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Finding the Spark (Pathfinder 1E Quest)

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Goldfish said:
@DragonParadox, has anyone earned enough XP to level up since reaching Cassomir?
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These next level ups come with a heck of a lot of narrative, at least Kori's (Shadow Form +Sirim possessing his body) and Cob's (Psionic reclass).

I really don't want to try and juggle the narrative while under pressure to leave the city, because I want to actually take the wordcount of to explore those two things.
 
BeepSmile said:
These next level ups come with a heck of a lot of narrative, at least Kori's (Shadow Form +Sirim possessing his body) and Cob's (Psionic reclass).

I really don't want to try and juggle the narrative while under pressure to leave the city, because I want to actually take the wordcount of to explore those two things.
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If any of our people can level up, it would be good to go ahead and get that taken care of. There is no telling what kind of crap is going to go down while we're stuck here waiting for the princess to show up.

Sirim and Mina get 4th level spells on their next level up, Gorok gets 2nd level spells, Cob is going to get psionic SLAs, Kori learns several new spells and a new Revelation.

The princess won't be in town for almost a week, so we're going to have plenty of time to wait around.
 
I agree with Goldfish. If we stay and wait for the princess, things will continue to happen that we really have to take care of. If not, the governor will find some. Reliable people are hard to find, so he'll try to keep us occupied.

We might do a lot of good, but all in all, Gorok is more important to me.

[X] Leave at once, you have the spell for it, you can go
 
Was just looking through the 2nd level Rangers spells to refresh my memory and came across a neat one.

Aquatic Cavalry – d20PFSRD

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With this spell, the group is now ready for underwater exploration. It will last 4 hours when Gorok is 7th level and he'll be able to Summon two of them. If he uses our Extend Spell Metamagic Rod that goes to 8 hours, and he can use Mina's 2nd level Pearl of Power to cast it again. That gets us four Hippocampi mounts that are faster underwater than horses are on land.

Sirim cannot move underwater due to an inherent Smokeshade weakness, but he could use Marionette Possession to wear Kori as a meatsuit while Kori uses his Shadow Projection Revelation to become a Shadow, which can move underwater freely.

We could use Wild Arcana or Inspired Spell to cast Water Breathing spells for the group, but our Symbiote Masks let us avoid that issue.

All in all, while I generally dislike underwater missions, it's nice to know we've reached the point where we can handle them more easily if the need arises.
 
Goldfish said:
The princess won't be in town for almost a week, so we're going to have plenty of time to wait around.
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Do you know the exact number of days? If it's three or more then I'd very much like to boost Kori's alchemy (via a RoSS and Wild Arcana: True Skill (Alchemy) from Sirim, and then take the poison from those darts (Inspired Spell: Daggermark's Echenge). Also use a Hermean Potential(s) from and a (Mythic?) Heroism from Mina, and a Guidance from Kori.

More for tidying up our list of item at this point than actually getting the poison.... But I also want more poison.

Oh! And I keep on forgetting. I want an item of Mage Hand that can be activated by an intangible being for Kori's shadow form. So he can turn the pages of books.
Bonus points if it can also turn intangible (for infiltration shenanigans). But that wouldn't make any sense to order until Kori finds out that he can possess his own shadow.

[X] Leave at once, you have the spell for it, you can go
-[X] But if we do end up staying to see the princess's visit, it'd be nice to do some downtime activities before she arrives: Learn spells, turn the poison from the darts into something good for Gorok (Each dose needs a Surge Point from Kori and Sirim), maybe buff Pepper and investigate one of the psionic items.

Edit: Look at this: Minor Dream – d20PFSRD

With this we at least have some form of long range communication that doesn't require level 4 spell scrolls - one that we could put into a RoSS and lend to someone if we desperately need to

Though this might be a lot better, in that we can use it to send set up two-way communications via text being observed in the mirror for 1 min/cl.

Mirror Sight – d20PFSRD

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BeepSmile said:
Do you know the exact number of days? If it's three or more then I'd very much like to boost Kori's alchemy (via a RoSS and Wild Arcana: True Skill (Alchemy) from Sirim, and then take the poison from those darts (Inspired Spell: Daggermark's Echenge). Also use a Hermean Potential(s) from Mina, and Guidance from Kori.

