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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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TempestK said:
As is yours. The assumption that waiting will be okay. Because you know what? It's been "Oh, one more turn won't hurt" for the last four turns. Every turn we wait? They get more addicts added to their ranks. They spread their influence just that little bit more. They get one more person thinking about how they can get powers, even if it means risking death. The drugs are "more stable" not "completely stable". There are still people dying from them. Which hasn't seemed to register to you. This. Is. A. THREAT. Treat it like one!
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Except all of this is not on our turf it's in shego's. Hell it's called the midtown drug ring A.k.a. Shego's backyard.

how would you respond if she sent spies into our territory and interacted with a problem we were trying to get resolved? I don't know about you but I would consider her to be either responsible or trying to bring them into her fold.
 
TempestK said:
As is yours. The assumption that waiting will be okay. Because you know what? It's been "Oh, one more turn won't hurt" for the last four turns. Every turn we wait? They get more addicts added to their ranks. They spread their influence just that little bit more. They get one more person thinking about how they can get powers, even if it means risking death. The drugs are "more stable" not "completely stable". There are still people dying from them. Which hasn't seemed to register to you. This. Is. A. THREAT. Treat it like one!
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It is a threat just not an immediate one

My assumption that they're not an immediate threat that has to be dealt with this turn is backed up by the fact that we have no reason to believe that the drug ring is present in our territory, that they have any immediate plans to expand into our territory or that any of their customer have spread into out territory

All things that would have almost certainly been brought to our attention if they were true

Whereas your assumption that they're an immediate threat that absolutely must be dealt with this turn is, as far as I can tell, based on nothing other than your belief that that's true and at most a specific reading of the map that suggests that one of the cities that the Drug Ring has influence in I said maybe in the very fringe of our territory
 
Cjdavis103 said:
how would you respond if she sent spies into our territory and interacted with a problem we were trying to get resolved? I don't know about you but I would consider her to be either responsible or trying to bring them into her fold.
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Except it's completely counter to everything we've done that Shego knows of. Plus, Russ is FBI, not CIA. So he's not going to support a drug ring.
 
TempestK said:
Except it's completely counter to everything we've done that Shego knows of. Plus, Russ is FBI, not CIA. So he's not going to support a drug ring.
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Just out of curiosity, if we get WoG that the smash crime action applied to our whole territory (rather than just our capital), would you be alright putting off action against the drug ring until after we reach out to Shego?
 
jonasquinn said:
immediate threat that absolutely must be dealt with this turn is, as far as I can tell,
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No. My point has been that we need to know the extent of the threat. This is not a "deal with them" thing. It's a "have some actual actionable intelligence" thing. You know, the thing that you need in order to actually know how far they may or may not have infiltrated our territory?
 
QTesseract said:
In fairness, it might be a black ops unit or similar that follows quest mechanics rather than national action mechanics. I don't expect it to be, but I don't think it's mechanically impossible just because of the rolls involved.
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I'm... not sure other factions can go on quests. And, even if they did? I imagine they'd look vastly different than the obvious rival Nation Actions... similar to how Toffee's action to reach out to us seems to have been a Personal Action. And, I also doubt that it's being worked on by a black ops unit. Even if it was, then it would still get Shego's Intrigue stat added to that, as that's how all rival actions operate, King first then hero unit. So unless she has a "vassal" faction working for... it's almost certain that the dryg ring isn't working for Shego.
 
TempestK said:
No. My point has been that we need to know the extent of the threat. This is not a "deal with them" thing. It's a "have some actual actionable intelligence" thing. You know, the thing that you need in order to actually know how far they may or may not have infiltrated our territory?
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Okay but why is investigating them such an immediate priority that we can't afford to reach out to Shego first?
 
Mojave said:
Just out of curiosity, if we get WoG that the smash crime action applied to our whole territory (rather than just our capital), would you be alright putting off action against the drug ring until after we reach out to Shego?
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At this juncture? No. Because then it'll be some other thing. And then something else. And then something else. We have put it off for too long. And you said that you were down with supporting looking into the drug ring this turn as well.

jonasquinn said:
Okay but why is investigating them such an immediate priority that we can't afford to reach out to Shego first?
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Yeah, I'm done if you're going to be deliberately obtuse. I have said. Several times. That if we do both actions, it makes narrative sense that the reach out would happen first, and then we'd go in. But you keep ignoring me so I'm done.
 
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TempestK said:
At this juncture? No. Because then it'll be some other thing. And then something else. And then something else. We have put it off for too long. And you said that you were down with supporting looking into the drug ring this turn as well.
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The main argument for putting it off has always been that we should reach out to Shego first

I'm sure that the majority of people would be more than happy to investigate them once we've done that
 
jonasquinn said:
Okay but why is investigating them such an immediate priority that we can't afford to reach out to Shego first?
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Well, for me... it's because, even though she's almost certainly not involved with them... she might not care abiut them now. They're making more capes, so... why care if they're operating in her territory? Especially if they haven't made moves against her.

Also, even if she is in charge of it... why would she tell us about it. Reaching out to her doesn't mean we know everything about her. Heck, there might not even be a single mention of the drug ring when we talk to Shego. I mean... how would that even come up?

"Oh, hey Doof, I'm running that very large drug ring giving people super powers." ?
 
TempestK said:
At this juncture? No. Because then it'll be some other thing. And then something else. And then something else. We have put it off for too long. And you said that you were down with supporting looking into the drug ring this turn as well.
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The recent information in regards to Toffee has discouraged me somewhat, as has the plot to install Roger as a mayoral candidate.

