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Garden of Eden (Worm AU)

bdun140 said:
And... HOW LONG did it take people in-universe to figure that out?
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That's mostly because Jack Slash has another very obvious power for people to focus on; his anti-Shard ability is so subtle even he never realized he had it. Horus, OTOH, is very obvious and is also our only power.
 
@Lilithium and you were complaining about my 5-page initial vote. This guy has like a hundred votes and sixteen pages. :rolleyes:

Nox said:
Possible Aion ending:

Eden: What...but if you change history, if I die here, you will never have been.

Aion: I have no issue with this. I came to where I am, did what I will have done, because I wanted to craft a better future.

Eden: This won't save your world, my other will turn on you sooner or later, he will-

Aion: Die, just as you will...I have faith in mankind to find a way to do it.

Eden: I don't understand. You'll be giving up everything. Everything you are, everything you ever could have been, for total oblivion. And no one will ever know what you did.

Aion: I'll know, and I think I'm alright going out on that note...

So Aion shifted fate, and Eden was trapped on a road which held no possible path of survival, her vision of an ideal future only just a vision now, one that would be her downfall. And to the sound of her doom, Aion reflected upon the vast current of time.

Aion: And so time marches on...heh, we're all so very brief, in the end...
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Time never waits. It delivers all equally to the same end.

That said...

[x] Eloah
 
Leingod said:
That's mostly because Jack Slash has another very obvious power for people to focus on; his anti-Shard ability is so subtle even he never realized he had it. Horus, OTOH, is very obvious and is also our only power.
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True... But consider this: If we have more to fear from a hobo with a knife than a 40 foot dragon, that kind of turns the whole Parahuman Feudalism thing on it's head, no?
 
Just to be clear, what's our end goal here? Mine is "Defeat Eden and Save The WorldTM​". But how exactly will each hero accomplish this?
[] Tempestas - no idea
[] Horus - Walk up to her like a boss and then rip her core out with our bare fucking hands.
[] Ceres - no idea
[] Kishar - Physically remove her from the planet? What if the bitch comes back?
[] Eloah - Create the Ultimate Distructor? Great, you've summoned Godzilla, now how do you get rid of him?
[] Aion - Go back in time and strike when she's weakest? The GM has already said this would be Hard Mode, so anybody got a plan for that?
 
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bdun140 said:
True... But consider this: If we have more to fear from a hobo with a knife than a 40 foot dragon, that kind of turns the whole Parahuman Feudalism thing on it's head, no?
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That 40 foot dragon can just order the hobo with a knife to stab us, or, more likely, one of his dozens of gangbangers to shoot us. The thing about parahuman feudalism is that they tend to have ordinary humans in their employ as well as other parahumans.
 
Eloah strikes me as a really awesome power that we can't actually use unless we want to be a threat that makes the S9 look positively benign in comparison. Can one of it's proponents tell me how we would use it for anything useful? We can't control exactly what we get, or what they do, almost any offensive and probably most defensive uses will end up with collateral damage, and despite the fact that we control living wmds we are still vulnerable. Controlling mini Endbringers will paint the largest bullseye possible on our backs. If you think people will be trying to control Aion, that's nothing compared to the number of people that will be going after Eloah to either kill or control us.
 
PKRudeboy said:
Eloah strikes me as a really awesome power that we can't actually use unless we want to be a threat that makes the S9 look positively benign in comparison. Can one of it's proponents tell me how we would use it for anything useful? We can't control exactly what we get, or what they do, almost any offensive and probably most defensive uses will end up with collateral damage, and despite the fact that we control living wmds we are still vulnerable. Controlling mini Endbringers will paint the largest bullseye possible on our backs. If you think people will be trying to control Aion, that's nothing compared to the number of people that will be going after Eloah to either kill or control us.
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Create an Endbringer with the specific purpose of protecting Eloah. Maybe allow Eloah to hide inside.
 
PKRudeboy said:
Eloah strikes me as a really awesome power that we can't actually use unless we want to be a threat that makes the S9 look positively benign in comparison. Can one of it's proponents tell me how we would use it for anything useful? We can't control exactly what we get, or what they do, almost any offensive and probably most defensive uses will end up with collateral damage, and despite the fact that we control living wmds we are still vulnerable. Controlling mini Endbringers will paint the largest bullseye possible on our backs. If you think people will be trying to control Aion, that's nothing compared to the number of people that will be going after Eloah to either kill or control us.
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Well, I think that the mini-Endbringers we create would be more on the scale of something that might destroy a city block or two rather than a city, if you were to get in an extended fight with one. So, powerful, but not necessarily out of the realm of the powers of other parahumans. Detailed control from range would be difficult, so either we'd have to go with the creation to the area we want to act in so we can give specific orders, or we need to create one from a theme that is unlikely to cause massive amounts of collateral damage. This is why I said we need something in the theme of the Simurgh as our first creation - the actual collateral damage she does is minimum, and it would be smarter so it might take orders better as well being able to relay orders to the others.


ChaosTheVoid said:
Create an Endbringer with the specific purpose of protecting Eloah. Maybe allow Eloah to hide inside.
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Yeah, I thought about that idea too. An Endbringer-suit. Maybe create one with a "piloted mech" or "powered armor" theme. If it comes out right people might even think we're a Tinker.
 
Enjou said:
Yeah, I thought about that idea too. An Endbringer-suit. Maybe create one with a "piloted mech" or "powered armor" theme. If it comes out right people might even think we're a Tinker.
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For all we know, using one of those themes just creates a Simurgh-sized Endbringer that telekinetically creates a giant suit of armor around itself and lays waste to a city block. Remember, Mortifer specifically told us we can't micro-manage our Endbringer-lites.
 
