Christ EX3 might be the most painful game possible to roll like dog shit over and over. We rolled so bad our ambush got fucked and we were getting so pissed off. That our ST waved usual retreat rules and let us run away narratively. My Air DB took a arm loss from that and left the party in a huff of rage, going back to her demon allies.

Now rolling in as a combat optimized Dawn.
 
Christ EX3 might be the most painful game possible to roll like dog shit over and over. We rolled so bad our ambush got fucked and we were getting so pissed off. That our ST waved usual retreat rules and let us run away narratively. My Air DB took a arm loss from that and left the party in a huff of rage, going back to her demon allies.

Now rolling in as a combat optimized Dawn.

On the opposite end of things, I botched twice last session. The first time was a perception roll I flubbed so badly that instead of noticing all of the lumberjacks had red armbands, I got lost alone in the woods. The second time got me ambushed by a greenmaw. While I was still alone from aforementioned perception roll. Cue me losing Join Battle (by ONE), getting grappled by the Greenmaw's sticky tongue thing (was a charm, forget the name), and then savaged so hard I crashed immediately. The others showed up right after I managed to recover and crash *it* in turn, and the GM ruled that against 4 dragon-blooded a crashed elemental stood no chance. Fight over.

And then we noticed that our sorcerer was missing because she'd botched her survival roll to track me down.
 
Hey, I am putting together a infernal exalted based on Aleph and ES's game/hacks as a narrative exercise and I would like to know how Principles are sapposed to be worded/work for a character please and thanks.
I also do not have access to any source books for exalted just so people know.
Edit:is this the right place to ask this?
 
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On the opposite end of things, I botched twice last session. The first time was a perception roll I flubbed so badly that instead of noticing all of the lumberjacks had red armbands, I got lost alone in the woods. The second time got me ambushed by a greenmaw. While I was still alone from aforementioned perception roll. Cue me losing Join Battle (by ONE), getting grappled by the Greenmaw's sticky tongue thing (was a charm, forget the name), and then savaged so hard I crashed immediately. The others showed up right after I managed to recover and crash *it* in turn, and the GM ruled that against 4 dragon-blooded a crashed elemental stood no chance. Fight over.

And then we noticed that our sorcerer was missing because she'd botched her survival roll to track me down.
I know the feel. We are just down bad enough right now that my previous character is off the become the probable BBEG and we got two different wyld hunts on our ass in the middle of a desert infested with angry dragon blood with no towns in 200 miles.

WE DOWN BAD BRUH
 
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i absolutely love your version of Sacheverell and it is now my new headcanon. well, that and he is able to manipulate fate to a limited degree. his waking up wont cause the samsara apocalypse like in canon, but he is the closest thing the yozi have to a loom of fate. which give the yozi even more incentive to keep him sleeping, as by the dictates of the surrender oaths things can only get worse. not even she who lives in her own name or celycene know what would happen should Sacheverell wake up long enough to impose fate upon there prison, but nobody wants to find out.
 
Making Getimians
One thing I have noticed in several conversations with about Getimians is how to make them.

More precisely, in world of exalts, people have trouble conceptualizing heroes who would be capable of changing the world without being exalted themselves.

Now, obviously, the best answer is that exalted are few and far between, and so their existence won't invalidate the average, every day heroism of mortals. Regular people still can cause changes.

But that advice is also not very helpful to a lot of people, so I thought I would offer to alternative solutions to creating a concept for a Getimian.

Almost a Solar
At their core, both Solars and Getimians are human heroes. They are the great men and women on whom the wheel of history turns. They are your Bismarks and Caesers and Lincolns and Solomons.

The difference is, when you make a Solar you are exalting one of these great people at the beginning of their career and raising them to new heights, while a Getimian only received their exaltation when the world where their greatness had manifested was taken from them.

To take an example, Solar Alexander is exalted at the beginning of his career, and you the player now get to lead him on a path of conquest that far exceeds his historical achievements.

Getimian Alexander however, is exalted at his deathbed, when he is whisked away to a world where he never existed and is forced to see all his achievements undone.

So how do you use this knowledge to make a Getimian?

Simple, take a Solar Character concept (such as President Who Ended Slavery) and tone it down. Maybe they achived their goal, but only at significant cost or their heroic deeds were limited in scope to a single geographic area. Solar!Lincoln ended slavery by convincing the south of the immorality of slave ownership and convincing them to end the practice of their own free will. Getimian was merely a mortal, and was forced to resort to war. Solar!Alexander truly conquered the world, but Getimian Alexander never got further than India. Etc.


