- Location
- California
A lot of our hero unit lack the motive, much less the inclination, to find out about this
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- USA
Well we could control what aspects of organize crimes we want with some more light regards with the info around the underworld like the Yokai.
- Location
- Somewhere.
...I'm almost convinced that if this was a serious risk, we'd see mention of it in the action.
J.I.M.S
BookWyrm
- Location
- Latveria
That we end up doing more good with the criminal underground under our guiding hand.
Of course he'll know we control crime when all criminals end up doing Doof Crime™.
Again that we end up doing more good than ill.
Habstab
HabStab
- Location
- Richmond, MO
Well-
Yeah, that.
Also, Russ probably won't care. He's probably been in a few and taken over a couple of criminal groups before while under orders from the U.S. Goverment. Like... right. At most, Russ just tells the gov that we now control all crime in Doofania... which means that all crime will be Doof level crimes. And that, if Doofania does rejoin the Union, that organized crime in the Tri-State area will be under the control of someone who isn't very malicious.
... also, we're sending Norm after them in my plan. Norm. It's quite possible that the remaining criminal elements in Doofania decide to emulate him. Heck, we might end up with the "Norm Mafia", a Mafia that acts exactly like Norm does, but on a larger scale.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X]Plan: Let's Maximize Our Results (But Morally)
- Pronouns
- I He Him His
Also something to be considered with the possible malus to Russ. In this quest the QM has been pretty good about making all dice modifiers either plus or minus in numbers divisible by 5. So if Russ has a malus the bare minimum it would be is -5. That takes his 7 point difference down to +2. If the malus is any bigger then we start getting into negative modifiers like -3 and up.
- Location
- At my computer
[x]Plan: Prepare for Tomorrow
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Hey, waaait a minute!
@Habstab , this discussion is outrunning me and I may have lost track of your explanation, but why do you have "assimilate organized crime?" It's not popular, we can easily clear the 'crush' action with even a second-string Martial hero this turn, and I for one am retracting my vote for your plan, though I'm not supporting the opposing plan because I strongly dislike how it doesn't include the Toon Railroad and effectively abandons that issue for this turn.
@Habstab , this discussion is outrunning me and I may have lost track of your explanation, but why do you have "assimilate organized crime?" It's not popular, we can easily clear the 'crush' action with even a second-string Martial hero this turn, and I for one am retracting my vote for your plan, though I'm not supporting the opposing plan because I strongly dislike how it doesn't include the Toon Railroad and effectively abandons that issue for this turn.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I mean, if the "moral" version of Maximize gained more traction, I'd certainly be willing to switch over to that. Either that or if someone confirms whether approval voting is allowed. Completing the railroad and Hawaii in the same turn sounds good to me.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
We don't always get explicit declarations of how hero units will react to our actions. Pro-toon actions often don't explicitly say "Agent Russ will appreciate this," but he does.
What's the name of this plan that crushes crime, pays personal attention to the railroad, and handles Blue Hawaii? I'm for it.
And, what, the Intrigue 36 guy and the experienced Intrigue something-teen OWCA crime fighter won't notice even after they come back?
[X]Plan: Let's Maximize Our Results
Railroad is the most important thing to me, don't care much about assimilate vs deal with.
Railroad is the most important thing to me, don't care much about assimilate vs deal with.
Habstab
HabStab
- Location
- Richmond, MO
Because I want to have a buffer when the drug pushers from Middleton and the guys from L.A. come to Doofania. So I'd prefer if we use them to gain info on then so we can better fight then. Plus, if we control Organized Crime, that means we can have most of the criminals in Doofania act... well, like Doof himself.
[]Plan: Let's Maximize Our Results (But Morally)
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Given that it's currently the winning vote, I'd have to disagree there. There's been a lot of argument and back and forth over assimilation vs crushing crime. Given my bias, I'm not the best person to summarize the highlights.
- Location
- The Netherlands
it's called [ ]Plan: Let's Maximize Our Results (But Morally)
honestly i'm kinda non fussed on the whole assimilate vs crush issue. but i prefer assimilate slightly more than crush only becouse having all of orginised crime do our type of crime would be funny
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
If you want an accurate picture of the arguments involved with Assimilate vs Crush and the current thread sentiment, you should probably review the last 5 pages.
But here are some of the pro-Assimilate highlights, since you asked.
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The argument basically comes down to we'll never stop crime and crushing it now just means that we'll have to keep doing it whenever it pops up, creating a power vacuum in our underworld will draw other criminals attention, it will probably be harder to crush it in the future as the criminals adapt to our tactics and outside forces use them as a way into Doofania, controlling crime ourselves might give us a hero unit, gives us a way to learn more about the mysterious people in the underworld ans MiH has confirmed that Doof would be running his type of crime not suddenly getting into things like drug dealing
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Except we're explicitly being told that crushing organized crime does make it harder, not easier, for other organized crime rings to move in on us. It's in the action effect descriptions. "Significant malus."
[]Plan: Let's Maximize Our Results (But Morally)
We explicitly also have better defense against them if we crush organized crime now so that new bosses can't just move in and take over an existing hierarchy. I'd rather just, y'know, be rid of those organizations.
Historically we have repeatedly chosen 'crush' over 'assimilate' even though 'crush' was always harder. Right now, a lot of people are voting for 'assimilate' because it's bundled with something else they want (the Toon Railroad), but that doesn't mean they'd favor it in isolation.
If I were in @Habstab 's shoes, I'd be considering compromising on this issue; he's losing a share of his voter base.
It might be funny, but if a bunch of our hero units get pissed off and demoralized and drop loyalty even if they don't desert, it's going to be a major nuisance.
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