DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

[Shade31415]

So far we've used Tom for
Jan/Feb - Summoning Celena
Mar/Apr - Rule the Underworld
May/June - Stablize Celena

So we should have one more use out of him before he's locked to Ruling the underworld

[ ] [Doof] Personal Attention: Build the On-Ice Inator

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Is this for the narrative of it?

-[ ] [Diplomacy] Expand into Foreign Markets: France (Cruella)

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Tbh given we have the inator giving us +15 Diplo next turn if we're expanding I think I'd rather try Japan while our chances of success are boosted

 

[mangawriter77]

Is this for the narrative of it?

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That and the fact that I really don't want this to fail.

Tbh given we have the inator giving us +15 Diplo next turn if we're expanding I think I'd rather try Japan while our chances of success are boosted

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Hm. Fair enough. I may change it, I just wanted to get France while the iron was hot, so to say.

 

[MrHobbit]

Yeah, Norm has a large Martial score and is a robot. Add in the fact we can't do anything aggressive next turn, and... well. Limited options and all that.

Sell Silphium is free. I checked. It's basically free money depending on how it goes.

Doof most likely tried to interview Janna on who summoned something without authorization (be honest, Janna is the No. 1 Suspect when it comes to that). Increasing Doof's stats is good and all, but we can do that whenever. I don't think a marginal bonus is going to help much against Liquidator, especially in the current time crunch.

Yeah, that's part of the reason why I'm going to put Wendy back on Diecast. It's to ensure success and to not detract from our Liquidator problem.

Tom can be used for one more national action this year. Search for Star is a personal action and he can do that whenever.

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It seems likely to me that Norm's trait would activate and Norm's turn towards heroism seems to contravene assisting the military industrial complex.

You can take one corporate action a turn for free, on top of the fund requirement of the action. Every additional corporate action costs one fund. Selling Silphium will only pay off March/April 2019.

Janna's problems are not the type that can be resolved by Doof talking to her. What is it that Doof would notice or think needed attention? We do not, infact, need to drop everything to assist her whenever she hits a tough spot. We have a lot of other more critical problems to handle. An extra 5% chance on every combat roll for a crisis is much more than a marginal bonus. That could very much save our necks, assuming Doof is there anyways. And even then, we have Malf's fit to manage. The fickleness of the only reason why we can dream of passing Occult actions is more important. Doof's character development is more important. Ect.

Tom needs to do 'rule the underworld' three times a year and the turn said last turn that we have one more use of him. Though that could be a typo.

So far we've used Tom for
Jan/Feb - Summoning Celena
Mar/Apr - Rule the Underworld
May/June - Stablize Celena

So we should have one more use out of him before he's locked to Ruling the underworld

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Huh. I was going off the last turn. It said we only can assign him to one more action this year, which would have been Celena. Could be a typo.

[ ] Rule the Underworld
You're the prince of an entire dimension. You have stuff to do, as much as you wish you didn't.

This action will automatically be taken at least 3 turns per year. Tom only has one free action left this year.

Outcome: Nothing

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[mangawriter77]

It seems likely to me that Norm's trait would activate and Norm's turn towards heroism seems to contravene assisting the military industrial complex.

You can take one corporate action a turn for free, on top of the fund requirement of the action. Every additional corporate action costs one fund. Selling Silphium will only pay off March/April 2019.

Janna's problems are not the type that can be resolved by Doof talking to her. What is it that Doof would notice or think needed attention? We do not, infact, need to drop everything to assist her whenever she hits a tough spot. We have a lot of other more critical problems to handle. An extra 5% chance on every combat roll for a crisis is much more than a marginal bonus. That could very much save our necks, assuming Doof is there anyways. And even then, we have Malf's fit to manage. The fickleness of the only reason why we can dream of passing Occult actions is more important. Doof's character development is more important. Ect.

Tom needs to do 'rule the underworld' three times a year and the turn said last turn that we have one more use of him. Though that could be a typo.


Huh. I was going off the last turn. It said we only can assign him to one more action this year, which would have been Celena. Could be a typo.

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Hm. Perhaps. Maybe it'll help? I'll have to see what Coming to Terms does with Norm.

Ah, right. Forgot about that. Still, money is money and that action is just lying there. What else are we going to do? Plus, we have 9 in liquid capital right now and we're about to get even more with some of my other actions. We're fine.

*sigh* I see your point. I'll think about changing it. I still think the Chat would help.