Example Characters: Alexander. Lincoln. Medea. Soloman. Bismark. Joan of Arc.

Small Acts Change History
Alternatively, maybe the Getimian is not a Great Man or Women at all.

Perhaps they are merely a good one, who was great when it mattered.

Instead of focusing on some great, epic change brought on by the Getimian's actions, you can focus instead on a single (or multiple) intimate act which changed the course of history.

The soldier who held the line when things looked bleak, and thus saved the battle that saved the war. The doctor who caught the plague early, and prevented its spread. The man who stood up to a tyrant, and inspired others to do the same.

Small acts individually, but the loss of any of them spirals out to change the world. Without the Getimian, a lost battle turns into a lost war into a lost country. A local disease turns into a plague which ravages a direction. A tyrant cements his grip on a people, and their hope dies.

Example Characters: There's lots, but honestly none will ever be as good as Dan Turpin standing up against Darkseid, so I will just link that here.




It's a Wonderful Life
Of course, a big touchstone of Getimians is the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" where a man wishes he was never born, and gets to see the terrible fallout of such a thing. In that movie, he performed no great deeds to shake the heavens, rather his small everyday kindness rippled out through the world and changed the course of history.

Following in that vein, rather than try and make the Getimian a Great Man of History, instead focus on who he helped, and the lives of the people he touched. Focus on his interpersonal relationships, and how those rippled out to change the world.

Maybe he was kind when cruelty was tolerated, and so inspired kindness in another. Maybe he gave food to a beggar boy, and that boy grew to stop an invasion.

In this case, the focus is not on the Getimian in general, but rather a meditation on the worth of any life, and how the lost of even one person is a tragedy for the world.

Example Characters: Just go watch It's a Wonderful Life

I'm a Side Character in Someone Else's Fantasy?!
Lastly, if you like to view exalts as the "Main Characters" of the line, than one final origin comes to mind for Getimians. The side character. Rather than being a hero in your own right, maybe your Getimian was the heroic mortal friend/ally/lover of the "true" hero, and now they get to see a world where the two of them had never met.

Maybe that Dragonblood you served died young, because you weren't there to guard there back. Or maybe they're better off and you have to live with your knowledge that your life made your friend's life worse.

Example Characters: Usopp from One Piece, one of the girls in a harem comedy, Casca from Berserk, Xander from Buffy.

One-in-A-Million Happens all the time
Sometimes, one in a million chances happen. Sometimes, people get lucky. Sometimes, everything just lines up and a Mortal Hero is able to do what even an Exalt can't accomplish.

For a normal mortal, conquering the Realm or defeating a deathlord in single combat or inventing or winning the games of divinity is impossible. Or, nearly so at least.

Technically, if everything goes right anything is possible. The Realm could be struck by a plague that miraculously only strikes down people opposed to our mortal hero. That Deathlord he is facign could slip and impale himself on his own sword. The Incarna may be so focused on stopping each other from winning that they completely ignore that ignorant mortal as he racks up points.

Ridiculous coincidences and strings of luck so consistent would never happen in our creation.

But they could. And the Getimian can be plucked from one of these hypothetical creations. From a world where by skill and cleverness and pure dumb luck, they have managed to achieve the impossible.

So make whatever character concept you want. As long as everyone at the table is fun then you can justify it as merely improbable, not impossible odds.

After all, we don't read about the hero who died from an unlucky arrow in the throat. We read about the one for whom everything went right. The one who emerged the victor.


Hey, I am putting together a infernal exalted based on Aleph and ES's game/hacks as a narrative exercise and I would like to know how Principles are sapposed to be worded/work for a character please and thanks.
I also do not have access to any source books for exalted just so people know.
Edit:is this the right place to ask this?
Principles are the same as intimacies, they represent something important to you. They could be love for your spouse, or a commitment to justice or anything else.

They are rated from 1-5, with 1 representing a passing fancy, and 5 representing something you would die for.

Here's a helpful list:
1: Passing Fancy
2: A preference.
3: Something as important as being comfortable to the average person.
4: Willing to suffer for this principle
5 Willing to die for this principle

All that said, you should probably get the books if you are going to make an infernal.
 
