Oh I wasn't mad or defensive at your post, I was just explaining why I personally wanted to summon Serenity.
Fate/Kaleid Emiya: Oath Under The Snow (Miyuverse Shirou in F/SN Quest)
- Thread starter nicklzh
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Oh I wasn't mad or defensive at your post, I was just explaining why I personally wanted to summon Serenity.
- Location
- Somewhen
Gotcha. It's cool.
- Location
- Madness realms
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
Hopefully when we tell her this we also tell her that there might be a future heroic spirit version of us summoned in this war, so sakura can get all her multi Shirou fantasies out of her system, before buff mature future Shirou turns up.
Also can we give assassin some passive NPs to use on the worms?
Hopefully when we tell her this we also tell her that there might be a future heroic spirit version of us summoned in this war, so sakura can get all her multi Shirou fantasies out of her system, before buff mature future Shirou turns up.
Also can we give assassin some passive NPs to use on the worms?
- Pronouns
- Tuan/Mahakuasa/Abah
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Offer to let her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with, but leave the decision up to her.
[X] Let Lancer be for now, if only to observe what Kirei is having him do
-[x] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Offer to let her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with, but leave the decision up to her.
[X] Let Lancer be for now, if only to observe what Kirei is having him do
-[x] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
reborn214
Deep in thought
- Location
- California
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Form a plan to deal with Lancer
-[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Form a plan to deal with Lancer
-[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
Aburg7
Just another Gundam(WIng) Pilot
- Location
- A land called Honahlee
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Offer to let her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with, but leave the decision up to her.
[X] Let Lancer be for now, if only to observe what Kirei is having him do
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Offer to let her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with, but leave the decision up to her.
[X] Let Lancer be for now, if only to observe what Kirei is having him do
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Form a plan to deal with Lancer
-[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
Want to nuke Kirei but Gil will want to have a chat and that isn't good.
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Form a plan to deal with Lancer
-[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
Want to nuke Kirei but Gil will want to have a chat and that isn't good.
Tamahagane12
Unlimited Salt Works
- Location
- Texas
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[x] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[x] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
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Dimensionist
Grandmaster of Apologism, Keeper of the Faith
- Location
- Bangalore, India
Ugh, the first section of that update is such edgy, emo teenager bullshit.
Yes, justice sure is ruthless. Like those places where the death penalty doesn't exist, and the focus is on rehabilitating criminals of all types. And justice certainly is a single monolith that can only be defined one way, not like its an intensely subjective concept that's defined radically differently by members of the same family or ideology, let alone across the world, no sirree.
... Well, I guess Kiritsugu always was meant to appeal to edgy teenagers and young adults, so I suppose it's not such a surprise this Shirou who's closer to the Mind of Steel ending adopted it. Though honestly, this Shirou seems ... a lot more 'Kiritsugu-lite' than the Prisma Ilya version I saw in the manga during that arc.
Yes, justice sure is ruthless. Like those places where the death penalty doesn't exist, and the focus is on rehabilitating criminals of all types. And justice certainly is a single monolith that can only be defined one way, not like its an intensely subjective concept that's defined radically differently by members of the same family or ideology, let alone across the world, no sirree.
... Well, I guess Kiritsugu always was meant to appeal to edgy teenagers and young adults, so I suppose it's not such a surprise this Shirou who's closer to the Mind of Steel ending adopted it. Though honestly, this Shirou seems ... a lot more 'Kiritsugu-lite' than the Prisma Ilya version I saw in the manga during that arc.
Miyuverse Shirou is one who wanted to be like Kerry, and believed that it was the right thing to do, but just couldn't manage to kill his own emotions enough to go through with it in regards to Miyu. So for stuff that he has no emotional attachment to, it makes sense that he can be just as ruthless as Kerry.
nicklzh
Plan? What plan?
- Location
- Malaysia
Cute is Justice.Ugh, the first section of that update is such edgy, emo teenager bullshit.