Hm. I was going off what it said at the beginning of the turn.

Contractors:

• You have 1 Use of Olivia this year
• You have 1 use of Smarty available before his removal
• Tom has 2 national actions remaining this year

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We just used another, so we should have one more national.

 

[Soberan 123]

-[ ] [Stewardship] Sponsor SPLIT/SECOND (Phineas & Ferb)

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Phineas & Ferb can't be assigned to SPLIT/SECOND since it's mostly a burecratic action.

Also I think it would be better to put Janna in fixing the Avatar is a low DC roll and it kinda ties back to how she wants to expand her magical arsenal. Could be like sucking up to her "master" but this is typical behavior for evil minions.

Also I think it would be cool to have Monogram to investage Celebration since he has a bonus in 100 DC rolls plus his national action is free and it will satisfy his desire in being a spy.

Also I think Russ should be assigned to his personal nemesis as a national action instead of seeding corporate spies since it kinda ties back to his problems and are ways to grow a character fighting against they nemesis. Plus Blot is hanging around Denville underworld so Russ probably will not even need to get out of the Tri-State Area so he may or may involved himself in the upcoming crisis.

Ah, right. Forgot about that. Still, money is money and that action is just lying there. What else are we going to do? Plus, we have 9 in liquid capital right now and we're about to get even more with some of my other actions. We're fine.

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Setting up Gene-Clinics could be a possible action.

Also I kinda want Olivia to stole something from Doom in the same turn the Private dectives are investigating the Murderous Toons since both could sync toghter and investigate a murder is right on Dickens alley intead of sending them to Fransokyo Cult.

Personally Russ is the better candidate since it's part of his job plus Bill implied a alternative version of Russ gave him a lot of grief in the past so...

 

[mangawriter77]

Phineas & Ferb can't be assigned to SPLIT/SECOND since it's mostly a burecratic action.

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Crap. Forgot about that.

Also I think it would be better to put Janna in fixing the Avatar is a low DC roll and it kinda ties back to how she wants to expand her magical arsenal. Could be like sucking up to her "master" but this is typical behavior for evil minions.

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Yeah, but unless she crits, she's not getting a focus or anything major out of it. This way, she can try to vent about her problems in sympathetic company. Also, higher chance of fixing the root cause of the issue. Accompanying that, the main point of this is for Janna to stand on her own, not be a minion. Sucking up is likely going to have no effect or the opposite effect of what we want.

Also I think it would be cool to have Monogram to investage Celebration since he has a bonus in 100 DC rolls plus his national action is free and it will satisfy his desire in being a spy.

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*shrug* Fair enough. I'll keep it in mind.

Also I think Russ should be assigned to his personal nemesis as a national action instead of seeding corporate spies since it kinda ties back to his problems and are ways to grow a character fighting against they nemesis. Plus Blot is hanging around Denville underworld so Russ probably will not even need to get out of the Tri-State Area so he may or may involved himself in the upcoming crisis.

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The reason I didn't do that is because we tried that already and Russ, due to being off his game, failed. I want him to sit back and recover before doing stuff like that. Get into the proper headspace, you know?

Setting up Gene-Clinics could be a possible action.

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Fair enough. We'll see what happens.

Also I kinda want Olivia to stole something from Doom in the same turn the Private dectives are investigating the Murderous Toons since both could sync toghter and investigate a murder is right on Dickens alley intead of sending them to Fransokyo Cult.

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Maybe for another turn. I'm not sure if theft counts as an aggressive action, which we can't do this turn.

 

[MrHobbit]

Hm. Perhaps. Maybe it'll help? I'll have to see what Coming to Terms does with Norm.

Ah, right. Forgot about that. Still, money is money and that action is just lying there. What else are we going to do? Plus, we have 9 in liquid capital right now and we're about to get even more with some of my other actions. We're fine.

*sigh* I see your point. I'll think about changing it. I still think the Chat would help.

Hm. I was going off what it said at the beginning of the turn.

We just used another, so we should have one more national.

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Yeah, but I still think if it's resolved, Norm's turn towards heroism will make it weird.

We're about to have a crisis. I don't think having funds on hand is a guarantee. Sure Coming to Terms means Doof won't turn down federal rebuilding aid like last time, but the Feds will have a lot more than Danville to rebuild. I see no reason to put a fund into something we won't see benefits for until March/April 2019. Money being money doesn't matter when we will only get that money in a year, no matter which turn we do it on. Especially because we can just do it the turn before if we really want to. Then there'd be zero risk. Just don't do a second corporate action.

