weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- USA
Here is up to date version of my plan "Star Hunt Part Two" (with the AI sub-vote temporarily removed until we figure out what we want to do with that or if we even want it in the first place). I believe this plan gets us the most of what we want, especially the cool and high priority stuff (CAPSTONE AI, super wrestling, etc) with minimal sacrifices compared to other plans. The only change I'm really considering right now is whether to delay the retreat to have Monogram do something else.
[] Plan: Star Hunt Part Two
-[] National Actions:
--[] [Martial] Form a black ops group (Technor, Juniper (+10 Duet Act), Gomez)
--[] [Diplomacy] Guard against hats: Mandate Company Dress Codes (Cruella)
--[] [Diplomacy] Establish the Titans Wrestling Federation (Kermit)
--[] [Stewardship] Restore Zootopia Climate Systems (Roddy)
--[] [Stewardship] Develop Civilian AI (Alan)
--[] [Stewardship -> Monogram] Establish a Bakaemono Supply Chain
--[] [Intrigue] Seed corporate sleeper agents (Active Infiltration): Sycorax (Mezmerella)
--[] [Intrigue -> Nemesis Action] Reclaim the Odd Object (Agent Russ)
--[] [Learning] Greco-Roman Terraforming (Lizzy)
--[] [Learning] Research Large Carnivore Domestication (Jumba)
--[] [Occult] Repair the Avatar of Felldrake (Janna)
--[] [Occult] Summon Celena the Shy (Tom)
--[] [Corporate Action] Establish a Corporate Court (Funds)
-[] Personal Actions:
--[] Doof:
---[] Spend Time With Norm
---[] Chat with the Bossman (Kitsune)
---[] Chat with the Bossman (Ludivine)
---[] Throw an Action in the Trash
----[] Research Flubber Weather Modification
----[] Research Flubber Antigravity
----[] Research Flubber Power
----[] Steal nuclear launch codes
--[] Council
---[] [Coyote] (Look through subsidiary records)
---[] [Goofy] (Look into Pete)
---[] [Janus] (Finish incubating Tech E. Coyote)
---[] [Mirage] (Recruit at an SFIT Career Fair)
---[] [Ludivine] (Instruct your Coworkers: Doof)
---[] [Malifishmirtz] (Watch El Matador de Amor)
--[] Activate Inator
--[] Genghis Khan (Study history)
--[] Norm (Spend Time With Father)
--[] Dennis (Train with Maui Mallard)
--[] Marco (Train with Macbeth)
--[] Kitsune (Find Someone to Talk To)
--[] Max (Hang out with Agent Russ)
--[] Wasabi (Obsessively Check San Fransokyo Cape News)
--[] Marion Moseby (Keep up with London)
--[] Tobe (Train ''''''your ninja'''''' some more)
--[] Assign an Item
---[] Ruby Wings: Max
- On one hand, it could be good to just get it done so we get personals for some of our key units that are doing nationals right now.
- This argument means keeping things the same. Rate "Like" for this argument
- On the other hand, now that Russ is back, if we get the Nemesis action out of the way, and successfully repair Feldrake's thingy, we could probably in the next 1 or 2 turns go on both the DoI quest and the next Feldrake tour quest on the same turn and do the retreat on said turn as well, getting at most 10 extra personal actions.
- This argument means swapping Monogram to a different action (ODI, Silphium, Research the market, etc.) and probably Moseby's personal as well back to London instead of the Toons as the potential Russ synergy wouldn't be there. Rate "Funny" for this argument
- Research the market would probably be the best action to assign Monogram to do because it's something that we need to get out of the way stewardship wise, and if Monogram is going on the DoI quest during the retreat turn, we'll need to use one of our 2 main stewardship actions to do the retreat action instead of Monogram, so taking one of the market research actions off of our stewardship plate makes it easier to fit everything properly.
