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Harry Potter and the Scabbard of Excalibur [AU]

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son et lumiere said:
How can you look at the stats and be indecisive? CotS is flat out better in every way with some risk being the only downside. :p
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We have 7 core classes we need to study/practice if we care about maintaining good relations with non-Hufflepuff Hogwarts staff. If we have to vote on what to train odds are we're going to focus on Trismegistus things as opposed to classes. I don't care about this side of things enough to make all my picks core subjects(Charms+Transfiguration+Potions is the idea taken to its logical conclusion) but I care enough that it's a consideration and 1 or 2 may be useful. (The first Rune Knight version used DADA after all and I considered Charms a potentially viable alternative to Battle Magic)

In addition, Dark Arts can only be safely used while assured of being alone or in the presence of Hufflepuffs/otherwise sufficiently trustworthy individuals unless you plan on killing all witnesses or something. It hides power under a bushel making it harder to use it to beget more power by impressing staff members or joining an adventuring expedition to ancient ruins full of hazards or something. But on the other hand, Child of the Stars has a sufficiently ridiculous looking potential rating we may not need that. On the third hand, I don't want to be Arthur Drake from Gardens of Enoch who used Conjoiner power shenanigans to reach a decently high Ordinal(Edit: Ordinalism is one of the Magic systems taught at Enoch's school) and barely went to class.
 
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[X] The Lights In The Sky Are Stars
a power you can use all the time without people restrictions > a stronger power you can only use in secret.
 
OctarineShrike said:
We have 7 core classes we need to study/practice if we care about maintaining good relations with non-Hufflepuff Hogwarts staff. If we have to vote on what to train odds are we're going to focus on Trismegistus things as opposed to classes. I don't care about this side of things enough to make all my picks core subjects(Charms+Transfiguration+Potions is the idea taken to its logical conclusion) but I care enough that it's a consideration and 1 or 2 may be useful. (The first Rune Knight version used DADA after all and I considered Charms a potentially viable alternative to Battle Magic)
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We don't need to do all that well with all the classes. The core classes are as follows:

Charms
Transfiguration
Astronomy
DADA
Herbology
Potions
History of Magic

Of those, Herbology and History of Magic we don't have to do well in. Yes, if we are in Hufflepuff we would want to be on the good side of our professor...but remember that are fucking with the minds of Hufflepuffs and as such she will likely be very receptive to us even if we are miserably failing her class. History of Magic....we have Geist for everything we need. That leaves Potions, Charms, Transfiguration and DADA as subjects that we would need to spend some time on. Very doable if we ignore useless time wasting such as Quidditch.
 
Barondoctor said:
a power you can use all the time without people restrictions > a stronger power you can only use in secret.
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It isn't as if we would not be able to use Charms. We just won't be spectacularly great at charms. Without Tris Charms we might be around Hermione's level or a bit slower than her. And Hermione is very talented as is. I would imagine that in most of the cases where we would need to use Dark Arts is situations where we. would be alone or with close friends/allies at least during the early years. Friends/allies that we should be making efforts to get them to accept the Dark Arts. And Hufflepuff friends naturally won't give a shit.
 
Switching my vote after reading kreenwarrior's post i find that i agree
[X] The Lights In The Sky Are Stars
 
If Child of the Star is chosen Harry'll have to be paranoid until he becomes too powerful to suffer the consequences of his actions from ICW and Ministry of Magic. This would probably lead to Harry becoming the next Dark Lord. I suspect many of the most powerful Dark Arts will require immoral actions on Harry's part. I'm not willing to sacrifice ethics for power. I also don't want to be in conflict with the whole world.

If there are Dark Arts that is suitable for Harry, he can learn them from Geist. I don't want to be committing increasingly evil actions for more power.

[X] The Lights In The Sky Are Stars
 
Dodorosi1 said:
Switching my vote after reading kreenwarrior's post i find that i agree
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I mean Birdsie himself already states that there would be moderate risk if we are not cautious and we have Geist around to help guide us away from any potential fuckups. So I'm not sure where the worry is except for perhaps when it comes to Harry's morals? Well...I don' think we should give a fuck about that given that we've Lord of Hufflepuff.

Urit said:
I suspect many of the most powerful Dark Arts will require immoral actions on Harry's part. I'm not willing to sacrifice ethics for power. I also don't want to be in conflict with the whole world.
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Don't want to sacrifice ethics for power but were perfectly willing to vote for Lord of Hufflepuff which fucks with the minds of every Huflfepuff? I think it's too late to worry about that when we've chosen to have Harry essentially enslave Hufflepuffs by his mere presence if he ends up in Hufflepuff.