And Janna doesn't want to talk about what happened. Sure it'd help if we roll well. But Janna is an adult.

It's probably a typo then. Still, I think the intent that we only get to control Tom's actions for half of the year is clear.

Also I think it would be better to put Janna in fixing the Avatar is a low DC roll and it kinda ties back to how she wants to expand her magical arsenal. Could be like sucking up to her "master" but this is typical behavior for evil minions.

Also I think it would be cool to have Monogram to investage Celebration since he has a bonus in 100 DC rolls plus his national action is free and it will satisfy his desire in being a spy.

Also I think Russ should be assigned to his personal nemesis as a national action instead of seeding corporate spies since it kinda ties back to his problems and are ways to grow a character fighting against they nemesis. Plus Blot is hanging around Denville underworld so Russ probably will not even need to get out of the Tri-State Area so he may or may involved himself in the upcoming crisis.

Setting up Gene-Clinics could be a possible action.

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I don't really care for having Janna fix the statue. She needs to grow beyond Feldrake. The statue doesn't really do that. And I don't really care about the statue much either.

I don't see why investigating Celebration would proc Monogram's trait. Doris isn't a supervillain. She's closer to a warlord if anything. More Toffee and less LOVEMUFFIN.

Russ doesn't have his toon trait back yet, so sending him against the Blot right now isn't a good idea.

That also costs funds and will also be only be repaid come March/April 2019. Not only does it cost a fund for the extra corporate action, but it also costs an additional fund. We are incentivized by the way income works to not use funds until right before payment. We get the same income payout whether we do it this turn, or the turn right before payout. And we are right on the verge of a crisis.

Fair enough. We'll see what happens.

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Spending even more funds, for the same amount of payout at the same exact time is not a better idea. And, oh right, there's a crisis coming up.

 

[mangawriter77]

We're about to have a crisis. I don't think having funds on hand is a guarantee. Sure Coming to Terms means Doof won't turn down federal rebuilding aid like last time, but the Feds will have a lot more than Danville to rebuild. I see no reason to put a fund into something we won't see benefits for until March/April 2019. Money being money doesn't matter when we will only get that money in a year, no matter which turn we do it on. Especially because we can just do it the turn before if we really want to. Then there'd be zero risk. Just don't do a second corporate action.

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Crisis does not equal money loss (Twelfth Night being a prime example). We've taken the preventative measures that we can, we're going to limit the amount of damage done, we're going to get help rebuilding, we should not act like we're going to get robbed of all we own. What's a fund or two here and there? Also, income is a good thing. So what if the payoff isn't for a while? That's why it's called risk/reward benefits.

Hoarding money at this point is not going to change anything. If we lose some, we lose some. We can react to it then and recover if it happens. Notice the keyword being if. We don't know for sure if our funds will take a hit.

 

[MrHobbit]

Crisis does not equal money loss (Twelfth Night being a prime example). We've taken the preventative measures that we can, we're going to limit the amount of damage done, we're going to get help rebuilding, we should not act like we're going to get robbed of all we own. What's a fund or two here and there? Also, income is a good thing. So what if the payoff isn't for a while? That's why it's called risk/reward benefits.

Hoarding money at this point is not going to change anything. If we lose some, we lose some. We can react to it then and recover if it happens. Notice the keyword being if. We don't know for sure if our funds will take a hit.

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Question, where was Twelfth Night? Second question, where was Kataclysm? Do you think there might be some difference in terms of who could be responsible for clean up? Or even effectively do any clean up?

It means that there's no point in boosting our income right now. We get the exact same amount of income if we do it July/August 2018, September/October 2018, November/December 2018, or January/February 2019. Therefore there is no purpose in doing it right now.

Saving money right now can mean the difference between having enough to help with cleanup and hiring the Dickens, or having to chose between one and the other. Or even not being able to do any.

 

[mangawriter77]

Question, where was Twelfth Night? Second question, where was Kataclysm? Do you think there might be some difference in terms of who could be responsible for clean up? Or even effectively do any clean up?

It means that there's no point in boosting our income right now. We get the exact same amount of income if we do it July/August 2018, September/October 2018, November/December 2018, or January/February 2019. Therefore there is no purpose in doing it right now.

