Roger Hope Poster
As the person who brought up Roger's political career in the first place, I feel responsible for this idea to an extent and thus will promise some photoshopped campaign posters for Roger for if we do this plan. Any and all exp earned from such photos will obviously go towards Roger's campaign.
Speaking of which; here. Got told this plan would gain more traction if we already had a poster sooo.....

Can't go wrong with a Hope poster parody, and it's something toons can use now anyway.
 
If the drug ring spread into Doofania I feel like the text wouldn't shy away from just saying that. It wouldn't be "it spread into city x, a city that might be part of you're territory depending on how the border works" it would say "it has slowly begun to spread into the outskirts of you're territory/Doofania."

I'm assuming, of course, obviously, but it's an assumption that has a fair amount of merit to it I feel.
 
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On a completely unrelated note to our plans for the future: the past!

I'm doing a bit of rereading, because this Quest is good, and I like it, and I'm hitting the parts where we first recruited Janna and wow does that look different with greater context.

Like, obviously, mechanically speaking, having her prank Doof was something we wanted her to do, sure. But narratively, the pranks were something that our precocious little prestidigitator decided to do all on her own. Which is of course funny, and in-character, but with the knowledge of her Tragic Backstory...

...hanging out with the boss's daughter. Poking and prodding at every inch of the organization she could get her hands on. Checking our wallets for incriminating information. Pranks, upon pranks, upon pranks, exactly the same as what she did to Max, but on a much larger scale, appropriate for a billionaire mad scientist who openly declares himself Evil.

The poor girl was testing to see if she was even safe around us. Janna was so scared.
 
Nah. At this point I see an independent investigation into the drug ring as a critical expression of our power and independence as a King. We need to do it without Shego's permission, or we're just her vassal.
 
On a completely unrelated note to our plans for the future: the past!

I'm doing a bit of rereading, because this Quest is good, and I like it, and I'm hitting the parts where we first recruited Janna and wow does that look different with greater context.

Like, obviously, mechanically speaking, having her prank Doof was something we wanted her to do, sure. But narratively, the pranks were something that our precocious little prestidigitator decided to do all on her own. Which is of course funny, and in-character, but with the knowledge of her Tragic Backstory...

...hanging out with the boss's daughter. Poking and prodding at every inch of the organization she could get her hands on. Checking our wallets for incriminating information. Pranks, upon pranks, upon pranks, exactly the same as what she did to Max, but on a much larger scale, appropriate for a billionaire mad scientist who openly declares himself Evil.

The poor girl was testing to see if she was even safe around us. Janna was so scared.
Great, thanks a lot AProcrastinator, now I want to stab lizards!!
 
Doofania

What I said was that at absolute most this drug ring is present in one of our cities, at the very edge of our territory, if a very specific reading it the map is correct and we have absolutely no reason to believe that they're any bigger than that

Theres a word for that. It's called a "foothold". You know. What you need to make an invasion stick. It starts small. One camp. One bay on the coast. One small city on the edges of your territory. And then shortly after you have people pillaging your towns and citizens.

Being friendly with Shego is a nonissue. Even if it is her stuff she isnt going to take a polite "please stop that." And go "Aw shucks you got me.". If it's not, all asking her about it does is make us look stupid and unaware of what's going on in our own area of influence. Want her as an ally? She respects Strength and Evilitude. Show it and she might come around to the idea. Make us seem like an easy mark and she'll eat us alive.
 
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Nah. At this point I see an independent investigation into the drug ring as a critical expression of our power and independence as a King. We need to do it without Shego's permission, or we're just her vassal.

I honestly have no idea how you are coming to these conclusions and fundamentally disagree.

Building cooperation and positive relationships in no way make one a vassal.

And investigating a drug ring, which no one would know we did anyway, is hardly a grand expression of power and independence.
 
Does anyone else see why I'm a little tetchy about this "we don't want to upset Shego" bullshit?
See the thing is Shego actually considers herself a CEO and not a leader while Doof has the opposite issue. She just as likely not to care( because law enforcement is the police's job while her's is to make money) as to care.

Also, are we sure the drugs are not coming from Doris out of Florida? Considering the direction of movement, she could be a culprit.
 
Also, are we sure the drugs are not coming from Doris out of Florida? Considering the direction of movement, she could be a culprit.

We can tell one thing for sure.

The rolls don't line up with Shego's stats.