And no, we don't have to be in conflict with the whole world. We can be like Palpatine and have no one realize that we are a Dark Arts user. Might be hard but well worth it.
 
... welp yah def all on Plan "The Lights in the Sky are Stars" I have negative interest in harry dark lord quest and before you ask I wasn't around for that vote and not everyone in thread voted for that option
 
It seems rather strange to me that people are afraid that the Child of the Stars will make Harry a dark magician. Since, in any case, Harry would use dark magic, it became inevitable at the moment when Geist agreed to give lessons on it. So sooner or later, the thread will vote for her to get a trump card up her sleeve. So in my opinion it is better to take a little more risk and get a huge reward than to go the same way without getting anything in return. And my last one in favor of the plan is that Harry, despite the hidden dark magic, will remain a very diligent student, which will make him head and shoulders above his peers, which is quite enough for a conformal life. For something extraordinary but public, ancient runes with astrolgia will remain, and dark magic is a weapon of last chance when there is no way out or a tool of subtle control.
 
From Birdsie:

Also some Dark spells can be used in public without worry, because some Dark spells aren't recognized as such, or are obscure enough that even people like Dumbledore wouldn't be able to tell.
As an example, there's a version of the Stunning Charm that causes the victim to fly off and hit a wall very hard, and causes their internal organs to rupture but makes it look like an accident due to hitting the wall.
And makes it so that any analytical spells say that's what happened.
"I'm sorry, Professor. I put too much power into my spell." [quivering lip] "I didn't mean to kill them."
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Also, Birdsie mentioned a bit about the Power scale:

Projected power past graduation
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So if Power stat means the power that we would be expected to reach after graduation...then the power for Child of the Stars past graduation is greater than the Potential of The Lights In The Sky Are Stars. Yeah. The difference is that huge.
 
Fghubyygvb said:
It seems rather strange to me that people are afraid that the Child of the Stars will make Harry a dark magician. Since, in any case, Harry would use dark magic, it became inevitable at the moment when Geist agreed to give lessons on it. So sooner or later, the thread will vote for her to get a trump card up her sleeve. So in my opinion it is better to take a little more risk and get a huge reward than to go the same way without getting anything in return. And my last one in favor of the plan is that Harry, despite the hidden dark magic, will remain a very diligent student, which will make him head and shoulders above his peers, which is quite enough for a conformal life. For something extraordinary but public, ancient runes with astrolgia will remain, and dark magic is a weapon of last chance when there is no way out or a tool of subtle control.
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One of my fears with Dark Arts Trismegistus is that as Harry grows more powerful immoral actions or actions that may endanger innocent people will be required to utilise the Dark Arts. If the thread is not willing to commit these actions (eg. sacrifice infants for a Dark Ritual) we may not get as much utility from the Dark Arts at the higher levels.
 
[X] Child of the Stars
It is objectively better, if we are smart enough to manage the risk. In my opinion being opposed to HIM without taking DA is riskier then the 2 stars of risk DA brings
Edit: we can still get a lot out of DA with 0 moral compromise for example Birdsie said that we could enhance our body to the point in which we can punch through concrete or have a strong enough grip on our wand as to make us immune to the dis-wand Charm with out sacrificing our morals
 
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Urit said:
One of my fears with Dark Arts Trismegistus is that as Harry grows more powerful immoral actions or actions that may endanger innocent people will be required to utilise the Dark Arts. If the thread is not willing to commit these actions (eg. sacrifice infants for a Dark Ritual) we may not get as much utility from the Dark Arts at the higher levels.
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It's worth keeping in mind the Dark Arts are spells which are illegal - as Sera's argument earlier stated, there is a certain grayspace in that category. As an example, when I say the word, "criminal," many associations come to mind, often ones that are bad, but it can range from criminals who have received jaywalking tickets for improperly crossing the road on the way to the store, to people who have committed child murder, to people who attempted to leak government secrets about illegal and ethically dubious human experimentation on children. The category of 'illegal' is broad.

- Geist.
 
Birdsie said:
It's worth keeping in mind the Dark Arts are spells which are illegal - as Sera's argument earlier stated, there is a certain grayspace in that category. As an example, when I say the word, "criminal," many associations come to mind, often ones that are bad, but it can range from criminals who have received jaywalking tickets for improperly crossing the road on the way to the store, to people who have committed child murder, to people who attempted to leak government secrets about illegal and ethically dubious human experimentation on children. The category of 'illegal' is broad.

- Geist.
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I'm concerned that at the upper levels most Dark Art are equivalent to "child murder" or "ethically dubious human experimentation on children" rather than "jaywalking".
 
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