Saving money right now can mean the difference between having enough to help with cleanup and hiring the Dickens, or having to chose between one and the other. Or even not being able to do any.

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Kataclysm is not a fair comparison. That bit us in the ass out of left field and left us in ruins, especially since we refused government aid. This? We know it's coming and we've done several things to mitigate any consequences or damages. If things go bad, we can deal with it, maybe dip into the red for a bit. It's been said before that going into negative funds is not the end of the world, we just shouldn't stay there and we don't have to if we're smart about it.

As such, we should not be afraid of spending due to hypotheticals or what-ifs. Part of this game is risk, we shouldn't be afraid to take some.

 

[EyeOfSauron]

Not a bad option based on what we currently know and a good roll could come up with an alternate focus for her as a magic item

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I suggest that Janna study Jo-Lan and dance magic for several reasons.
1) It makes her less reliant on artifacts like Feldrake.
2) The two magic types could synergize.
3) Likely focuses less on invocation magic, giving her protection against Burd.
4) Reduces her reliance on dark magic, which was brought up as early as Twelfth Night.
5) The Sandersons will likely be familiar with any dark magic Janna casts, but they could be caught off guard by magic they are unfamiliar with.

 

[TheGleeman]

Kataclysm is not a fair comparison. That bit us in the ass out of left field

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Not true - we´ve gotten several hints across multiple turns that something nasty was gonna happen revolving around Kat and we never really followed up on any lead because we were too busy chasing shinies

 

[mangawriter77]

Not true - we´ve gotten several hints across multiple turns that something nasty was gonna happen revolving around Kat and we never really followed up on any lead because we were too busy chasing shinies

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Still not a fair comparison. We did nothing then. We've learned. We're doing stuff now. If it goes to pot, then it goes to pot and we can deal with it then.

 

[Shade31415]

I could see it going either way?

On the one hand, we did more prep this time and IC it's nowhere near as much as a surprise as Kat.

On the other, this is Negaduck we're talking about. I don't think we're escaping unscathed especially since we're about to fight the biggest collateral damage one.

Tbh if we want a scale for Twelfth Night looking at what Xanatos instead of us was up to is probably a good indicator? We saw him leak the Gargoyles, reach out to the mob, (attempt) to secure the speae before Demona could get it, and then even after the fact he had to manage the Huntsclan. We kind of just wandered in so it's hard to say it was "our" crisis to deal with

 

[Torgamous]

Janna's problems are not the type that can be resolved by Doof talking to her.

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Oh, the big wigs were never going to take her seriously if they had to clean this up for her.

Why did that suddenly matter?

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This sounds like something that could be addressed by the big wig talking to her.

 

[Pawn Lelouch]

We've got what, 7 potential bossmans/equivalents on deck at this point before including Janna?

Mirage and Janus to round out our council stuff and get more insight there, Alan + CJ for grid synergy and knowledge, Wendy for knowledge, Khan to boost him to 75 for the increasing martial objective and it was stated IC that they really don't know each other well, and the repeatable Malf option to boost him up out of the negatives (once the temp decays).

Its not a bad idea by any means to chat with Janna but we're really going to have to start weaving in Doof improvement personals as well.

 

[MrHobbit]

Kataclysm is not a fair comparison. That bit us in the ass out of left field and left us in ruins, especially since we refused government aid. This? We know it's coming and we've done several things to mitigate any consequences or damages. If things go bad, we can deal with it, maybe dip into the red for a bit. It's been said before that going into negative funds is not the end of the world, we just shouldn't stay there and we don't have to if we're smart about it.

As such, we should not be afraid of spending due to hypotheticals or what-ifs. Part of this game is risk, we shouldn't be afraid to take some.

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I've already pointed out the flaws with this. Danville is not the only place under attack, unlike last time. It is likely that places like New York City or even DC will be attacked. It is entirely likely that the Federal government will be overwhelmed and we'll have to do clean up of our own. And Danville isn't a major target of Negaduck, so while the damage will be lower (how much in comparison to Kataclysm is unknowable right now) the needs elsewhere will be much much higher. Keeping a reserve for the Dickens and clean up is entirely reasonable.

You are misconstruing my points and misunderstand how funds and income work. I am not opposed to spending funds. I'm opposed to doing it pointlessly. We get the same amount of reward regardless of when we do it so long as it is before March/April 2019. So why do it right now? The way corporate actions work means that the only reason we won't be able to do it later is if something more important comes up. In which case it would have been a good idea to leave those funds unspent.