Shego is Martial 68 Stewardship 27 Intrigue 22 Diplomacy 18 (or, at least she was as of the Sands Gala).

The drug ring shows none of those values in their operations and they started operating before the gala, so it would show.

It is not a Shego operation, although they may have some kind of arrangement with her.
 
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We can tell one thing for sure.

The rolls don't line up with Shego's stats.

Shego is Martial 68 Stewardship 27 Intrigue 22 Diplomacy 18 (or, at least she was as of the Sands Gala).

The drug ring shows none of those values in their operations and they started operating before the gala, so it would show.

It is not a Shego operation, although they may have some kind of arrangement with her.
In fairness, it might be a black ops unit or similar that follows quest mechanics rather than national action mechanics. I don't expect it to be, but I don't think it's mechanically impossible just because of the rolls involved.
 
There's an excellent chance that it's not a King; there's all sorts of secondary and tertiary level threats out there, as we saw after the gala when Lizzie and Stanley ran roughshod over Doofania. A better question is what Disney franchise involves power-producing super drugs?
 
Theres a word for that. It's called a "foothold". You know. What you need to make an invasion stick. It starts small. One camp. One bay on the borders of your territory. One small city on the edges of your territory. And then shortly after you have people pillaging your towns and citizens.
Okay that's still assuming that that specific reading of the map is correct, ignoring that the spread of a criminal organisation is nothing like an actual war, that there's been absolutely no solid mention of them being in our territory which their almost certainly would've been if they were and that we have no reason whatsoever to believe that waiting one turn to talk to Shego would be disastrous for some reason

@Made in Heaven can we get some confirmation on whether or not the drug ring has expanded into our territory?
Being friendly with Shego is a nonissue.
It really isn't, she's a very powerful neighbour and one of the only ones that we aren't almost certainly going to be hostile with

Pissing her off serves absolutely no purpose
Even if it is her stuff she isnt going to take a polite "please stop that." And go "Aw shucks you got me.".
Again assuming that that reading of the map is right and if it is her and we have a good relation with her A) She might involve us in it which could be advantageous B) Give us a sample of some of the drugs which we might be able to improve and C) Might be able to come to an arrangement between equals who respect each other to keep her super drugs out of our territory

None of which are possible if we piss her off unnecessarily
If it's not, all asking her about it does is make us look stupid and unaware of what's going on in our own area of influence.
Only if it actually is in our territory, which it very well might not be, and reaching out to her makes future investigation easier because our agent said wouldn't need to avoid her forces as well as the drug ring itself
She respects Strength and Evilitude. Show it and she might come around to the idea. Make us seem like an easy mark and she'll eat us alive.
She respects being respected and competence, if we walk into a meeting with her and say "Oh by the way I had my men infiltrate your territory and investigate that drug ring here's what we found out" her respons won't be "wow you're so strong and cool Doofenshmirtz" it'll be "you did fucking what!? The sheer disrespect it takes to come into my territory and look into my business before you even had the decency to reach out to me is ridiculous"
Friendly powers often spy on each other. Sure, it isn't acknowledged, but it happens.
Of course they do but they don't infiltrate criminal organisations right under the noses of other friendly nations that haven't done anything to them without at least reaching out to that country

And they especially don't rub the results of that investigation into their friendly neighbours face as a reminder of their power and independence
 
Okay that's still assuming that that specific reading of the map is correct, ignoring that the spread of a criminal organisation is nothing like an actual war, that there's been absolutely no solid mention of them being in our territory which their almost certainly would've been if they were and that we have no reason whatsoever to believe that waiting one turn to talk to Shego would be disastrous for some reason

@Made in Heaven can we get some confirmation on whether or not the drug ring has expanded into our territory?

It really isn't, she's a very powerful neighbour and one of the only ones that we aren't almost certainly going to be hostile with

Pissing her off serves absolutely no purpose

Again assuming that that reading of the map is right and if it is her and we have a good relation with her A) She might involve us in it which could be advantageous B) Give us a sample of some of the drugs which we might be able to improve and C) Might be able to come to an arrangement between equals who respect each other to keep her super drugs out of our territory

None of which are possible if we piss her off unnecessarily

Only if it actually is in our territory, which it very well might not be, and reaching out to her makes future investigation easier because our agent said wouldn't need to avoid her forces as well as the drug ring itself

She respects being respected and competence, if we walk into a meeting with her and say "Oh by the way I had my men infiltrate your territory and investigate that drug ring here's what we found out" her respons won't be "wow you're so strong and cool Doofenshmirtz" it'll be "you did fucking what!? The sheer disrespect it takes to come into my territory and look into my business before you even had the decency to reach out to me is ridiculous"

Of course they do but they don't infiltrate criminal organisations right under the noses of other friendly nations that haven't done anything to them without at least reaching out to that country

And they especially don't rub the results of that investigation into their friendly neighbours face as a reminder of their power and independence
You're really missing my entire point and tossing out stuff I've never even suggested, and continue to hammer on the same arguement over and over instead of actually addressing anything I've said, so I'm done engaging with you.
 