[] Plan: Star Hunt Part Two
-[] National Actions:
--[] [Martial] Form a black ops group (Technor, Juniper (+10 Duet Act), Gomez)
--[] [Diplomacy] Guard against hats: Mandate Company Dress Codes (Cruella)
--[] [Diplomacy] Establish the Titans Wrestling Federation (Kermit)
--[] [Stewardship] Restore Zootopia Climate Systems (Roddy)
--[] [Stewardship] Develop Civilian AI (Alan)
--[] [Stewardship -> Monogram] Establish a Bakaemono Supply Chain
--[] [Intrigue] Seed corporate sleeper agents (Active Infiltration): Sycorax (Mezmerella)
--[] [Intrigue -> Nemesis Action] Reclaim the Odd Object (Agent Russ)
--[] [Learning] Greco-Roman Terraforming (Lizzy)
--[] [Learning] Research Large Carnivore Domestication (Jumba)
--[] [Occult] Repair the Avatar of Felldrake (Janna)
--[] [Occult] Summon Celena the Shy (Tom)
--[] [Corporate Action] Establish a Corporate Court (Funds)
-[] Personal Actions:
--[] Doof:
---[] Spend Time With Norm
---[] Chat with the Bossman (Kitsune)
---[] Chat with the Bossman (Ludivine)
---[] Throw an Action in the Trash
----[] Research Flubber Weather Modification
----[] Research Flubber Antigravity
----[] Research Flubber Power
----[] Steal nuclear launch codes
--[] Council
---[] [Coyote] (Look through subsidiary records)
---[] [Goofy] (Look into Pete)
---[] [Janus] (Finish incubating Tech E. Coyote)
---[] [Mirage] (Recruit at an SFIT Career Fair)
---[] [Ludivine] (Instruct your Coworkers: Doof)
---[] [Malifishmirtz] (Watch El Matador de Amor)
--[] Activate Inator
--[] Genghis Khan (Study history)
--[] Norm (Spend Time With Father)
--[] Dennis (Train with Maui Mallard)
--[] Marco (Train with Macbeth)
--[] Kitsune (Find Someone to Talk To)
--[] Max (Hang out with Agent Russ)
--[] Wasabi (Obsessively Check San Fransokyo Cape News)
--[] Marion Moseby (Keep up with London)
--[] Tobe (Train ''''''your ninja'''''' some more)
--[] Assign an Item
---[] Ruby Wings: Max
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And yet your proposed plan does rely on Negaduck waiting another two turns.
If his plan goes live this turn then the colab action is wasted.
If his plan goes live next turn then both the colab action and the unfinished mitigation actions are wasted.
The time to deal with negaduck was three turns ago. We are too late and it is far better to focus on things we can deal with rather than playing catchup, which invariably leads to other things falling behind and necessitating more catchup.
We are trying to keep the BH6 crew alive. That takes actions.
We are dealing with Russ's nemesis, the Declaration quest and the Transmission Quest. Those take heroes.
We are trying to deal with Doom, and possibly Bobcat. That takes actions.
We are setting up to fight the hats. That takes actions.
We have the Zootopia deal and Glomgold's deal. Those take actions.
We want to get the 'Good vs Evil' brand going. That takes actions.
We want to develop AI and robotics. That takes actions.
We need more heroes. That takes actions.
We are apparently going to fight the franchise war. That takes funds.
And so on and so on.
Negaduck has other factions trying to deal with him. And whatever his plan is it isn't aimed at us specifically. Of all our problems he is the most likely to either be dealt with or to deal as much damage to our enemies as to us.
Lab_Accident
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- Your dreams
Something to remember about the Negaduck situation is that he's choosing to hold back his plan for now for maximum effect, he might well decide to trigger it early, and possibly aim it at us specifically, if he catches us Investigating and thinks that there's any risk at all of us stopping him.
If we want to, I don't know, set aside disaster relief funds for the aftermath, or even prepare a quick-response team, I'd be all for it. But running after Negaduck when he has nothing better to than wait seems like a great way to have him decide to kill time (and people) on our territory.
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To be fair, given that it's our fault he's delaying, even odds he does that anyway. He's, uh....He's pretty petty like that.
