So I recently started following this story and I haven't read through all 400 pages of text, so I wonder when Doof will realize that outside of taking over the tri-state area and probably expansion that he's pretty much the good guy. Also, I know most of the heroes are dead in hiding or captured by the villains and are in a dark dark dungeon somewhere. But when will the recruitment of said heroes happen, I mean we already have Max and goofy and I know they aren't superhero's, but they are still hero's of a sort, or start resurrecting some of those heroes because who better to fight the new mega corps than their old hero's with the backing of the DEI.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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- Crossover
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Well, in the canonical timeline, Vanessa basically managed such an epiphany by pointing out he was mostly lonely and desperate for attention rather than evil. She might be able to do it here.
We're working on finding Star and McGucket(Star Vs and Gravity Falls, respectively) most of them seem to have a bad case of dead though. Malifishmirtz indicates this isn't insurmountable, but is likely to have downsides unless specifically arranged for in life, such as being action-intensive or resource-intensive even for a Megacorp, and making them of limited use in general. I doubt we could use Malifishmirtz for, say, a Stewardship Action, partly because he's a ghost and will have trouble with physical interactions, and there's likely to be a social malus as well. Basically, if we have a ghost, if it's not sufficiently weird or insulated from the outside world(ie fusion research is liable to be okay, but most Diplomacy Actions are likely to suffer maluses if they are workable at all), they're likely to be ineligible for the Action. Occult Actions don't have this problem for obvious reasons.
Khan was a one-time thing. Cloning dead Heroes would swiftly make death cheaper than Dragon Ball/Marvel, outside of a Bill victory.
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- England
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- He/Him
We'll save the heroes as we find them. Finding thems the hard part.
nkd1325
KNIGHT OF ORANGE
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- AT HIS MAJESTY'S SIDE
Currently the heroes we want to find the most are Star Butterfly, who we are 95% certain is alive, and Scrooge McDuck, who is likely dead but just as likely kept as a debt slave by Glomgold so he can brag. Searching for Donald is the current focus right now though as he'd be decent unit and would probably give us a way to find Scrooge if he's alive.
Star yes. McGucket? Hell no. We saw his trading card and he has 3 negative stats and is utterly insane. Sure he has a learning of at least 40 but he's a time bomb of chaos and probably has a combination of Janna and Jumba's bad traits.
If we find him we find him, but I don't want to actively search for him right now.
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I see your point, but also resurrection it can be cheap if there are no repercussions, but it can be handled better and still have death not be cheap. But I was more rambling out thoughts into text than seriously suggesting it, though there might be people who would actually ask and or try and make Doof resurrect someone since he's already done it with Genghis Khan if they even realize that Genghis is actually that Genghis.
Thing is, he may be the best and comparatively safest Chance we'll ever get to gain Information on Bill Cipher and how to fight him. Yeah, I know, anything involving Bill is a while off and we do have more immediate stuff to focus on right now, but we shouldn't dismiss McGuckett so easily.
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- Idaho
Not to mention if we help him regain his sanity and memories, he will have an immense stats and loyalty boost.we just have to spend some actions on it like we did with Wylie Coyote.
nkd1325
KNIGHT OF ORANGE
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- AT HIS MAJESTY'S SIDE
Like I said. If we find him we find him. Star and Scrooge are a far higher priority to look for (you know since one is being actively hunted and the other might be wasting away in debt to Glomgold) and we can just recruit a high learning advisor outright next turn in Ludwig Von Drake and we just picked one up in Jumba.
As for his value in fighting Bill, we'd have to fix his renewed and bolstered insanity to get anywhere. We could put him in Technor's care every turn and It'd still probably take half a dozen turns to get him talking coherently about Bill
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Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
I'm very much pushing the other direction and hoping we make our brand of evil socially acceptable to the wider public. It would probably have a net positive effect, weirdly enough.
It sure as hell beats the status quo.
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- Germany
My worry is simply that by going officially Hero we might turn the narrative against us.
After all, this is a verse "where the VILLAINS won", and if we stopped being villains in therms of our narrative we might end up getting curbstomped and stuff to uphold the story.
Stupid fear, I know, but I can´t help it.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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- Florida
That's definitely an unfounded concern. The game does not work that way.
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- Germany
Well, considering that stuff like the Toonforce are a thing, it wouldn´t have surprised me at all.
There are other options to a Khan situation.
Like "the Son of Perry the Platypus!", just a little baby.
AProcrastinator
You can Certainly Try
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- Getting Somewhere
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- She/Hers
The fact that Toons run partially or completely on narrative is what makes them special and noteworthy; that inherently means that the rest of the world follows no such laws.
In game terms, even the Toons run on roll of the dice first and narrative second. Toonforce simply gives them some unique opportunities, unique weaknesses, and different opportunities than our other hero units.
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- California,USA
I mean...in the wise words of Wrek it Ralph's themes
"Your a BAD guy...but your not an Evil Guy...there is a difference between Evil as a Job and Evil as a state of mind"
Doof is Evil as a Job, he can stop and be genuinely heroic on occasion while doing evil things.
Now certain other Kings are the latter and should be stopped. If only out of pragmatism.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
So, the difference between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil, basically. Well, Doof is pretty Chaotic, but he's a lot more 'Gentleman Thief' than, say, Syndrome.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
Ah, but if you make it a whole world of villains... where "evil" is embraced right down to the volunteers at the humane society? Well, villains won but everyone won.
