[1] Barrier
[2] Sunset
[3] Backrest
[4] Sky
[5] Eyebrows
[6] Galaxy

[X] Head over to the NYPD HQ (Or whatever they call it) and and offer to help them with magical law enforcement.
-[X] Be upfront about your capabilities: You're an inexperienced support, so for now, the best you can do is ward their stations and jails against violence one by one.
 
[X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
-[x] Also offer to ward the hospitals against violence because that is generally a good thing to do, but also as discreet advertisement for Magical Girl home safety.
[1] Eyebrows
[2] Barrier
[3] Backrest
 
Warding a hospital would still be a low return investment, and would take a long time. And, depending on how HH would improve, it may be less profitable to ward a hospital now.

@Alivaril, do we know how outdated versions of HH would interact with newer ones, or is HH's output improves because our ability to tap it improves?
 
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Violent gangs with magic, with that last bit being key. They deal with the regular kind of gang running protection rackets all the time. It's New York City. Cosa Nostra, aka the Mafia, is alive and well in NYC to this day.

Actually...I wouldn't be shocked if there's at least one MG faction with Mob connections.
And now that I consider it further, I would place decent odds that, if we offer to make Havens for anyone who pays enough, someone we do that for is going to have Mob ties. They have the cash to pay for it, and more need than most to be concerned about violence happening around them. Aside from the obvious "Mafioso pays us to make his house safe" route, Havens would be useful for safehouses, businesses, or warehouses that might get raided by the cops.
If we need a location that would benefit from a non-violence aura and would have a large number of people in at all time, how about youth hostels or homeless shelters? This is New York after all, the city must be boiling over with places like that, albeit not many close to central park.
Wouldn't be so sure about that. Central Park is a pretty common place for the homeless to camp out, from what I know. Having homeless shelters nearby would potentially cut down on the number of homeless people sleeping there.
Warding a hospital would still be a low return investment, and would take a long time. And, depending on how HH would improve, it may be less profitable to ward a hospital now.

@Alivaril, do we know how outdated versions of HH would interact with newer ones, or is HH's output improves because our ability to tap it improves?
Depends on what kind of return you're looking for. For the purposes of good publicity and establishing our credentials, turning a public building into a Haven would work nicely as advertising, allowing prospective customers to test it out for themselves. It also potentially gives us a bit of protection, since it makes it more likely that the local government will be keeping an eye on our safety, as they may want to hire us to turn other locations into Havens. Even if the mana return is minimal, those benefits might be considered worthwhile.
 
Which reminds me, if money is a concern, how the hell is MC-chan living near Central Park? I could build a house with the money she'd be spending on rent.

Someone else already got this, but I'll confirm that your family is covering your living expenses (but nothing more).

@Alivaril, do we know how outdated versions of HH would interact with newer ones, or is HH's output improves because our ability to tap it improves?

Newer HHs will automatically be upgraded when they link up to an upgraded HH or when you manually update them.

EDIT: Vote is currently tied 5/5 (hospital vs. police).
 
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[5] Eyebrows
[1] Backrest
[8] Sakura
[7] Earring
[6] Sunset
[3] Galaxy
[4] Sky
[2] Barrier
[X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
-[x] Also offer to ward the hospitals against violence because that is generally a good thing to do, but also as discreet advertisement for Magical Girl home safety.
 
[X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
Adhoc vote count started by caspian1a on Mar 11, 2019 at 2:10 PM, finished with 82 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
    -[x] Also offer to ward the hospitals against violence because that is generally a good thing to do, but also as discreet advertisement for Magical Girl home safety.
    [X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
    [X] Head over to the NYPD HQ (Or whatever they call it) and and offer to help them with magical law enforcement.
    -[X] Be upfront about your capabilities: You're an inexperienced support, so for now, the best you can do is ward their stations and jails against violence one by one.
    [X] Head over to the NYPD HQ (Or whatever they call it) and and offer to help them with magical law enforcement.
    -[X] Switch to Spring Raiment once you're there. The obvious display of magic should get their attention.
    -[X] Be upfront about your capabilities: You're an inexperienced support, so for now, the best you can do is ward their stations and jails against violence one by one.
    -[X] Bring your pets.
    [X] Explore the surrounding area.
    -[X] Bring your pets along.
    [X] Explore the surrounding area.
    -[X] Bring your pets along.
    [X] Go hunting for Witches with your pets.
    [X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
    [X] Explore the surrounding area.
    [x] Go to the NYPD, clue them in about magical girls and their usual politics, say you're worried about ending up conscripted instead of "just" laboring under a protection racket, and ask them to send an officer to observe some negotiations.
    -[x] You and the other magical girls involved gain legitimacy and safety (you from conscription, them from you doing bad things with the knowledge of where they live), the NYPD gets a foot in the door to magical girl politics.
    -[x] Let them know that as your skills develop you'll be able to offer warding and buffs, but it's too expensive right now.
    -[x] Bring a couple cats. They're cute and will make a better demonstration than armor would.
    [X] Go hunting for Witches with your pets.
    [X] Head over to the NYPD HQ (Or whatever they call it) and and offer to help them with magical law enforcement.
    -[X] Switch to Spring Raiment once you're there. The obvious display of magic should get their attention.
    -[X] Be upfront about your capabilities: You're an inexperienced support, so for now, the best you can do is ward their stations and jails against violence one by one.
 