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Simple, take a Solar Character concept (such as President Who Ended Slavery) and tone it down.
I don't really agree with this take, honestly. Even if you're leaning hard into the 2e insistence that "every Exalt must have a HUGE goal!", your average Getimian is going to have accomplished much more than most Solars at the character concept stage will have. They're a mortal hero who did enough that their birth, or lack thereof, materially changes the setting -- you don't need to overthink that too much.
 
I don't really agree with this take, honestly. Even if you're leaning hard into the 2e insistence that "every Exalt must have a HUGE goal!", your average Getimian is going to have accomplished much more than most Solars at the character concept stage will have. They're a mortal hero who did enough that their birth, or lack thereof, materially changes the setting -- you don't need to overthink that too much.
I really appreciate this feedback because it shows I wasn't clear here and need to rewrite it a little bit.

Basically what I was trying to say was... hm.

So you pick a character concept (like Alexander the Great). For a Solar, you start at the beginning of Alexander's story and supercharge it with Solar Essence. Whereas for a Getimian, you start at the end of Alexander's (non-solar powered) journey, when all of his history and accomplishments are torn away from him and he has to live in a creation where he never existed.

Does that make more sense?
 
I really appreciate this feedback because it shows I wasn't clear here and need to rewrite it a little bit.

Basically what I was trying to say was... hm.

So you pick a character concept (like Alexander the Great). For a Solar, you start at the beginning of Alexander's story and supercharge it with Solar Essence. Whereas for a Getimian, you start at the end of Alexander's (non-solar powered) journey, when all of his history and accomplishments are torn away from him and he has to live in a creation where he never existed.

Does that make more sense?
A bit, although what I'm really objecting to is just like... Advising people to tone down the concept in that way compared to an extremely hypothetical Solar. Sure, it's not likely that someone might manage to conquer an entire direction, but it's possible, and you're from the one possible future where it did happen, probability be damned. Any others where you tried and failed without accomplishing anything can't produce a Getimian to begin with.
 
A bit, although what I'm really objecting to is just like... Advising people to tone down the concept in that way compared to an extremely hypothetical Solar. Sure, it's not likely that someone might manage to conquer an entire direction, but it's possible, and you're from the one possible future where it did happen, probability be damned. Any others where you tried and failed without accomplishing anything can't produce a Getimian to begin with.
That's a fair cop.

Do you mind if I include it in the essay as a method? I don't want to steal ideas without permission
 
Maybe that Dragonblood you served died young, because you weren't there to guard there back. Or maybe they're better off and you have to live with your knowledge that your life made your friend's life worse.

Example Characters: Usopp from One Piece, one of the girls in a harem comedy, Casca from Berserk, Xander from Buffy.
...Chaz from Vertigo Hellblazer would be perfect for this origin.
 
Sure, go ahead. I hope I'm not coming across as too negative, here.
You're really not. What you offered was like, the most mild and polite form of criticism.

And honestly, I really do appreciate it. Even if I didn't innately enjoy arguing, criticism is how our ideas grow. Your explanation for why/how a mortal could conquer a whole direction (yeah the probability is low but the Getimian is from the universe where that one-in-a-million chance happened) is something I wouldn't have thought of on my own.
 
I don't know him, mind giving some background?
Basically he's an old friend of John Constantine who's a cabbie. His life is basically ruined on a regular basis by John, but he sticks by him and if he hadn't, the world would have literally ended multiple times. He's the epitome of John's theme of 'if you're near him your life will be worse but the world will be better off for it'.

Per the Vertigo series, being associated with John has made him accessory to many crimes as well as destroying his marriage through demon-possession.
 
Basically he's an old friend of John Constantine who's a cabbie. His life is basically ruined on a regular basis by John, but he sticks by him and if he hadn't, the world would have literally ended multiple times. He's the epitome of John's theme of 'if you're near him your life will be worse but the world will be better off for it'.

Per the Vertigo series, being associated with John has made him accessory to many crimes as well as destroying his marriage through demon-possession.
Yeah, that is honestly exactly what I was thinking for that one. Adding him to the example list if you don't mind
 
There's also an actual factual Getemian in Hellblazer in the form of The Golden Boy, John Constantine's stillborn brother. There's an alternate universe where The Golden Boy lived and created a utopia, and he's trying to make that the real world instead of the universe where John lived.
 
