Thanks for the post. It explains why you wouldn't want to take Enchantment with Ancient Runes but doesn't resolve my main concerns for the subject in a combat situation. It does mention that it would take a lot of time to learn Runes well enough to alter reality.
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OctarineShrike
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Which part are you referring to for the Alter Reality part?
But yeah you need mastery of ancient runes and a plan such as Rune Knight's to use them in a combat situation.
Edit: Possibly less than mastery if you can trigger runes with your feet
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In my opinion all Trismegistus picks take time, study, and practice to get rolling, but in a combat situation Runes would have us win or lose a fight before the fight even begins due to how powerful our preparation would be. It would just be a matter of making a Runic wand to create any effect we desire. Add astrology into the mix and we can win wars without having to step forth into any battle
Edit: just remembered some earlier thread discussion about how Astrology is capable of creating If attacked Then summon wall to block attack statements and if so then Astrology + Runes would do a way better job at that then Charms + Astrology would be, for Runes could carve such statements into the stars and Runes would be much more flexible with the statements then any other magic would be. It would allow us to have effectively any Rune on us even if we happened to be naked at the time so long as we carved said Rune in the stars ahead of time is there any thing that would make such an idea impossible
Edit: just remembered some earlier thread discussion about how Astrology is capable of creating If attacked Then summon wall to block attack statements and if so then Astrology + Runes would do a way better job at that then Charms + Astrology would be, for Runes could carve such statements into the stars and Runes would be much more flexible with the statements then any other magic would be. It would allow us to have effectively any Rune on us even if we happened to be naked at the time so long as we carved said Rune in the stars ahead of time is there any thing that would make such an idea impossible
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I definitely would not go as far as that. Charms is varied and potent but there may certainly be limitations to Ancient Runes that absolutely do not make it a good choice in situations that something like Charms would. It's another way to doing things with limitations of its own.
True I do imagine that Runes would struggle at summoning birds, turning ravens into tables or at creating the Patronus
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To do anything with a Rune you have to create the runes. That means thinking up all the runes you need and how to structure them to get the effect you need. Say you prep runes before-hand for a combat situation. You better hope that you prep the runes for all variations of a situation you will encounter and that you have enough to them to last for the duration of a conflict. Even with Divination I imagine that we will not get accurate information for how a battle will go. We would have to be able to react on the fly well and Runes just isn't that good at that.
From the looks of things Runes don't wear off given how Birdsie described how a runic broom would be better then an enchanted one. That is to say runes are certainly not consumable items like potions are. I also feel like that we would not need to know exactly how a battle would go for us to be able to prepare a number of runic equipment to help us in any number of situations but yes for on the fly reaction based problem solving Charms would be better if we don't already have the tools needed to overcome the problem on us.
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I would expect the kidnapping attempt to have Rune based Magic if runes were so predisposed towards combat. It seems to me combat is based on rapid, flexible spellcasting via charms or transfiguration. Maybe they used Runes before they engaged in battle but that's a big maybe.
Moreover any opponent will first target your runes when engaging in combat.
Moreover any opponent will first target your runes when engaging in combat.
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Fair enough I am just speaking whatever ideas come to mind about how Runes could work at a higher level
Edit: that will not be an issue due to how Runes don't necessarily have to be visible in order to work given how the runic broom would work as described by Birdsie and how the combat system is already based on destroying the other wizard's wand
Edit: that will not be an issue due to how Runes don't necessarily have to be visible in order to work given how the runic broom would work as described by Birdsie and how the combat system is already based on destroying the other wizard's wand
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Could you expand on Battle Magic? Does it cover enhanced reflexes, enhanced speed, enhanced perception? Does it cover curses, jinx, hexes? Does it include detection of poisons, emergency healing? Are there mental conditioning techniques that allow a wizard to engage in a battle calmly? Does it cover protection against Legilimency? (I remember Snape using Legilimency against Harry in canon.) Does it cover Communication spells to co-ordinate during an attack? Illusion spells to disguise yourself? Magic to prevent tracking(lose a tail) by other Wizards? etc.
What are the properties of a combination of Astrology, Ancient Runes and Battle Magic as trimegistus? What woild Harry be capable of with this pick in Year 1, Year 3, Year 5, Year 7?