@Alivaril What are the requirements for us to create a Hallowed Haven? Can we do it to a mobile home? How about a car? A big cardboard box?

Unrelated, I'm having some doubts about our ability to pretend to be a magical girl. The simple fact is that we don't produce Grief. Kyubey won't be fooled for a second; he can track every Grief Seed that gets near us and he's no slouch at accounting. He might not tell the real magical girls, not until we start causing major problems or he decides he wants to see what we can do, but I don't know if he'll leave us alone for all they long. Even without his interference it probably won't take long for someone in one of the meguca gangs to do the math on their own territory's income, how much hunting we're doing, and the number of seeds we're giving them as protection money.

I wonder how much dollar-y money it'd take to pay off one of the meguca protection rackets. More importantly, I wonder how that compares to the amount of money we could obtain by casting regeneration for rich people. It'd be pretty nice if we could sidestep the whole hunting-to-maintain-cover thing.
 
Unrelated, I'm having some doubts about our ability to pretend to be a magical girl. The simple fact is that we don't produce Grief. Kyubey won't be fooled for a second; he can track every Grief Seed that gets near us and he's no slouch at accounting. He might not tell the real magical girls, not until we start causing major problems or he decides he wants to see what we can do, but I don't know if he'll leave us alone for all they long. Even without his interference it probably won't take long for someone in one of the meguca gangs to do the math on their own territory's income, how much hunting we're doing, and the number of seeds we're giving them as protection money.

I wonder how much dollar-y money it'd take to pay off one of the meguca protection rackets. More importantly, I wonder how that compares to the amount of money we could obtain by casting regeneration for rich people. It'd be pretty nice if we could sidestep the whole hunting-to-maintain-cover thing.
Yeah...I've been wondering about that. Our never turning in filled Grief Seeds is going to be something Kyubey will notice, sooner or later. I suppose having MG allies might mask that, but they'll probably figure it out, too. They're helping us hunt, and are going to be around us a lot. Even if we're managing the "finances", they can still do math. Especially while the group is small.

It'd be one thing if we were pretending to be a veteran, who might have a stockpile of Grief Seeds, but we're pretending to be a newbie. That makes keeping this a secret much more difficult. Plus, the assumption is likely going to be that the limit on our creation of Havens is having a huge amount of Grief build up. That means people in the know will expect us to burn a Seed for each Haven. Including Kyubey, most likely.
 
I wonder if we could convince the gangs to let us pay the protection fee by using our own grief seeds to put Hallows on their locations. Probably not, though, since it'd raise the question of why we prefer that route.
 
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-[] Also offer to ward the hospitals against violence because that is generally a good thing to do, but also as discreet advertisement for Magical Girl home safety.

Not a fan of this subvote; the PC can only ward the volume of a two-bedroom apartment per day, and doing so uses all her mana. Fully warding even a single hospital would take weeks, and require just as long afterwards to give a full payback on investment. We should be saving our mana for better pursuits, like hunting witches, keeping a bare minimum in reserve for personal protection, and casting HH on the homes of MGs we meet.
 
It is my general opinion that radically changing the local understanding of physics, upending the lives of a bunch of people used to operating outside the law, and generally kicking off a revolution, is the oposite of stability. Do you want the first thing anyone thinks when they hear of you to be "The girl who went public"? Because it will be, forever.
What stability do you think we have right now? We don't even know yet that we'll be able to convince the meguca gangs to settle for protection money instead of conscription at swordpoint. Even then, not all stability is good stability; a stable bad situation is just a bad situation that you're going to have extra trouble breaking out of. A war that is on the verge of being won or lost is unstable; at any moment it could tip over into having been actually won or lost, and that's a heck of a lot better for the potential victor than stable trench warfare would be. The question, then, is whether the directions we can go with our instability are better or worse than the current situation. I believe that we stand to gain a significant amount from going public right now. As long as we don't botch it be being a creepy weirdo with healing powers rather than a healer with some other cool tricks, at least.
 
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Their relevance is that the local magical girls probably aren't ready or willing to formally declare war on the City of New York.
Has it occurred to you that these are teenagers? Not known for making rational decisions? While if they actually thought about it they probably wouldn't be, but I doubt they'd think about it in those terms immediately. The more immediate reaction would be outrage that the snotnosed new girl is involving outsiders in Magical Girl business. Even if they don't get immediately violent over it (and to be fair, I don't think it too likely they will) it will still foster resentment and make it harder to negotiate with them.

Basically I'm expecting them to react about as well to the police getting involved in their business as RL gangsters, with the added wild card of being a bunch of emotionally unstable teenagers.
 
[X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
 
[X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.