There's also an actual factual Getemian in Hellblazer in the form of The Golden Boy, John Constantine's stillborn brother. There's an alternate universe where The Golden Boy lived and created a utopia, and he's trying to make that the real world instead of the universe where John lived.
Didn't that world end because the Golden Boy wasn't as scummy as John and therefore didn't 'taint' the woman who was supposed to be Virgin Mary 2 by sleeping with her while possessed by a demon, who then went on to go pagan and save the world from the elemental force of destruction by birthing an equal and opposite one of creation? Or something, it's been years since I've read that arc.
 
Didn't that world end because the Golden Boy wasn't as scummy as John and therefore didn't 'taint' the woman who was supposed to be Virgin Mary 2 by sleeping with her while possessed by a demon, who then went on to go pagan and save the world from the elemental force of destruction by birthing an equal and opposite one of creation? Or something, it's been years since I've read that arc.
Hellblazer gets weird.
 
Example Characters: Usopp from One Piece, one of the girls in a harem comedy, Casca from Berserk, Xander from Buffy.
Where would you put Unneeded hero from Hero Union BBS?

He doesn't have the power to defeat the BBEG. Each of his companions, individually, does. But they decide to go after the BBEG because of him. (And thus he defeats the BBEG) If he hadn't encountered them, they'd all be off doing their own thing, and the BBEG would be unopposed.
 
Where would you put Unneeded hero from Hero Union BBS?

He doesn't have the power to defeat the BBEG. Each of his companions, individually, does. But they decide to go after the BBEG because of him. (And thus he defeats the BBEG) If he hadn't encountered them, they'd all be off doing their own thing, and the BBEG would be unopposed.
Honestly that sounds like Side Character or Wonderful life.

Honestly, a lot of concepts are going to be mixtures of several of these and that's okay. These methods are meant as guides and starting points, not hard categories
 
Differences between these three we have no context for yet:

- The difference between trivial characters and extras -- Death is Inevitable mentions the former, the other two mention the latter
- The distinction between Death is Inevitable working off of attacks versus the other two not using that language. Is this a restriction, or a benefit by letting it combine with other effects?
- How good Death is Inevitable always inflicting at least one level of damage -- presumably even if they miss -- is in this system.
- What resist rout checks are like, and how much it matters if Font of War is capped at five.

We also have no idea how the charms and charm modes that these splats have access to play off of these things. Like, in particular, I think it's safe to assume that the Infernals' Devil Body is meant to be a major force multiplier that Solars and Abyssals outright don't have access to. It seems like it's a little premature to declare this unequivocally bad.
Looking at these again, I find it incredibly annoying that they still can't figure out consistent templating, all the way down to "per turn" versus "per round".
 
Looking at these again, I find it incredibly annoying that they still can't figure out consistent templating, all the way down to "per turn" versus "per round".
The recent 3e books honestly have "figured out" consistent templating though? That's not been an issue for years. If it's not somehow a deliberate mechanical difference, like... This is a manuscript and that kind of inconsistency tends to get ironed out by the time you're actually looking at a finished product.
 
Today in Exalted, we made some pretty flowers.

Or Dervish did, at least. She kept on shooting the BFG and destroyed an entire flotilla of Imperial ships. Of course, doing that much damage from just one ship draws a certain kind of attention. I was the first to see that the stars above us weren't looking right and that the size of the distortion was steadily growing, almost like something was drawing closer to us! The sensor officer aboard the unnamed ship eventually noticed it as well, right about when the giant enemy space whale decloaked and grappled the ship with its tentacles, each one thicker than I was tall.

Not a great situation to be in, especially with the main weapon unable to turn and the defense guns leaving mere two feet wide craters in the tentacles. Luckily, I was already out on the hull and a Dawn-caste Solar. Less luckily, I didn't roll that well and while I put the hurt on one of the three tentacles, I didn't do a good enough job to make it let go.

Though having a plasma cutter jabbed into it did make the behemoth mad enough to start swatting at me with another tentacle. I started playing the dodging game as Dervish made her way to an airlock and Dahlia didn't do much because her player was off taking care of the ducks, if you know what I mean. (I mean they were taking care of the ducks.)

Next time, Exalted versus Space Whale!
 
...Decided to back Essence, despite refusing to do so with anything up to this point because of the absolute disaster that was the 3e corebook.
 
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