Yes, justice sure is ruthless. Like those places where the death penalty doesn't exist, and the focus is on rehabilitating criminals of all types. And justice certainly is a single monolith that can only be defined one way, not like its an intensely subjective concept that's defined radically differently by members of the same family or ideology, let alone across the world, no sirree.
... Well, I guess Kiritsugu always was meant to appeal to edgy teenagers and young adults, so I suppose it's not such a surprise this Shirou who's closer to the Mind of Steel ending adopted it. Though honestly, this Shirou seems ... a lot more 'Kiritsugu-lite' than the Prisma Ilya version I saw in the manga during that arc.
There are a lot of definitions, but it depends on what is meaningful to you.
Cake is soft. Well, someone else might think otherwise. They might subscribe a different meaning onto cake.
Marie Antoinette supposedly said "Let them have cake!" Or something, but this was a misintepretation of her words when she meant a type of bread instead.
Same thing here, but for Shirou, Justice is ruthless and it's based closely to Karna's story.
[Karna stood near his grandfather's feet and his warm tears landed on those. Bheeshma slowly opened his eyes with much difficulty and noticed him. He embraced his grandson just like a father embraces his son, with tears flowing down his cheeks. Though they shared a bitter relation before and opposed one another, they never failed appreciating when needed.
"Karna, do you think that I hate you? No my child, I don't have any feeling of hatred towards you. I know you're a very mighty warrior. You're generosity is well known, you're equal to Arjuna in strength. But you are too vain about your strength,and try to do too much with it.you try to follow karma(justice) and dharma(morality) while being extremely generous and kind to others and not considring the fact thar karma(justice) is ruthless and generosity does not work at such cases. that's the reason I used to speak very harshly to you, to bring down your ego and pride and make you understand that you need to be ruthless but also be able to control your emotions. I've no anger left now". ]
Karna went on to roast EMIYA based on this.
[ When Archer asked him whether their battle is necessary, because the true enemy is BB, Karna coldly replied:
"That's none of your business. You have the bad habit of caring for the enemy. While you chose to side with justice, you still try to protect the weak. Can't you see the contradiction, O Weakling? If you can't bring yourself to be ruthless, then stop trying to side with justice!"]
Miyu Shirou even cared about the dolls he killed, considering Saber was Julian's father...
For people he doesn't care about, it'll turn out like the "Bye, Shinji " scene by Fate shirou.
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Midnight_Splendor
Singing in the night
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Form a plan to deal with Lancer
-[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
[X] Have her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
[X] Form a plan to deal with Lancer
-[X] Get Bazett up and cooperating first. She summoned Lancer, she should know more about him. You suspect with his original Master he might be willing to submit without a real fight if you can encounter him without Kirei.
-[X] Meanwhile, have Medea set up surveillance across the city to better track what Kirei is having him do.
- Location
- USA
[X] Stick with the original plan, this will keep Serenity's presence at a minimum but take up your afternoon. You will strike at evening by yourself with Serenity and Medea hidden as back-up
[X] Offer to let her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Let Lancer be for now, if only to observe what Kirei is having him do
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
We should leave Lancer be for now. He still has to force Shirou to summon Saber after all, and what better person to ally with than yourself.
[X] Offer to let her stay in the temple until Zouken is definitely dealt with
[X] Let Lancer be for now, if only to observe what Kirei is having him do
[X] Tell Sakura the truth about yourself
We should leave Lancer be for now. He still has to force Shirou to summon Saber after all, and what better person to ally with than yourself.
meganeshounen
*tips glasses*
- Location
- Far East Asia
Come to think of it, Miyuverse!Shirou is pretty much fanfiction-tier strong compared to Canon!Shirou, isn't he?
(Not as bad as Third Fang's version, but yeah.)
He was trained by Kerry as a magus, got on-the-job training, managed to become Archer without getting his arm blown off or getting another arm grafted to him... AND managed to win a Grail War by himself.