I also just really want to hear Shego's side of it.
 
Can't we just trust Shego/whoever we send to do the appropriate thing in contacting each other when we investigate the drug ring?

If Shego has looked into it, and has discovered it's gone into/near our territory, and hasn't told us nor has made any plans to tell us about it if we come sniffing around for it... that's on her, not us.
 
TempestK said:
Yeah, I'm done if you're going to be deliberately obtuse. I have said. Several times. That if we do both actions, it makes narrative sense that the reach out would happen first, and then we'd go in. But you keep ignoring me so I'm done.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't deliberately ignoring you I just hadn't seen that

And while you're right that it would make narrative sense for the reach out to happen first we wouldn't get the advantage of any possible DC reductions and if one of the two actions were to fail that would almost certainly effect the other

This is clearly something you feel strongly about however so I won't try to change your mind any further
Habstab said:
Well, for me... it's because, even though she's almost certainly not involved with them... she might not care abiut them now. They're making more capes, so... why care if they're operating in her territory? Especially if they haven't made moves against her
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Presumably because having a bunch of super powered junkies with robots running about her territory, even if they aren't actively opposing her yet, is bad for business

Plus since they are in her territory she almost certainly has more information on them than we do which could help if she agrees to share it with us
Habstab said:
Also, even if she is in charge of it... why would she tell us about it. Reaching out to her doesn't mean we know everything about her. Heck, there might not even be a single mention of the drug ring when we talk to Shego. I mean... how would that even come up?
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She probably won't tell us anything about it at the actual meeting but if we reach out to her first then on the investigation she might fill us in on some basic information if she has it and knows we're investigating but at the very least it'll make it easier for our men to get into her territory if they don't have to avoid her security
 
Mmm i don't want the dug problem in our Territory. mostly because idk if Shego has something with it. It is giving me vibes of Mass control bias alcohol, like dictatorships in russia did in the past, with vodka. Of courserthat is something, IF shego has hands into it.

I think we should investigate with precaution, we could ask Shego if she knows something of it, so we don't ruin our relationships with her.

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Regarding Doom problem i been meditating about my last comment and been analyzing the problem with detail. We should not direclty attack him, but collect information and do indirect actions to him. The thing is that We have met Knowledge of Doom. But we don't know how many heroes he has, nor the abilities of said heroes. We don't know if he has some ace, hidding to defend himself. So seeing things for Know, the good actions will be Recon, Knowledge gathering, and investing in LA. So we can have some grounds in La (It doesnt have to be anything special, we could try to open a bueno Nacho there, or even buy a bussiness, or a beach house, anything to get insight and gather more knowledge of Doom).

In the regards of defending ourselves, of attacks, i think that for Now, we should continue in the defense, gathering knowledge and power for our armies.
 
The Drug ring I think is because of Clone Lizy. She is one to well throw science at the wall to see what works in her quest to fix the original.
 
Alex Sol said:
how far Xanatos will go to bring her back? If for example he resorts to time travel, it can cause bad end.
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If it's a stable loop where Xanatos switches out Fox for a double I could see it turning alright. Or if it's him jumping to an alternate past timeline instead of the actual past. Though I don't know how time travel is handled in Gargoyles.
Black.Horus said:
This will also leave Dance Magic for Tobe to learn next turn and everyone knows dancing is better when done in groups.
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TFS Ginyu Force? Sounds like the Ginyu Force which I'd love.
 
Hey folks, recent message from C-Moon in the Discord. I forget who mentioned it, but someone said donating an amount to the Fox Xanatos Memorial Fund was a good idea. C-Moon is willing to add that as a personal action if it gets traction. If you also think it's a good idea (this turn or in the coming turns), consider reacting to this post or posting similarly.
 
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Mojave said:
Hey folks, recent message from C-Moon in the Discord. I forget who mentioned it, but someone said donating a magically significant amount to the Fox Xanatos Memorial Fund was a good idea. C-Moon is willing to add that as a personal action if it gets traction. If you also think it's a good idea (this turn or in the coming turns), consider reacting to this post or posting similarly.
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I'm down for it. Do we in character know magically significant numbers, or will we need to ask Felldrake presumably?

Given our current set of personal actions, that would leave us with only one free to do Chat with boss man or make up with Roger or so forth, because this new one,
Spellbook, and Dickens are basically must picks, but I'd vote for it in a plan.
 
Mojave said:
Hey folks, recent message from C-Moon in the Discord. I forget who mentioned it, but someone said donating a magically significant amount to the Fox Xanatos Memorial Fund was a good idea. C-Moon is willing to add that as a personal action if it gets traction. If you also think it's a good idea (this turn or in the coming turns), consider reacting to this post or posting similarly.
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I'm down for it, if it means getting better relations with xanatos.
 
Ehhhh, I feel like it's playing things a little too cute. If I was Xanatos and my wife had actually died I'd be like "I get it, you know about magic, shut up already. This isn't the time."
 
Mojave said:
Hey folks, recent message from C-Moon in the Discord. I forget who mentioned it, but someone said donating a magically significant amount to the Fox Xanatos Memorial Fund was a good idea. C-Moon is willing to add that as a personal action if it gets traction. If you also think it's a good idea (this turn or in the coming turns), consider reacting to this post or posting similarly.
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i'll support this.
 
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