Okay that's still assuming that that specific reading of the map is correct, ignoring that the spread of a criminal organisation is nothing like an actual war, that there's been absolutely no solid mention of them being in our territory which their almost certainly would've been if they were
You've obviously never played Shadowrun. It is completely believable that the drug ring has infiltrated our territory without us knowing, especially given that they're selling nootropics. Brain boosters. This is a very smart operation, I can totally see them flying under the radar as best they can. And with disguised supers backing them up, they can take over other gang's territories with ease. The Crips and Bloods are old news. The Hell's Angels had their wings plucked. There's a whole new breed of criminal growing in the underworld, and we need to actively know what we're up against. Playing mushroom means we get caught on the backfoot when things inevitably start blowing up.
 
You're really missing my entire point and tossing out stuff I've never even suggested, and continue to hammer on the same arguement over and over instead of actually addressing anything I've said, so I'm done engaging with you.
As far as I can tell I've addressed everything you've said and the argument I keep,repeating is that the entire basis of you're argument is based on an assumption
You've obviously never played Shadowrun. It is completely believable that the drug ring has infiltrated our territory without us knowing, especially given that they're selling nootropics. Brain boosters. This is a very smart operation, I can totally see them flying under the radar as best they can. And with disguised supers backing them up, they can take over other gang's territories with ease. The Crips and Bloods are old news. The Hell's Angels had their wings plucked. There's a whole new breed of criminal growing in the underworld, and we need to actively know what we're up against. Playing mushroom means we get caught on the backfoot when things inevitably start blowing up.
If we were in Shadowrun you'd be right but we're in a quest where we get an update every turn of what other people are up to, have gotten a list of basically every town they've expanded into and with how noticeable the effects of their products are it would be extremely obvious if they were active in our territory
 
@Made in Heaven people keep talking about collaborating with Xanatos to Lobby against the SRA. Would the lobbying occur this turn or would it just be a action that made a action for next turn?
 
As far as I can tell I've addressed everything you've said and the argument I keep,repeating is that the entire basis of you're argument is based on an assumption
As is yours. The assumption that waiting will be okay. Because you know what? It's been "Oh, one more turn won't hurt" for the last four turns. Every turn we wait? They get more addicts added to their ranks. They spread their influence just that little bit more. They get one more person thinking about how they can get powers, even if it means risking death. The drugs are "more stable" not "completely stable". There are still people dying from them. Which hasn't seemed to register to you. This. Is. A. THREAT. Treat it like one!
 
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The problem with this approach is that it forces us to commit all or nearly all our actions to constantly fighting our chosen enemies just to stay intact, because if we leave our enemies alone they come back and hurt us in an attempt to win the 'war.' Notice how Doom started using Diplomacy actions to hurt us now, after multiple turns of us not actually doing much against him.

Also, it means we're very likely to find ourselves in a position where we can't leverage strength in one area against an enemy who's strong in another. Not without dangerously neglecting another enemy. We won't be able to develop tech that helps us against Toffee if we're busy actively trying to beat the MCP in cyberspace. We won't be able to use Diplomacy to turn allies against Toffee if any allies we gain are realizing that aligning with us means aligning against several other Kings who all pose separate and significant different types of threat.

And trying to prosecute wars with all our different action types at a time, against enemies who are in theory free to concentrate all their actions on squashing us if we become a threat, is a losing proposition.

Thats the WORST CASE SCENARIO.

most likely the cyber front is unlikely to become an issue because DoofOS was already our domain so long as we don't poke either Candy or MCP we gain all the benifts of cyberspace without conflict.

Doom is an annoyance not an actual threat.
 
Yeah, I'm on board with at least INVESTIGATING the drug dealers. Even if we're not in position to crack down on it or they're not (yet) that dangerous, I would very much like to have a better idea of the scale of the problem.
 
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