Who is a hero trying to save? Who is a force of darkness trying to overthrow? We're all the bad guys here!
Welcome to the dark side, everyone. We brought cookies.
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weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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- Florida
That wasn't what he was referring to. He was talking about an "evil force" that would punish Doof for not being labelled as a bad guy anymore. Which is not anything to be worried about in this game.
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- California,USA
Oh...well I still brought it up a while ago that its really not in Doof's nature to really be evil compared to other kings, heck in this mad and Evil World, I'd go so far as to say he's the best chance anyone has at a better future.
After all in one timeline he became the man who protects time itself. I like his chances as an Anti Hero. After all Evil is only a word.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
I mean, he's barely a bad guy as-is. I doubt such a cosmic force would be fooled by a label. Then again, Murphy's Law was.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
Eh. Anti-heroes have theoretically noble goals that they go about in the most assholish way possible. Anti-villains are the ones who are doing theoretically terrible things while being really great guys about it.
We're just a guy with dreams of luftschiffs and bratwurst. I'd like to be an anti-villain but right now our actual goals are too vague to even do that.
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- California,USA
Then Anti-Villan then...though Doof already was one when he started, its only more apparent now.
He's almost a good guy, Vennessa say's as much when she tells him in the finale.
I think the only thing stopping him from being a true good guy is the world around him.
A good man forced to be evil by the insane and overall crazy circumstances of the Society that has now sprung up.
Theirs some social commentary there but I won't go into it.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
In other news, what are we willing to outright trade Xanatos beyond mere money? Money buys you a few things but the man has a lot of money. The good stuff stays under the counter until you start offering things mere money can't easily buy. Tech, favors, access to our own magic.
I mean... Jumba could probably do a hell of a job at extending a human lifespan by a few centuries and we literally have a lich on staff (ha!). Immortality is always going to be the man's goal but he is willing to purchase it by installments. We've got access to Syndrome's AI booster well before it goes on the actual market, though how much he wants to boost Coyote is anyone's guess. And we can build pretty much anything, no matter how little it even makes sense, given a little time. Though everything we give puts Xanatos a little closer to winning the game.
I wonder if he is going to put anything on the table that he is pretty sure we won't be willing to pay for (and wouldn't be willing to risk otherwise) in order to measure the size of our villainous testicles. He's the guy that was offered immortality outright by Puck, or else Puck's service for the remainder of his lifetime, and he had the hubris to accept Puck's service because he was willing to bet on finding his own road to immortality and commanding Puck forever. He has his eye out for that rare son of a bitch who goes all in at the poker table.
Maybe we should be that son of a bitch.
I mean... Jumba could probably do a hell of a job at extending a human lifespan by a few centuries and we literally have a lich on staff (ha!). Immortality is always going to be the man's goal but he is willing to purchase it by installments. We've got access to Syndrome's AI booster well before it goes on the actual market, though how much he wants to boost Coyote is anyone's guess. And we can build pretty much anything, no matter how little it even makes sense, given a little time. Though everything we give puts Xanatos a little closer to winning the game.
I wonder if he is going to put anything on the table that he is pretty sure we won't be willing to pay for (and wouldn't be willing to risk otherwise) in order to measure the size of our villainous testicles. He's the guy that was offered immortality outright by Puck, or else Puck's service for the remainder of his lifetime, and he had the hubris to accept Puck's service because he was willing to bet on finding his own road to immortality and commanding Puck forever. He has his eye out for that rare son of a bitch who goes all in at the poker table.
Maybe we should be that son of a bitch.
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As soon as Jumba researches the genetic way of making supers we could probably offer Xanatos powers akin to Wolverine. In game those powers should not be too unbalanced and would give him longer to find immortality.
As a matter of fact some programs in the Grid have maintained their appearance for decades. Pac-Man was on the Wreck it Ralph movie and did not look like he was stopped by time as all.
In this new world of ghosts,AI, robot duplicates,magic,aliens,and supers there has to be a perfect blend to achieve just the right sort of immortality. Speaking of aliens does Xanatos know about Hawaii? Given that even Agent Russ had no idea and he is both one of the government's go to spies as well as extremely good at handling weirdness then this might be one of the few things they were able to keep from him. Given his whole cooperate with the feds angle Xanatos might have concerns.
I say we spill the beans about Hawaii to as many sane Kings as possible so something can be done about it. Having Khan and Xanatos on board at least should make using Flubber an easier pill for the masses to swallow.
As a matter of fact some programs in the Grid have maintained their appearance for decades. Pac-Man was on the Wreck it Ralph movie and did not look like he was stopped by time as all.
In this new world of ghosts,AI, robot duplicates,magic,aliens,and supers there has to be a perfect blend to achieve just the right sort of immortality. Speaking of aliens does Xanatos know about Hawaii? Given that even Agent Russ had no idea and he is both one of the government's go to spies as well as extremely good at handling weirdness then this might be one of the few things they were able to keep from him. Given his whole cooperate with the feds angle Xanatos might have concerns.
I say we spill the beans about Hawaii to as many sane Kings as possible so something can be done about it. Having Khan and Xanatos on board at least should make using Flubber an easier pill for the masses to swallow.
- Location
- Michigan
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Considering what I know of Wolverine's insane regeneration, it would outright give him immortality as long as his brain is intact.