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To be fair, Aranfan wasn't wrong. That whole "live always from the family" deal is/was a bad, bad move, and arguably irresponsible with regards to his duties.

The mere fact that he wasn't aware of the problem is a sign of failure. The fact that Dandeer turned to Sealing her husband and not Vegeta, or the fact that she placed more trust in Berra(little as it is/was) then him is a distinctly bad sign.
 
That said, if anyone wants to escalate, here is an un-x'd final version of my vote:


[] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[] "Because you failed in your duty as Patriarch to reign in Vegeta. Your son nearly killed your grandson, and you were nowhere to be found. You broke your son, and didn't do anything to prevent him from breaking your grandson in turn. My Father is still alive only because Jaffur wasn't broken yet, but your negligence played no part in that."

If it gets three other people to vote for it I may vote for it as well.
 
Gore17 said:
To be fair, Aranfan wasn't wrong. That whole "live always from the family" deal is/was a bad, bad move, and arguably irresponsible with regards to his duties.

The mere fact that he wasn't aware of the problem is a sign of failure. The fact that Dandeer turned to Sealing her husband and not Vegeta, or the fact that she placed more trust in Berra(little as it is/was) then him is a distinctly bad sign.
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Not saying he was wrong. I found it funny in the same panicked way I view the American election. Objectively funny, subjectively horrifying. However, I don't think we should be the one to tell him that. Not after we chose to mediate. So long as we keep him from losing his temper and allow Dandeer to say what she wants (under the umbrella of our protection), it is eventually going to get around to it.

On that last point, I would like to say that I still think she used him specifically because he was the only one she could have used to do it. Which would explain her silent apology.
She is my last hope, and my greatest, shining champion. Somehow I knew it would come down to this. Holy, Penitent, and Saint, forgive me for deceiving Berra.
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[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
 
[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] "Because you failed in your duty as Patriarch to reign in Vegeta. Your son nearly killed your grandson, and you were nowhere to be found. You broke your son, and didn't do anything to prevent him from breaking your grandson in turn. My Father is still alive only because Jaffur wasn't broken yet, but your negligence played no part in that."

Won't win, but fuck him.
 
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
 
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Hmmm.... I sorta want to try to convince him he should get her to unseal Jaffur first/instead and take responsibility for his broken condition or something like that, but not sure on details or if it's even wise.
 
Alex pears said:
Its a new thing that's turned up.

QM basically tells the thread not to vote for X amount of time to properly digest what happened ect.
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Oh, thank Apollo. I've been pushing the concept for years.



Aranfan said:
That said, if anyone wants to escalate, here is an un-x'd final version of my vote:


[] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[] "Because you failed in your duty as Patriarch to reign in Vegeta. Your son nearly killed your grandson, and you were nowhere to be found. You broke your son, and didn't do anything to prevent him from breaking your grandson in turn. My Father is still alive only because Jaffur wasn't broken yet, but your negligence played no part in that."

If it gets three other people to vote for it I may vote for it as well.
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Oh, if you want to escalate:

[] "Ask your granddaughter."​
 
[] Move in-between them.
-[] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
 
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Lailoken said:
Oh, thank Apollo. I've been pushing the concept for years.





Oh, if you want to escalate:

[] "Ask your granddaughter."​
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A bit confusing though, since Dandeer does have a living daughter. Yanmar would probably assume we are talking of that one.
 
Bakkasama said:
A bit confusing though, since Dandeer does have a living daughter. Yanmar would probably assume we are talking of that one.
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Jarron isn't exactly Broly, but that's no reason to call him a girl.

Edit: Wow I just reread the opening post. I'd completely forgotten about Jaffur's sister. I wonder what she's been up to.
 
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Rmnimoc said:
Jarron isn't exactly Broly, but that's no reason to call him a girl.

Edit: Wow I just reread the opening post. I'd completely forgotten about Jaffur's sister. I wonder what she's been up to.
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Nothing much I presume. She is too young to have been let out of her mask for the first time yet so presumably she thinks she is human.
 
Rmnimoc said:
Jarron isn't exactly Broly, but that's no reason to call him a girl.

Edit: Wow I just reread the opening post. I'd completely forgotten about Jaffur's sister. I wonder what she's been up to.
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The sealing of Jaffur looks a little too much like what Brolys dad did to him and we all know how that ended. So I am kinda expecting him to go Nuclear at some point:whistle: Maybe I am wrong but it's the closest thing I can compare to in cannon.
 
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KnightDisciple said:
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
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I have strong doubts that this'll work. Yammar has authority, demands it. Attempting to undercut it like this when the topic is so personal will very likely end in failure as far as I can tell.
 
Not closed yet. However:

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 157 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
No. of Votes: 9
Gore17
Aranfan
Chaossama
Fastrike
Kairos123
Karnax626
KnightDisciple
veekie
Walkin' Man

[X] Stand back.
-[X] But If your mentioned then dont be afraid to speak up.
- [X] ESPECIALLY IF MENTIONED IN TERMS OF HELPING WITH THE SEALING.
No. of Votes: 3
anailater
Lupercal
Orisha91

[X] Stand back.
No. of Votes: 1
SMuha

[X] Provide said single reason
-[X] Because in addition to the fact that _ murdering someone while I'm mediating is very rude to me, meaning I'd have to try to intervene to stop it and get beaten up and then my grandma would jump in and then we'd have a civil war, if she's killed before making her full argument then there will always be a niggling doubt in the minds of the masses that maybe she was right. Also, if anyone should get to pass judgement on her, it should be her son.
No. of Votes: 1
Rmnimoc

[X] Get mad. "I just got these people calmed down, and now you!" (Possibility of saying more than you intend as the dam breaks on a failed DC 65 Willpower check)
No. of Votes: 1
ChildishChimera

[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] "Because you failed in your duty as Patriarch to reign in Vegeta. Your son nearly killed your grandson, and you were nowhere to be found. You broke your son, and didn't do anything to prevent him from breaking your grandson in turn. My Father is still alive only because Jaffur wasn't broken yet, but your negligence played no part in that."
No. of Votes: 1
Kelirapc

Total No. of Voters: 16

I have merged the various, "step between them," votes with the different sub-votes together on the grounds that none of them, should they win, will produce meaningfully different end results from each other. NetTally is gloriously efficient for this task. I am happy that I switched and will gladly direct others to it if asked.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I have merged the various, "step between them," votes with the different sub-votes together on the grounds that none of them, should they win, will produce meaningfully different end results from each other.
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I'm fine with it. Nice to know there is no appreciable difference. Vegeta is either far calmer or angrier than I thought he was.
 
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
--[x] If he refuses to stand down, point out that he shouldn't even be here, because he'd have been sitting with you and grandma if he was. So you politely request him to GTFO.
---[x] If he still refuses, make him leave. With grandma's help if necessary.


So this is my modification.
 
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