Dark Arts for trained Aurors to use in very specific situations.
The Spells Aurors are using is Dark Arts for common untrained wizards but it's not Dark Arts for trained Aurors to use in very specific situations.
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I kind of suspect, given the links to Arthurian mythos, it's kind of like how the right thinking knights of camelot were able to discern Arthur had the qualities of a Good and True King after he lifted excalibur and that their was honor in serving him.
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not all criminal activity is the DAs, almost everything in the Department of mysteries would be considered DAs outside of it but perfectly legal inside, what You-Know-Who did was illegal and irresponsible but not the DAs.
This is what we chose:
[ ] Lord of Hufflepuff
*All initiated Hufflepuffs are filled with an instinctive sense of deference towards you. If you happen to become a Hufflepuff yourself, this effect will be further intensified by several steps.
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[ ] Boy-Who-Lived
*Although you were famous before in the wizarding community, now you are an incredible celebrity; a minor form of messianic savior for the magical people of Britain who recognize your name, and something of a curious phenomenon to Muggleborn or fellow children who heard your story.
*It lends considerable weight to your actions and words from the perspective of certain people. Surely, whoever opposes the Boy-Who-Lived is also opposing conventional wisdom? However, some people will merely see this as a reason to go further...
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Lord of Hufflepuff alone would not be mind control but combined with Boy-Who-Lived it gets pretty close to a soft form of it.
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Solarstream
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I mean, randomly hitting someone with a stunning charm would probably be illegal due it to being assault but would probably never be considered 'practicing the dark arts' even in that context.
Edit: i'm also pretty sure their still called out as being dark arts when the aurors use them. From birdsie description spells are labeled dark arts for political reasons like any other laws that are made, but the actual act of doing so involves manipulating a enchantment of Merlin's that seemingly isn't context dependent.
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That is why we study the dark arts not alone, but with a mentor who has achieved unsurpassed mastery in this direction and will be able to protect us from monstrous mistakes.
My point with Dimension of Platonic Ideals is that if the MoM made it a Dark Art to create a relic that open a portal to Dimension of Platonic Ideals we would have considered it a stupid law. But the magnitude of risks would not have been apparent to us until after we had unleashed mosquitoes on the world.
If you seriously think about how the Hufflepuff Lord differs significantly from the weakened Amortentia, then both occur against the will of the objects of influence, imposing false sympathy on them. In the end, in the example given to you, the knights acted of their own free will in connection with their experience in our case, the power will act even on people whose experience and worldview do not imply respect for Harry, the only criterion here is belonging to Hufflepuff.