Let's compare selling silphium to market research. When do we get the benefit of silphium? March/April 2019. When do we get the benefit of selling silphium if we do it the turn after? March/April 2019. When do we get the benefit if we do it November/December 2018? March/April 2019. When do we get the benefit if we do it January/February 2019? March/April 2019. In comparison, when do we get the benefit of market research? The turn we complete it! Knowledge is power! It'll help us navigate the corporate jungle. Figure out who are our rivals are and help us predict their actions better. I'm not opposed to doing market research. I'm opposed to spending money that gets us nothing.

This isn't risk vs reward. This is just spending money for the sake of spending money.

This sounds like something that could be addressed by the big wig talking to her.

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Is Janna wrong? Fundamentally if you fuck up, you don't get trusted as much. Besides, we know Janna is trying to cover up her actions here. To me the best thing we can do right now is let things happen at their own pace. Doof isn't exactly the best with people anyhow.

Janna would love to get the book back, but bringing up she lost it would mean having to admit what happened to the whole company… and she's definitely not going after it alone.

At least not yet.

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[Nystical]

Janna is explicitly not ready to talk about this right now. Trying to force it would be a bad idea.

 

[mangawriter77]

I've already pointed out the flaws with this. Danville is not the only place under attack, unlike last time. It is likely that places like New York City or even DC will be attacked. It is entirely likely that the Federal government will be overwhelmed and we'll have to do clean up of our own. And Danville isn't a major target of Negaduck, so while the damage will be lower (how much in comparison to Kataclysm is unknowable right now) the needs elsewhere will be much much higher. Keeping a reserve for the Dickens and clean up is entirely reasonable.

You are misconstruing my points and misunderstand how funds and income work. I am not opposed to spending funds. I'm opposed to doing it pointlessly. We get the same amount of reward regardless of when we do it so long as it is before March/April 2019. So why do it right now? The way corporate actions work means that the only reason we won't be able to do it later is if something more important comes up. In which case it would have been a good idea to leave those funds unspent.

Let's compare selling silphium to market research. When do we get the benefit of silphium? March/April 2019. When do we get the benefit of selling silphium if we do it the turn after? March/April 2019. When do we get the benefit if we do it November/December 2018? March/April 2019. When do we get the benefit if we do it January/February 2019? March/April 2019. In comparison, when do we get the benefit of market research? The turn we complete it! Knowledge is power! It'll help us navigate the corporate jungle. Figure out who are our rivals are and help us predict their actions better. I'm not opposed to doing market research. I'm opposed to spending money that gets us nothing.

This isn't risk vs reward. This is just spending money for the sake of spending money.

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I'm not misunderstanding anything. I know the benefits don't come in until later. I'm objecting to you saying this is "pointless" and "spending money just to spend money". It isn't. It gives us a cushion in the future, builds our reputation in a market we already have a toe in, and there's really no downside. I don't see the point in not doing it, especially if it's free if we end up only doing one corporate action. Besides, my plan is a rough draft. I don't know what will happen in the future, so I'll change it to adapt.

Which brings me to my next point; we don't know what will happen. Liquidator could devastate the city. He could get one-shotted and do minor damage. He may do major damage here and everywhere else gets off lightly. Everywhere could end up in ruins. We. Don't. Know. You saying we should spend as few funds as possible because we will almost certainly (I'm not saying you said that, that's just what it sounds like when I read it) lose a bunch of funds is wrong. Knowledge is power, and we don't have a lot. I agree we should keep the purse strings tight in case of disaster (literally every action in my draft has no funds cost) but we shouldn't be afraid to shell out a fund or two on a long-term investment.

If you object to this, please DM me. We've dragged this out here enough.

 

[Penguinbowler]

[ ] Plan: Magic of (eugh) Friendship Mk. I

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Hmmm...

I have several issues with this plan. The big ones are just some action and Hero choices.

-[ ] [Martial] Develop Military Vehicles (Norm)

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Norm still has his negative trait applied to him right now. If that changes then it will be alright; but otherwise I wouldn't use him over someone like Jumba or Lizzy.