I mean, sure, all of the people he cares about are either really far away (Miyu) or super dead (everybody else), but yeah.
(Not as bad as Third Fang's version, but yeah.)
He was trained by Kerry as a magus, got on-the-job training, managed to become Archer without getting his arm blown off or getting another arm grafted to him... AND managed to win a Grail War by himself.
I mean, sure, all of the people he cares about are either really far away (Miyu) or super dead (everybody else), but yeah.
It's important to note that he managed to win in a single night.
Miyuverse!Shirou is really strong.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
*shrugs*
Bazett can fight on par with the class card Servants and kick ass, so I figure either humanity has higher potential to make them more relevant, or Servants aren't as strong as the typical iteration of the Kaleidoscope.
More that the Class Card versions are weaker than actual Servants, but the weird thing he did using the card of EMIYA effectively turned him into a Demi-Servant (like Mashu), and Miyu is providing him with an infinite supply of magical energy via Grail hax.
meganeshounen
*tips glasses*
- Location
- Far East Asia
He's literally... DOUBLE
There's probably a way to fuse him with other versions of EMIYA, or heck even Mumei from Fate/Extra.
And in the end, he'll probably turn into a Singularity of all Emiya Shirous in all realities.
Well, from observation:
-The Class Card isn't THAT much weaker than the original. I'd count it as a general rank down for being a fake at most, though a Servant is also a fake.
-But the skill and tactics of the Class Card is grossly mismatched for the Heroic Spirit.
--We see the self operational Class Cards Ilya and Miyu fight as being pretty stupid in general, but they grew smarter as they gathered mana over time.
---Bazett could fight two of them on her own when they just spawned, while Medusa was kind of dumb and could only charge.
---However, Hundred Faced Hassan, or the Arthuria/Medea combo, given mere weeks more than Medea, were capable of basic, if stil simplistic tactics.
---Heracles was cunning, given not long more, despite being berserk.
--Furthermore, when Installed, compatibility is enormously important. The card grant some basic skills, but they don't stop your Assassin from standing there and bragging in front of the enemy like Shinji does or your Caster acting as close in air support.
-They were running on a very constrained mana supply, which gimped them pretty hard. Self aware cards had only the mana they manage to leach out of the leylines. Installs and Noble Phantasms as well are pretty energy intensive to use, but the Dolls are unlikely to have that much mana available.
--Again you can see Ko-Gil fighting very conservatively. He only really uses Enkidu and Gate of Babylon items for passive effects. He's saving power.
--But Kuro functions MUCH more like EMIYA because she can just refuel off Ilya's bottomless tanks, even if she's never comfortable enough to actually cast Unlimited Blade Works
But Miyuverse Shirou has basically none of the problems.
-Being the original person, he gets full Demiservant sync.
-He has perfect compatibility tactically. EMIYA fights exactly like him.
-Miyu is sending him as much power as he can use.
Having two of these would make him Servant tier, but Best Onii-chan power makes him nearly a Beast of Alaya
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
It shouldn't be worse than UBW!Shirou, I mean while there is some bleedthrough Miyu!Shirou hasn't grafted EMIYA's Arm actual arm to his body.
nicklzh
Plan? What plan?
- Location
- Malaysia
He only suffers it if he uses the Archer card.
It's the degradation from using top tier skills that he needs to be wary of. If he trains and practices he wouldn't burn out as easily as before.
That's assuming he recovers first, which is solved by having Medea around.
He's better off compared to canon since Angelica!Gilgamesh didn't managed to Enuma Elish his Reality Marble before he got whisked away.
If UBW got Ea'ed, his magic circuits would have been heavily damaged as we're talking about his soul being destroyed.
Iskandar is lucky his reality marble isn't actually his soul, just something he can invoke.
- Location
- Somewhere
Fun fact: Prisma Ilya is considered as Canon as fan fiction. To put it simply, it's not part of the Nasu multiverse.
No, the FGO crossover does not count.