Leingod said:
For all we know, using one of those themes just creates a Simurgh-sized Endbringer that telekinetically creates a giant suit of armor around itself and lays waste to a city block. Remember, Mortifer specifically told us we can't micro-manage our Endbringer-lites.
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Even if we got that result, it would still be pretty damn awesome.

Also, given that this is Eden's world and things are much more factional then destroying a city block may not be such a big deal. There's basically parahuman wars going on, right?
 
No need to game the concept too hard. Make it's concept it's purpose and you have a narrow, but extremely effective superbeast, once you account for a conflict-filter.

Like creating a mini Endbringer with the concept of Bodyguard or Restoration
 
iterative nanomachines (ie, biology) have exponential potential.

plus, you can make shit bloom everywhere you go like a boss.

who else has swag like that?

noone, thats who.

vote ceres today.
 
Leingod said:
That 40 foot dragon can just order the hobo with a knife to stab us, or, more likely, one of his dozens of gangbangers to shoot us. The thing about parahuman feudalism is that they tend to have ordinary humans in their employ as well as other parahumans.
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I wanted to go on a rant about how we could diplomance the human minions into following us instead, but then I remembered Bakuda's primary recruitment tactic.
When an argument falls apart under the examination of the person trying to make it, something's wrong.
So... other plans for doing what has to be done by us and helping humanity to defeat the Eden? I hear it's a good day for that sort of thing.
 
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ChaosTheVoid said:
Create an Endbringer with the specific purpose of protecting Eloah. Maybe allow Eloah to hide inside.
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And when it starts to preemptively target possible threats, say DC, because there is no way the government will not try to control or kill the person who can decide to hold cities for ransom on a whim?
Enjou said:
Well, I think that the mini-Endbringers we create would be more on the scale of something that might destroy a city block or two rather than a city, if you were to get in an extended fight with one. So, powerful, but not necessarily out of the realm of the powers of other parahumans. Detailed control from range would be difficult, so either we'd have to go with the creation to the area we want to act in so we can give specific orders, or we need to create one from a theme that is unlikely to cause massive amounts of collateral damage. This is why I said we need something in the theme of the Simurgh as our first creation - the actual collateral damage she does is minimum, and it would be smarter so it might take orders better as well being able to relay orders to the others.




Yeah, I thought about that idea too. An Endbringer-suit. Maybe create one with a "piloted mech" or "powered armor" theme. If it comes out right people might even think we're a Tinker.
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The example given was if we told Levi-light to kill someone it would cause a flood. That is causing massive amounts of property damage at the least, and probably will kill at least some bystanders. Even causing a few blocks worth of collateral damage every time we get in a fight is going to add up quite quickly. If we go with, we are still a squishy human. And an intelligent mini-Endbringer that we make could just as easily be a Literal Genie that twists our orders instead of an ally that actively helps us. Especially if it's seen as us trying to get around the outlined restriction.

Enjou said:
Even if we got that result, it would still be pretty damn awesome.

Also, given that this is Eden's world and things are much more factional then destroying a city block may not be such a big deal. There's basically parahuman wars going on, right?
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Destroying city blocks is still the act of a villain, and not even the interesting type of villain, but the 'smash the world' type.

People need to remember that the point of the shards is to cause conflict, not to act in our best interests. Making sapient or semi sapient creatures just makes that easier.
 
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PKRudeboy said:
The example given was if we told Levi-light to kill someone it would cause a flood. That is causing massive amounts of property damage at the least, and probably will kill at least some bystanders. Even causing a few blocks worth of collateral damage every time we get in a fight is going to add up quite quickly.
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I was mainly pointing out the level of power we could expect compared to the regular Endbringers. We can get around collateral damage by making themes that don't cause as much of it. Not all powers are as blatantly destructive as others, just as the Endbringers in canon caused different levels of destruction.

If we go with, we are still a squishy human.
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Ally with a Tinker and get some power armor. It's not that complicated to solve the being squishy problem. Lots of capes are squishy.

And an intelligent mini-Endbringer that we make could just as easily be a Literal Genie that twists our orders instead of an ally that actively helps us. Especially if it's seen as us trying to get around the outlined restriction.
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I somewhat doubt that. It's kind of the case with Eidolon's wishes, but he didn't even realize he was responsible for the Endbringers until he died. A smart one should still be obedient and not try to twist our orders around like that (at least not on purpose) unless our shard is actually trying to kill us like Leet's was (which was the case mainly because he was essentially wasting its potential and it wanted to move on to another host) or something like that. The more likely cost is that the Thinker-type would be more fragile and have less overt power, along the lines of the Simurgh.

Destroying city blocks is still the act of a villain, and not even the interesting type of villain, but the 'smash the world' type.
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You're thinking in pure cape terms. The fictionalized world Eden envisioned has what basically amounts to countries at war, with parahumans being soldiers, and you can be sure there are things like the Brockton Bay Protectorate HQ that are somewhat distanced from the actual civilian population that would be legitimate targets for destruction.

People need to remember that the point of the shards is to cause conflict, not to act in our best interests. Making sapient or semi sapient creatures just makes that easier.
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It's not conflict for the sake of conflict, but conflict for the sake of a goal. The main reason is trying to find a way to stop the heat-death of the multiverse. Gathering new stuff is part of that, and another part is figuring out new ways to use existing powers. It's why the space-whales give out powers. They want the hosts to get creative and try stuff, developing new strategies and tactics. Restrictions exist not just to protect the space-whales, but because they encourage out of the box thinking. That's part of why I like the option - it would require us to think outside the box.
 
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