-[ ] [Diplomacy] Expand into Foreign Markets: France (Cruella)
-[ ] [Diplomacy] Sphere the Red Car (Kermit)

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If we want to go to France, have Monogram do it, with the main action going to, say, Japan. I also am against sending Kermit to LA, a city we know is going to be attacked alongside us. Waiting a turn to Sphere won't hurt anyone. We also could use a different Diplo Hero, such as Moseby, for this.

-[ ] [Stewardship] Study Diecast Robotics
-[ ] [Stewardship] Sponsor SPLIT/SECOND (Phineas & Ferb)

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While I understand the idea of Study Diecaste without a hero, why have P&F Sponsor SPLIT/SECOND? Thats likely more Business stuff then Big Idea stuff, like; and I feel it may be more fruitful to put Cruella and Smarty on Dinoleather

-[ ] [NOWCA] Seed Corporate Sleeper Agents: Cloverleaf (non-active)

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Two things
1. Same issue as Sphere, Cloverleaf is getting hit next turn, and Sphereing will make it easier anyway, so why waste time doing both on the same turn?
2. You forgot Mezmerella's action; she has a free one left still. I would like to pull her back this turn myself, both for security reasons against Liquidator and us really needing more Intrigue heroes since they often get sent on quest or flex into other actions, such as Occult.

-[ ] [Learning] Research Extra-Dimensional Tech

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--[ ] [Wasabi] Obsessively Check San Fransokyo Cape News

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Why not put Wasabi on ODI, to get the 100% success and Loyalty Boost, then risk the 4% Crit Fail, not get the Loyalty Boost, and have Wasabi repeat the action that freaked him out last time.

-[ ] [Occult] Map Ley Lines (Celena)
-[ ] [Occult] Repair the Avatar of Felldrake (Malf)

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I say we drop Leylines for a bit, and have Celena do another Occult action. The main reason to get Leylines back then was to have Celena's summoning be easier, then appease Malf; so having Celena do the thing Malf couldn't do is pretty... bad. It's bad.

-[ ] [Corporate] Release 'Lady and the Tramp' (Action Name Pending)

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Maybe don't drop an Animated movie when a Toon is gonna commit the biggest act of Supervillainy in the countries history?

--[ ] [Doof] Personal Attention: Build the On-Ice Inator
--[ ] [Doof] Chat with the Bossman: Janna
--[ ] [Russ] Spend Time with the Toons
--[ ] [Dennis] Search for Donald
--[ ] [Janna] Work for Brocamas
--[ ] [Jumba] Visit Graceland
--[ ] [Lizzy] Hang Out With Janna
--[ ] [Wendy] Issue a press release on the state of AI
--[ ] [Alan] Work with ???
--[ ] [Wasabi] Obsessively Check San Fransokyo Cape News
--[ ] [Moseby] Interact with the Toons
--[ ] [Marco] Search for Star
--[ ] [Tom] Search for Star
--[ ] [Roddy] Design a Lair
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Ok, for all of these; Dennis is fine, Jumba is fine if we don't want to use him on an action, I disagree with Janna, Lizzy, Russ, Moseby and Doof.

Brocamas is in NYC, one of the cities Negaduck is hitting; Lizzy is to valuable a fighter to send away with Janna, wherever she goes, Russ I feel Fredzilla or II is better for him; and Doof.

Why PA that? We roll a +108 before XP or a +118 after, which means we only fail on a Nat One. Are you really so worried you want to use 3 of Doofs Personals to avoid a Nat 1? As for talk with Janna, we just have to many other talks we need to do right now.

We need Russes Secret, we need to get Alan to talk to us about the Grid, we need Wendy to open up about the Yokai, we could be tinkering with out Power Armor, theres so much we could be doing with Doof's personals that we just... aren't.

 

[MrHobbit]

I'm not misunderstanding anything. I know the benefits don't come in until later. I'm objecting to you saying this is "pointless" and "spending money just to spend money". It isn't. It gives us a cushion in the future, builds our reputation in a market we already have a toe in, and there's really no downside. I don't see the point in not doing it, especially if it's free if we end up only doing one corporate action. Besides, my plan is a rough draft. I don't know what will happen in the future, so I'll change it to adapt.

Which brings me to my next point; we don't know what will happen. Liquidator could devastate the city. He could get one-shotted and do minor damage. He may do major damage here and everywhere else gets off lightly. Everywhere could end up in ruins. We. Don't. Know. You saying we should spend as few funds as possible because we will almost certainly (I'm not saying you said that, that's just what it sounds like when I read it) lose a bunch of funds is wrong. Knowledge is power, and we don't have a lot. I agree we should keep the purse strings tight in case of disaster (literally every action in my draft has no funds cost) but we shouldn't be afraid to shell out a fund or two on a long-term investment.