[1] Eyebrows
[2] Barrier
[3] Backrest
[4] Earring
[5] Sakura
 
Has it occurred to you that these are teenagers? Not known for making rational decisions? While if they actually thought about it they probably wouldn't be, but I doubt they'd think about it in those terms immediately. The more immediate reaction would be outrage that the snotnosed new girl is involving outsiders in Magical Girl business. Even if they don't get immediately violent over it (and to be fair, I don't think it too likely they will) it will still foster resentment and make it harder to negotiate with them.

Basically I'm expecting them to react about as well to the police getting involved in their business as RL gangsters, with the added wild card of being a bunch of emotionally unstable teenagers.
You contradict yourself.

The fact that Kyubey failed to mind-wipe the police officer clearly indicates that their secret little game is over. The masquerade is broken. They are part of the real world now.

If they're so unstable that they're willing to do IRL gangster shit in front of a police officer, then no amount of publicity we could possibly gather would help us in any way - if anything, they'd be less likely to notice or care about the subtle long-term effects of hurting someone with good PR.

If they think that they are so far above mundane law that they're willing to do IRL gangster shit in front of a police officer, then no amount of publicity we could possibly gather would help us in any way - they already believe that the police can't do anything to them, and the rest of the mundane world wouldn't be any greater concern. Getting pissy at us because we brought mundanes in on "magical girl business" falls into this category; that's the kind of thing you say when you're rejecting the idea that the government can demand that you follow its laws about protection rackets and so on and so forth.

So let's look at this:
[X] Head over to a local hospital and find out what you'd need to do to register as a healer. You expect (and look forward to) the media circus that will ensue when they realize you aren't joking and are perfectly willing to cut yourself to demonstrate.
-[X] Also offer to ward the hospitals against violence because that is generally a good thing to do, but also as discreet advertisement for Magical Girl home safety.
So you think that these unstable, violent, ultra-confident gangsters will do... what, exactly, in response to this? Leave us alone because we're such good people? Give any shits at all about how much money we have? No. They'll do exactly what they would normally, which is demand exactly as many grief seeds from us as we can provide without dying. If we have enough spare grief seeds to go around warding hospitals then they can clearly tax us more!

And, well, you can't possibly be counting on publicity as a defense, because we've just established that you believe that the magical girls we're going to be dealing with are unstable or megalomaniacal enough to believe that they could get away with doing shit in front of the police, much less where we might talk about it on the news.
Not a fan of this subvote; the PC can only ward the volume of a two-bedroom apartment per day, and doing so uses all her mana. Fully warding even a single hospital would take weeks, and require just as long afterwards to give a full payback on investment. We should be saving our mana for better pursuits, like hunting witches, keeping a bare minimum in reserve for personal protection, and casting HH on the homes of MGs we meet.
Agree.
 
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If they think that they are so far above mundane law that they're willing to do IRL gangster shit in front of a police officer, then no amount of publicity we could possibly gather would help us in any way - they already believe that the police can't do anything to them, and the rest of the mundane world wouldn't be any greater concern. Getting pissy at us because we brought mundanes in on "magical girl business" falls into this category; that's the kind of thing you say when you're rejecting the idea that the government can demand that you follow its laws about protection rackets and so on and so forth.
To be fair, V, we would still probably be seen a "snitch" or some equivalent, which may have been what @Odysseus2099 was talking about. Even if they don't openly attack us, it would probably hurt our rep with other MGs. And it doesn't mean they wouldn't, for example, launch a smear campaign, or otherwise try to undermine us. That's about what I'd expect from girls who, no matter how old they are, are physically still highschool or middle school-aged. If they're still thinking like teens, ratting others out is probably not going to make us popular.

And yes, I am well aware they'll still need to stop being knock-off gangsters at some point. And we may even be involved. However, I think open confrontation is putting the cart before the horse, here. Let them out themselves somehow, before we do it for them. That way, no one blames us, and we don't show off that we know what's likely to happen in the near future. Knowing that the masquerade is breaking ahead of time and showing it may make life...awkward.

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[x] Explore the surrounding area.
-[x] Bring your pets along.
-[x] Try to take note of landmarks, especially ones that aren't buildings, such as flower patches or trees.
 
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[X] Explore the surrounding area.
-[X] Bring your pets along

If witch hunting isn't on the table, I'd rather go exploring. New York is pretty much the most happening city on the planet, we're bound to find something cool.
 
"Go exploring" is code for "Random encounter with a magical girl". Especially if we bring our pets.
 
@Nixeu makes a good point about not being the reason magic gets outed.

[X] Explore the surrounding area.
-[X] Bring your pets along.
-[X] Try to take note of landmarks, especially ones that aren't buildings, such as flower patches or trees.
 
"Go exploring" is code for "Random encounter with a magical girl". Especially if we bring our pets.

It wouldn't be very random if that's guaranteed to happen; you're exactly as likely to encounter a MG as you would on, say, a hospital or NYPD run. No, it's exactly what it says: exploring so you aren't totally clueless about what's around the place you now live. It might help you remember, say, restaurants to bring friends, or what landmarks are close to your home.

EDIT: Bringing your pets along would scream "magic" to those in the know, though, increasing the odds of a MG encounter along that route (but by no means guaranteeing it).
 
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