Could you expand on Battle Magic? Does it cover enhanced reflexes, enhanced speed, enhanced perception? Does it cover curses, jinx, hexes? Does it include detection of poisons, emergency healing? Are there mental conditioning techniques that allow a wizard to engage in a battle calmly? Does it cover protection against Legilimency? (I remember Snape using Legilimency against Harry in canon.) Does it cover Communication spells to co-ordinate during an attack? Illusion spells to disguise yourself? Magic to prevent tracking(lose a tail) by other Wizards? etc.
What are the properties of a combination of Astrology, Ancient Runes and Battle Magic as trimegistus? What woild Harry be capable of with this pick in Year 1, Year 3, Year 5, Year 7?
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OctarineShrike
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Speculation: Battle Magic is the ability to physically train yourself, and the combat instincts that let you use your magical resources competently in battle as opposed to overthinking/choking. You get better results from physical training and go from civilian to Hit Wizard in 1 year as opposed to 4 or something instinctwise when it comes to life threatening situations.
Imagine how the astrology, runes and dark arts would've worked with the Slytherin or Ravenclaw perks...
Gabbie
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Imagine how anything, school subjects included, would work with the Hufflepuff perk of having infinite willpower.
It is but the purview of the Noblest of Arts, the magnificent and most high Praxis. Cut that which cannot be cut, push through constantly. Survive, grow strong, and the world will bend to your whim.
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Nah. You'd get an advance on the early stuff, maybe. The physical and mental parts. But where a normie would have to evolve to evolve to evolve, you're going to hit a wall if you learn to lean on hard work being easy.
The praxis is just the hero's journey as a magic system. Priority is hoarded for its prestige, but the praxis exalts nothing but rising above oneself. Tomorrow is victory over lesser men.
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Hard work doesn't become easy. It'll still tire us out, exhaust us and whatnot - we can just push through no matter what. That's the purview of the Lord of Hufflepuff.
Slytherin has funky blood that's amazing for rituals and Ravenclaw has the eidetic memory, spell invention and seer abilities, both of which are more suitable for the particular combo in the lead.
The Hufflepuff perk is compareatively lacking in terms of pure magical output and capacity, with its advantages lying elsewhere.
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I disagree. And here's my theory on why.
Where do you think magical stamina comes from? Probably willpower. Where a Slytherin or a Ravenclaw can cast supremely powerful spells, we can throw five good ones.
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Nope. It's the screams of all the poor Hufflepuffs whose freewill we are subverting. Pray that we don't go to Hufflepuff or no Hufflepuff will be anything but a puppet before us. Us not remembering the screams is a coping mechanism. /probably
There is nothing to support the idea that Hufflepuff gives us more "magical stamina" or that it's even a thing (though it probably is)
[X]Hook, Line, Sinker
[X]Plot, Derailed
[X] Philosopher's Stone...
[x] Plan "The Lights in the Sky are Stars"
-[x] Astrology
-[x] Charms
-[x] Ancient Runes
[X]Plot, Derailed
[X] Philosopher's Stone...
[x] Plan "The Lights in the Sky are Stars"
-[x] Astrology
-[x] Charms
-[x] Ancient Runes
What is the weakness of AR + Astrology. I would say that their greatest weakness would be the lack of direct combat applicability. As such the most important thing our third slot should do is provide us are ways to not die if we get ambushed while also providing synergy with AR and Astrology. Charms would give us plenty of combat versatility but DA is the subject with the most versatility. I feel that while Charms is good at combat DA is amazing at combat. What little bits of what DA is capable of gives us plenty of methods of not dieing even if we get ambushed. Like for instance the physical buffs DA is capable of would allow us to tank many blows that would otherwise incapacitate us. Or the wound transference spell could have us out right not get hurt when attacked. Lastly due to how DA is a smaller subject then Charms we would progress faster in DA then we would Charms thus allowing us to access the spells that might save our life sooner. The biggest downside to DA is how it is illegal doesn't matter if we are going to die if we are not strong enough to survive without it.
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It covers the use of any (and all) spells towards battle/combat applications, plus what the blurb says.