If you object to this, please DM me. We've dragged this out here enough.

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This is a topic relevant to the thread and you are still not paying attention to what I am saying.

I have said that I am fine doing the action as long as it doesn't cost anything. I have said that I oppose spending funds unnecessarily. In the first comment I made, I said, "I'd be fine doing it if we didn't have other corporate actions we wanted to do, but you do." My opposition was always about the notion of spending funds so far out from the payout. If pay a fund to do it the turn before payout, it's a wash. I really don't think silphium will give us a meaningful reputation in the market. The genetic clinics are much more likely to do that, and in a way that we plan to move in on it anyways. Or are you saying we should do gene clinics? I'm not clear on how you've changed your plan from the first draft you posted. I saw you agree with gene clinics.

You are correct about the fact that we don't know what will happen. I even mentioned that we don't know for sure what is going to happen in the comment you're replying too. We don't know how hard Liquidator will attack. We don't know how successful we will be. We don't know if the Feds will have the resources to spare. I've quoted the only information about how what rebuilding takes. It's not pretty, especially because we need the Dickens available.

Roddy designing a lair has a fund cost. Doing two corporate actions has a funds cost. Unless you're dropping the film, which I haven't seen you imply before now. I also have not seen you say that you plan on dropping Roddy.

[ ] Pay 7 income
[ ] Devote 2 Stewardship actions of moderate difficulty to repairing the damage
[ ] Devote 1 Stewardship action and 4 income

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[Torgamous]

Is Janna wrong?

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Yes. There's no organization on Earth that understands fucking up more than Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated, the megacorp headed by Heinz Doofenshmirtz with upper management including Goofy, Mirage, Ludivine von Drake, Malifishmirtz, and Wile E. fucking Coyote. Hell, we still respect Alan.

If she'd called security and said she called up something she couldn't put down, she'd probably have gotten a shrug and a "hey, it happens." What really sets Doof off, both with Lovemuffin and Malifishmirtz, is actively creating very big problems that you then refuse to own up to, something that Janna very nearly did here specifically because she thought that owning up to it would make it worse.

This will not be resolved without a talk. That talk may not need to be now, but it needs to happen.

Janna is explicitly not ready to talk about this right now. Trying to force it would be a bad idea.

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And that's fine, but there's a difference between it not being the right time to talk and her problems not being the type that can be fixed by talking.

 

[mangawriter77]

Norm still has his negative trait applied to him right now. If that changes then it will be alright; but otherwise I wouldn't use him over someone like Jumba or Lizzy.

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Yeah, that's mostly there because I don't know what Coming to Terms will do for Norm.

If we want to go to France, have Monogram do it, with the main action going to, say, Japan. I also am against sending Kermit to LA, a city we know is going to be attacked alongside us. Waiting a turn to Sphere won't hurt anyone. We also could use a different Diplo Hero, such as Moseby, for this.

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France, okay, but I want to do the Car because after Negaduck, Doom is going to bring out the big guns of anti-Toon sentiment. Making the resistance to him more of a threat is a good thing. Also, considering Moseby hasn't even met Toons yet, I don't think sending him to a hotspot full of them is a good idea.

While I understand the idea of Study Diecaste without a hero, why have P&F Sponsor SPLIT/SECOND? Thats likely more Business stuff then Big Idea stuff, like; and I feel it may be more fruitful to put Cruella and Smarty on Dinoleather

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I'm putting Wendy on Diecast and Wasabi on SPLIT/SECOND. For one thing, SPLIT/SECOND doesn't cost any money and for another, it's an easy grab with income and public opinion increase, both of which we might need.

Two things
1. Same issue as Sphere, Cloverleaf is getting hit next turn, and Sphereing will make it easier anyway, so why waste time doing both on the same turn?
2. You forgot Mezmerella's action; she has a free one left still. I would like to pull her back this turn myself, both for security reasons against Liquidator and us really needing more Intrigue heroes since they often get sent on quest or flex into other actions, such as Occult.

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Fair enough. I can take that into account, I'm mostly doing this to undercut Doom's attempts to use Negaduck's chaos to his advantage.

