If they come from the outsided what was with the parents who raised luna and celistia, that we meet when we first find selene. are they also outsiders, was luna born as selene, that made into an alicorn, was she born luna an alicorn because she has part of harmony. Because we know that the first alicorns are from outside. So is it the alicorns themselves or is it harmony that makes it so. also they know nothing about lores or how this world works so they must have come from a cosmos with out a consept of lores.
The Thing (lets call the original Outsider that become Celestia and Luna that) was an Outsider that has entered a covenant with Harmony to enter the world by birth.
Of course, when the Thing - or, rather, by that point the Sisters - were born, they were born to parents, or maybe adopted by parents. Is there a meaningful difference, really?
Anyway, some proofs in the form of quotes. Here's an except from one of the updates:
You feel as it drinks from your panic, and bathes in your fear. You feel as it exults in your essence, for your essence is far greater than that of regular ponies whose dream-doors it greedily lusted for.
After all, you were never a pony to begin with.
You are much greater. You are a creature of order, your flesh born into this world by choice, obeying its laws of entrance by birth, and of departure by death. Your soul smells of the outside, of the void between the lights, of the very thing it eternally aches to consume with never-ending thirst. It drinks deep from your mind's memories, then your body's sensations, then the very cornerstone of your soul. It sees the purpose for which you entered the world, and the light that invited you inside, and the mission that you accepted, and the covenant that you have made with it. It licks greedily the marrow of your very being as it sees in there the echo of that thing, that music that grows with every light-born thought of mortals, that nascent beacon in the never-ending darkness.
It sees the light of Harmony, the shining core of this world, reflected in your essence, it sees the marks of the pact you made with it.
And oh, how it causes the creature to want.
Underlined by me.
And from another:
You are standing on a balcony over the garden of a large estate, with several acres of farmlands stretching farther towards the distance. Green hills can be seen even further away, as well as a gentle river weaving a path between them until it makes its way out of your sight.
HALF A DOOR. HALF A PATH. HALF A BRIDGE.
The sky is perfectly blue and devoid of any clouds, and the sun is shining upon all of Equestria. It is, to the very definition of the word, a perfect day.
HALF A FATE. HALF AN OATH. HALF A SOUL.
But you could not care less about any of that.
HALF A DREAM. HALF A WILL. HALF A GOD.
Because your eyes are focused on one thing, and one thing alone.
IT IS SHAPED LIKE A FILLY, BUT IT IS NOT.
And that one thing is-
IT IS SHAPED LIKE A GODDESS, BUT IT IS NOT.
That one thing is-
A HALF-REMEMBERED KISS TO THE FOREHEAD. A HALF-FORGOTTEN SCREAM OF PAIN.
That thing is-
THE CERTAINTY THAT ONE BECAME TWO.
That thing-
A REPETITION OF THAT MOST ABOMINABLE OF FATES.
That-
IT CAME FROM THE OUTSIDE. PERFECT. COMPLETE. ALONE.
IT WAS ALLOWED ENTRANCE, SHELTER FROM THE DARKNESS. ON ONE CONDITION.
HALF A DOOR CANNOT BE OPENED. HALF A PATH CANNOT BE TREAD. HALF A BRIDGE LEADS NOWHERE.
BUT THE DOOR, AND THE PATH, AND THE BRIDGE, IF MADE WHOLE ONCE AGAIN, MAY STILL LEAD BACK TO THE THING THAT DIVIDED IT.
And that one thing is the filly that Velvet Covers said is Selene.
Invisitext was converted to red by me.
Nowhere is defined by not being in the light of the Glory, but still takes it existence from the Glory if only by its absence. Outside would by definition have to come from a completely separate universe, with its own different Glory, or at least the Same Glory but seen completely differently.
We don't actually
have any definition of Outside, anywhere. If you think we have, please quote it.
We do, however, have a definition for Nowhere:
To go down is to move away from it. And that which Glory's light cannot reach is nothing. The places where Glory does not shine is Nowhere.
Anywhere where Glory does not shine is Nowhere. The true definition of "down" is away from Glory.
Does Glory shine in the Outside, again? Because the Thing was "allowed shelter from the darkness", which is not consistent with the Glory's light. Like, I am not sure, maybe these are
intersecting, not equal, or maybe Outside is a
subset of Nowhere, even more restrictive, but I see no reason to consider them definitionally different. If you do, please provide me with quotes you are basing your opinion on.
Edit: that is not to say they are
certainly the same thing. There is none. That is to say, there isn't any certainty in the opposite either.