More for tidying up our list of item at this point than actually getting the poison.... But I also want more poison.

Oh! And I keep on forgetting. I want an item of Mage Hand that can be activated by an intangible being for Kori's shadow form. So he can turn the pages of books.
Bonus points if it can also turn intangible (for infiltration shenanigans). But that wouldn't make any sense to order until Kori finds out that he can possess his own shadow.

[X] Leave at once, you have the spell for it, you can go
-[X] But if we do end up staying to see the princess's visit, it'd be nice to do some downtime activities before she arrives: Learn spells, turn the poison from the darts into something good for Gorok (Each dose needs a Surge Point from Kori and Sirim), maybe buff Pepper and investigate one of the psionic items.
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IIRC, it was a week as of the day we raided the Drow barge, so 7 more days, and that's just the time until she is supposed to arrive. How long we end up staying after that is still up in the air, but I've got a bridge to sell anyone who thinks we'll be leaving sooner than a couple days after she arrives.

Kori's Searching Shadows spell can accomplish what you want that Mage Hand item for.

Searching Shadows – d20PFSRD

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The shadows can pick up and move unattended, non-magical objects that weigh up to 5 pounds.
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@DragonParadox, would our Cloak of the Hedge Wizard resize to properly fit Pepper if we can convince him to try wearing it?
 
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Goldfish said:
IIRC, it was a week as of the day we raided the Drow barge, so 5 more days, and that's just the time until she is supposed to arrive. How long we end up staying after that is still up in the air, but I've got a bridge to sell anyone who thinks we'll be leaving sooner than a couple days after she arrives.

Kori's Searching Shadows spell can accomplish what you want that Mage Hand item for.

Searching Shadows – d20PFSRD

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Can Kori cast spells in Shadow Form? For some reason I thought that he lost his spellcasting ability.

If he can cast spells, that's fickin' amazing and Searching Shadows does indeed do what I want.
That said, if he can't cast them it doesn't really matter, because it makes zero sense to get an intangible item of Mage Hand before Kori learns about his ability.
 
BeepSmile said:
Can Kori cast spells in Shadow Form? For some reason I thought that he lost his spellcasting ability.

If he can cast spells, that's fickin' amazing and Searching Shadows does indeed do what I want.
That said, if he can't cast them it doesn't really matter, because it makes zero sense to get an intangible item of Mage Hand before Kori learns about his ability.
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Unfortunately, he'll be limited to spells without a Material or Focus component. That leaves plenty of spells with just Verbal and/or Somatic components.

Searching Shadows doesn't have a Material component, so it's fine.

EDIT: Any spell that has M/DF listed in the required components means that the Arcane version uses a Material component and the Divine version uses a Divine Focus. Oracles are special, however, and don't need Divine Foci to cast any of their spells. That opens up more options for Shadow!Kori to cast spells since he won't be as restrained by the normal component requirements.
 
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Speaking of stuff I forgot about, what do you think of a PoSK of Embrace Destiny ? (Though that is the spell I want to swap Bless out for, so maybe we don't need a PoSK)

My use case is Kori casting it once or twice (wait for the first to expire or dismiss it if possible) on himself before making a ship. Or some other non time dependent roll, like knowledge roll that isn't time sensitive and we aren't pressured for spell slots.

And if allowed, three put into a RoSS for Pepper to use.

It might also be useful for Sirim and Mina to get scrolls and have learnt it, but again, it would only be useful for when we know we are going to attempt something and it isn't time sensitive and we don't need to be subtle about casting magic.
 
BeepSmile said:
Speaking of stuff I forgot about, what do you think of a PoSK of Embrace Destiny ? (Though that is the spell I want to swap Bless out for, so maybe we don't need a PoSK)

My use case is Kori casting it once or twice (wait for the first to expire or dismiss it if possible) on himself before making a ship. Or some other non time dependent roll, like knowledge roll that isn't time sensitive and we aren't pressured for spell slots.

