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FATHER QUEST - A Cartoon Network: Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest Cross Over

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Government is the ideal personally. It's definitely not good so don't get that twisted, but it's also not a mad dog spreading chaos and death. It's also got a fuck ton of resources and people. The goodwill it has and we can gain from it is also good. Just because you have goodwill or a good public perception, doesn't mean you aren't evil.
Shadow-86 said:
Why wouldn't we do both.
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One factor against that is the government only even worked with us because we were not part of the guild and thus not technically a supervillain. So they seem to be mutually exclusive to some level.
 
Lifeandlice said:
Government is the ideal personally. It's definitely not good so don't get that twisted, but it's also not a mad dog spreading chaos and death. It's also got a fuck ton of resources and people. The goodwill it has and we can gain from it is also good. Just because you have goodwill or a good public perception, doesn't mean you aren't evil.

One factor against that is the government only even worked with us because we were not part of the guild and thus not technically a supervillain. So they seem to be mutually exclusive to some level.
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I'd much rather work with the government if we play our cards right we could gain much more useful things, who knows if we make them trust us enough we might get some tax cuts.
 
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SuspiciousBird said:
I agree we should present ourselves as a villain on Moltar's show—really HAM it up—but I thought we were planning on working more closely with the government instead of the Guild?
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Speak for yourself, I'd prefer to avoid aligning ourselves too closely with the government (even if a military school sounds tempting). My ideal outcome would be an arrangement similar to what the Guild had*, where the government quietly agrees to leave foiling our evil schemes to the KND or other heroes and we agree to team up against big threats and keep the collateral damage down.

*Or still has, the Google doc says they're not as self-policing as they were originally but I don't know if that's happened yet.
 
DrVillainous said:
Speak for yourself, I'd prefer to avoid aligning ourselves too closely with the government (even if a military school sounds tempting). My ideal outcome would be an arrangement similar to what the Guild had*, where the government quietly agrees to leave foiling our evil schemes to the KND or other heroes and we agree to team up against big threats and keep the collateral damage down.

*Or still has, the Google doc says they're not as self-policing as they were originally but I don't know if that's happened yet.
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The Feds cant officially interact with em do to that undermining their Authority, but I dont think theyre hostile.
 
Nystical said:
Plus Father would be a great contrast to Jack Frost.
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It writes itself.


I'm Mister GREEN Christmas, I'm Mister Sun.
I'm Mister Heat Blister, I'm MIS-ter hundred and one.
They call me HEAT Father, whatever I touch,
starts to melt in my clutch.
I'm TOO much.

I never want to know a day that's UN-der sixty de-GREES,
I'd rather have it eigthy, ninety, one hundred's a BREEZE!

Oh, some like it hot, but I like it REALLY hot!

 
DrVillainous said:
Speak for yourself, I'd prefer to avoid aligning ourselves too closely with the government (even if a military school sounds tempting). My ideal outcome would be an arrangement similar to what the Guild had*, where the government quietly agrees to leave foiling our evil schemes to the KND or other heroes and we agree to team up against big threats and keep the collateral damage down.

*Or still has, the Google doc says they're not as self-policing as they were originally but I don't know if that's happened yet.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not against working with the Guild too if it doesn't hurt our relations with the feds. It's just that we've already established a connection there and have the potential to milk it for a lot of useful stuff and I don't want to jeopardize it by becoming too much of an open soopervillain.
 
We already got a great start in working with the government I want nothing to do with wasting that and losing that respect.

Sure, ditching them/killing them/ taking them over after we outgrow them? That's fine, but so far they might be the strongest individual faction we can reach aside from the gems right now. Let's cozy up to them to start with. The Guild can screw itself, first come first serve.
 
Just become an Anti Villain to have the best of both worlds.

Father doesn't even want to destroy the world or hold countries hostage like most non-KND villains. He just wants to stick it to the kids and allow grownups to be about to enjoy themselves without kiddy terrorist cells attacking.
 
C-Moon said some stuff about his plans for the future and how to craft Father's public image.

That nova comic art we got earlier sums up the short of it. We set up father as a reasonable man, a salt-of-the-earth red blooded American and family man. A conservative, you could call him, up in arms about crafting a strong, productive society.

Father is sane (lol). A villain, to be sure, but preferable to goombas like Perry and Mandy Dark. He's a bad guy, but America's bad guy, a real patriot, Joker hating Nazi's style, or the sorta Doctor-Doomy "this guys an asshole and a tyrant, but damn it, he's made our lives better".

Being on the side of the adults ain't so bad kids! You'll spend most of your life as one, and itsa coming sooner then you think! Ol' Father's gonna make it all preem, don't you worry 'bout that.
 
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Chronobreak said:
C-Moon said some stuff about his plans for the future and how to craft Father's public image.

That nova comic art we got earlier sums up the short of it. We set up father as a reasonable man, a salt-of-the-earth red blooded American and family man. A conservative, you could call him, up in arms about crafting a strong, productive society.

Father is sane (lol). A villain, to be sure, but preferable to goombas like Perry and Mandy Dark. He's a bad guy, but America's bad guy, a real patriot, Joker hating Nazi's style, or the sorta Doctor-Doomy "this guys an asshole and a tyrant, but damn it, he's made our lives better".

Being on the side of the adults ain't so bad kids! You'll spend most of your life as one, and itsa coming sooner then you think! Ol' Father's gonna make it all preem, don't you worry 'bout that.
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adding onto this, we absolutely lean into the "Mature" image by going for markets Chris and Moltar are disinterested in pursuing. Boring but important topics like economics and politics.
 
Random dumb thought: how aware is Peridot of the difference between fiction and documentaries?

Because I can't help but imagine her seeing Izzy playing a role in beating Jasper, doing research, and then coming to the conclusion that the Total Drama participants should not be fucked with... the fact that Chad is there for this season would only make that more believable

(inb4 we accidentally gave Chris a huge rep boost that protected him from Gem attacks)
 
The Richmaster said:
Because I can't help but imagine her seeing Izzy playing a role in beating Jasper, doing research, and then coming to the conclusion that the Total Drama participants should not be fucked with... the fact that Chad is there for this season would only make that more believable

(inb4 we accidentally gave Chris a huge rep boost that protected him from Gem attacks)
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Well, I don't know about any logical mistakes Peridot might be making about Chris, but we've definitely and very directly protected him against Gem attacks. You know, because we drove the Gems deep into the Canadian wilderness.
 
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