Why not put Wasabi on ODI, to get the 100% success and Loyalty Boost, then risk the 4% Crit Fail, not get the Loyalty Boost, and have Wasabi repeat the action that freaked him out last time.

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Hm. A good idea. Something to think about.

I say we drop Leylines for a bit, and have Celena do another Occult action. The main reason to get Leylines back then was to have Celena's summoning be easier, then appease Malf; so having Celena do the thing Malf couldn't do is pretty... bad. It's bad.

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Eesh. Didn't think about that. Yeah, probably for the best.

Maybe don't drop an Animated movie when a Toon is gonna commit the biggest act of Supervillainy in the countries history?

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Fair enough. Plus, given how it's less finished than Peter Pan, it'll probably cost more.

Ok, for all of these; Dennis is fine, Jumba is fine if we don't want to use him on an action, I disagree with Janna, Lizzy, Russ, Moseby and Doof.

Brocamas is in NYC, one of the cities Negaduck is hitting; Lizzy is to valuable a fighter to send away with Janna, wherever she goes, Russ I feel Fredzilla or II is better for him; and Doof.

Why PA that? We roll a +108 before XP or a +118 after, which means we only fail on a Nat One. Are you really so worried you want to use 3 of Doofs Personals to avoid a Nat 1? As for talk with Janna, we just have to many other talks we need to do right now.

We need Russes Secret, we need to get Alan to talk to us about the Grid, we need Wendy to open up about the Yokai, we could be tinkering with out Power Armor, theres so much we could be doing with Doof's personals that we just... aren't.

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Partially for Narrative, partially because I don't want to fail, mostly because I didn't realize the stats were that stacked in our favor. Russ is in no shape to tell anyone anything, Janna needs at least one sympathetic shoulder to lean on even if she doesn't want to talk (I don't want to leave her alone, she might do something stupid), and Moseby, as previously stated, needs Toon exposure, especially with Liquidator on the way.

"I'd be fine doing it if we didn't have other corporate actions we wanted to do, but you do."

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Part of my problem is that this statement makes no sense to me. Could you please elaborate?

My opposition was always about the notion of spending funds so far out from the payout. If pay a fund to do it the turn before payout, it's a wash. I really don't think silphium will give us a meaningful reputation in the market. The genetic clinics are much more likely to do that, and in a way that we plan to move in on it anyways. Or are you saying we should do gene clinics? I'm not clear on how you've changed your plan from the first draft you posted. I saw you agree with gene clinics.

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Okay, fair enough.

You are correct about the fact that we don't know what will happen. I even mentioned that we don't know for sure what is going to happen in the comment you're replying too. We don't know how hard Liquidator will attack. We don't know how successful we will be. We don't know if the Feds will have the resources to spare. I've quoted the only information about how what rebuilding takes. It's not pretty, especially because we need the Dickens available.

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I get that. I'm just saying, we have room to maneuver and damages aren't a sure thing yet. If we need to dip into the red, we can.

Roddy designing a lair has a fund cost. Doing two corporate actions has a funds cost. Unless you're dropping the film, which I haven't seen you imply before now. I also have not seen you say that you plan on dropping Roddy.

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Also fair. I haven't posted my new plan because I don't want to spam plans in the thread, especially this early. But, I did drop the movie thing and probably will drop Silphium as well. As for Roddy, he only has the one personal action and having him on a national also costs a fund. What do you want me to do?

 

[eternalpasserby]

I suggest that Janna study Jo-Lan and dance magic for several reasons.

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It would also be hilarious. Dead evil sorcerer, ancient japanese yokai and evil manuals with devil signature are good, but nothing will beat good old "cha-cha-cha" dance.

 

[MrHobbit]

Part of my problem is that this statement makes no sense to me. Could you please elaborate?

I get that. I'm just saying, we have room to maneuver and damages aren't a sure thing yet. If we need to dip into the red, we can.

Also fair. I haven't posted my new plan because I don't want to spam plans in the thread, especially this early. But, I did drop the movie thing and probably will drop Silphium as well.

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I would be fine doing silphium if we didn't have other corporate actions to do. Your plan had two corporate actions. Therefore it would cost a fund. I don't want to spend a fund on silphium this far out from payday.

I do not believe we can voluntarily go below zero funds. We can go below through penalties, but we can't choose to. So if we don't have seven funds when it's time for the final sprint to find Star, we can't get the Dickens. And they are by far the best chance we have of finding her.

What do you plan to swap the corporate action for?