And if allowed, three put into a RoSS for Pepper to use.

It might also be useful for Sirim and Mina to get scrolls and have learnt it, but again, it would only be useful for when we know we are going to attempt something and it isn't time sensitive and we don't need to be subtle about casting magic.
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I would prefer to get that one as a PoSK, or just rely on Wild Arcana or Inspired Spell to cast it when necessary. It's not a spell I see Kori using often enough in regular situations to justify him learning it normally, IMO.

We could still put copies of it into a Ring of Spell Storing for Pepper's use, or anyone else's depending on the situation. It's nice that the spell is only 1st level for Kori, so he could drop three of them into a ring when we really want to push for the best possible results on a check that isn't time critical.

The spell I most want him to learn in place of Bless is probably Sure Casting. It's a somewhat niche spell, but there will be a lot of instances in the future where we are fighting enemies with Spell Resistance. The higher we level, the more often we're going to run into that issue.

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Between that and a Piercing Spell Metamagic Rod, he should have much less trouble burning through an enemy's SR. At 7th level, using both of those will give him an effective caster level of 17 to overcome SR. That's pretty nice, but we could push it to 19 using Inspired Spell.
 
Sure Casting is much better to have available than Embrace Destiny.
Though of course I'd much prefer to have it as a PoSK, because Surge Points are many times more valuable than first level spell slots, and that will only increase as Kori gains levels.
 
Goldfish said:
if we vote to leave immediately, we'll still be able to sort out the pirate loot, meet with Urgor and Leontas, and speak with Oka, right?
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Don't forget questioning pirate scroll, see if we know where former mates may have left for.

Could we split party to do multiple things? Gorok can likely get scroll easily enough with a partner after all.
 
I wanted to see this from the moment we picked up that rumor, so.

[x] No, stay and watch the princess' entrance

On an unrelated note, what are our options to get a Sending Spell? It's Oracle 4.

The regen scroll is for Sylestrix... it's strange to realize a dragon is poorer than us. She should have claimed the adamantium instead. And some dwarven contacts. Eh, she is still young, she'll learn.

But anyway, we'll probably be swinging by after we pick up Gorok's tribe, so we have time to find -- or commission it -- until then.
 
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Massgamer said:
Don't forget questioning pirate scroll, see if we know where former mates may have left for.

Could we split party to do multiple things? Gorok can likely get scroll easily enough with a partner after all.
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Yeah, gotta remember to question the skull soon.

I would rather not split the party for the rest of the time we're stuck in the city. It's looking like that's how the vote is going to go, unfortunately, so that's giving anyone who wants to target us here plenty of time to single out vulnerable party members.

There are Drow, disgruntled pirates, at least one noble Taldan House, and possibly the local Apsis Consortium reps to worry about. Maybe the Elves, too.
Nevill said:
On an unrelated note, what are our options to get a Sending Spell? It's Oracle 4.
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We just bought three Sending scrolls.

@DragonParadox, are Kori or Mina familiar enough with any members of Gorok's tribe to contact them using a Sending spell?
 
[X] No, stay and watch the princess' entrance

Might as well since we've done so much work to make sure her visit was alright. That and Cob wants to, lol.
 
Goldfish said:
We just bought three Sending scrolls.

@DragonParadox, are Kori or Mina familiar enough with any members of Gorok's tribe to contact them using a Sending spell?
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Wild Arcana: "True Skill (UMD)" into a RoSS, then Gorok could try to use a scroll? Also could drop a Eagle's Glory/That +4 to Cha spell to boost his rolls.
And Guidance. And Fortune.

More to the point, does the tribe have any sort of Shaman/magic user. They'd react best to an unexpected Sending imo.
 
BeepSmile said:
Wild Arcana: "True Skill (UMD)" into a RoSS, then Gorok could try to use a scroll? Also could drop a Eagle's Glory/That +4 to Cha spell to boost his rolls.
And Guidance. And Fortune.

More to the point, does the tribe have any sort of Shaman/magic user. They'd react best to an unexpected Sending imo.
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That won't work. UMD is a trained skill, so you can only use it if you have at least one rank in the skill.

Off the top of my head, the only party member that can get around that requirement is Pepper when he uses his Skilled Evolution. That won't help us in this case, though.
 
We also purchased some Scrying scrolls. If Mina or Sirim has enough XP to level up, they could use one to learn the spell and prepare it normally. That would let us cast it to check up on Gorok's tribe without expending the limited number of scrolls we have.

IIRC, among the loot we would have taken off the Drow barge was a large mirror Sirim spotted while doing reconnaissance that looked like it was probably used as a Focus for a Scrying spell.

Speaking of loot, @DragonParadox, we also need to see what we got from the raid on the Drow.
 
Goldfish said:
That won't work. UMD is a trained skill, so you can only use it if you have at least one rank in the skill.

Off the top of my head, the only party member that can get around that requirement is Pepper when he uses his Skilled Evolution. That won't help us in this case, though.
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I misread it :(
Visualisation of the Mind put into a RoSS (see using the spell with UMD/scroll for how I think it can work with a RoSS). But if you want to bother with Sending, then yeah, Sirim or Mina.

Personally I don't want to use the scroll for that.
Edit: If we do level up, then Sirim or Mina can attempt to scry on a tribe member and attempt to cast Message through it, which should also allow for a better back-and-forth than Sending.
Also can try on multiple tribe members.
 
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BeepSmile said:
I misread it :(
Visualisation of the Mind put into a RoSS (see using the spell with UMD/scroll for how I think it can work with a RoSS). But if you want to bother with Sending, then yeah, Sirim or Mina.

Personally I don't want to use the scroll for that.
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Ah, yeah, that spell can also get around the lack of skill training. Wouldn't work for a Sending spell, though, because it takes too long to cast.

It's a good reason to use one of the scrolls, IMO. We either get confirmation that the tribe is all right for now, has been wiped out or enslaved, or somewhere in between. We can also let them know that we should be returning soon-ish and to begin making preparations for a long trip.
 
Sending's actually quite bad for this, if it's being cast via scroll.

25 words, from nowhere, unexpected, by someone you barely know, and there's invisible devils after your tribe (the imp, for example)?
And you're not even a magic user?

Their first thought isn't going to be "Gorok's mage friend" and 25 words isn't enough to explain what's going on and ask questions, and expect a response. Doing it with spell slots during downtime is a lot cheaper than using scrolls.

Mina or Sirim casting scrying (preferably with their own spells, as this might take multiple attempts) on various members of Gorok's tribe, and then trying to cast Message through the scrying spell (with diplo buffa) seems like it would work better?

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On that note, with the Scrying spell, I'd argue that Mina and Sirim now have "Secondhand (you have heard of the subject)" knowledge of Erinea Doris.
So when Mina and/or Sirim level up, they can try to scry on her with a +5 to Erinea's save, and then cast message through it (with Bestow Insight Diplomacy and other buffs, of course)
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Edit: @Goldfish
VotM:
Intelligence: You immediately gain a flash of insight, and gain a number of ranks equal to your Hit Dice in any skill in which you have no ranks. These ranks last for 1 minute, during which time you can also treat that skill as a class skill.
Bestow Insight:
When casting this spell, choose a single skill that you have at least one rank in

For 200 Gold to cast VotM, someone could put Bestow Insight [Skill] into a ring.
Which might be handy if we need to really boost someone's skill. Especially if the spell itself was learnt by Mina/Sirim, as opposed to Shadow Enchantment, since then they (or at least Mina) could put an Extended Bestow Insight into a ring, for times when we need the spell to last for over 10 minutes for a scroll.
Since I don't know what level Extended (via Rod) Shadow Enchantment: Bestow Insight counts as for putting into a RoSS, either 3 or 4.
Anyway, we should by two scrolls of Bestow Insight.

Honestly, for the sake of saving time, rather than getting one scroll of the spells that both Mina and Sirim want, and having them teach each other, it might be worth it to get two copies, so one doesn't need to spend time teacging the other.
At least for cheaper spells.
 
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