We can sell next turn, ya know.
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Yeah. Ultimately, 2 Nationals in exchange for 2 funds and Kermit isn't too bad.
Olivebirdy
mook.
Negaduck, last turn, said he'll have to reschedule everything. That he wants months and months of toon relations on a low boil. That implies he's not going to blow things up this turn. We've got time to set up the collaboration. I doubt the collaboration setup is going to set him off early, it's when we get close that Martial fallback DCs start happening. Next turn is iffier, but here's the wording on the outcome of the investigation action.
As for kicking it off early, that's not a good reason to not even try. There's no way to know that it's too late, that whatever we can get done next turn will be worthless.
The best time to plant a tree was earlier, but this is the best time we're going to get.
As for opportunity and action costs, if Negaduck attacks this turn, we're just going to have to collaborate with the Feds on something else. Oh no. We're only losing the Retreat, or whatever Monogram is going to be chosen to do. Our priorities are all taken care of. If we find out that Negaduck is going to be exclusively focused on screwing over Shere Khan, we don't have to do anything about it.
And in the best case, where we do have time to deal with it, great! Extra time is great, we'll be able to fiddle with our schedule and everything instead of needing to get it all done in a panicked rush.
These don't necessarily mean only National Actions. They might be a very dangerous quest, or choices to affect the event. Sure it would be better if Negaduck pushes it off until May/July, but this will still help us if he attacks next turn. I really, reaaaally doubt we're going to succeed a high DC Intrigue roll to figure out what Negaduck is planning, then have the Rival Reports go 'Yeah, too late to do anything about it, suckers!' We'll have a panicked response rather than being caught cold.
As for kicking it off early, that's not a good reason to not even try. There's no way to know that it's too late, that whatever we can get done next turn will be worthless.
The best time to plant a tree was earlier, but this is the best time we're going to get.
As for opportunity and action costs, if Negaduck attacks this turn, we're just going to have to collaborate with the Feds on something else. Oh no. We're only losing the Retreat, or whatever Monogram is going to be chosen to do. Our priorities are all taken care of. If we find out that Negaduck is going to be exclusively focused on screwing over Shere Khan, we don't have to do anything about it.
And in the best case, where we do have time to deal with it, great! Extra time is great, we'll be able to fiddle with our schedule and everything instead of needing to get it all done in a panicked rush.
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- The City of Tears, Hallownest
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and we're not really losing the retreat because this won't be it's most valuable turn.
Honestly, i'm not liking this weird framing. We don't....Actually have many enemies, in the broad sense? Like, there's Doom, sure, Toffee, Doris, but most of the other factions we don't really have as ENEMIES, ya know?
- Location
- Somewhere nearby.
I'm disappointed with you, of all of or enemies you forgot the most insidious and powerful of them all. The one we've struggled against the most out of all of them...
Ourself.
- Location
- Bloomington, IN
They may not be enemies, but only Olympia is really an ally. Shego and Xanatos have the potential to be allies, but, quite frankly, getting there would probably take more work than the thread seems willing to put in at this point. We have better things to do at this point than trying to help randos who, even if they aren't enemies are competitors for business and resources.
I mean, for one thing, we know Negaduck's plan specifically involves Toons, which we employ quite a lot of, and also IT'S NEGADUCK, the odds of massive collateral damage are...Not low. Particularly since we know his plan involves both Dip and stuff designed to spread chemicals over a large area.
Olivebirdy
mook.
The PR we'll get from doing something about Negaduck plus whatever extra leeway we earn from the feds far outweighs whatever PR we'll get from Good vs Evil branding.
We are going on the quests next turn, though admitted it might be wise to reserve a team if we think Negaduck is going to attack then.
We are still doing the wrestling and the AI and the Zootopia deal and the Russ action this turn. We're perfectly capable of doing a lot at once. I don't see why we shouldn't try to stay ahead of the impending bombing. It's better to prepare ahead of time, but preparing in the nick of time is much better than nothing.
- Location
- USA
The point of branding isn't just PR, it's to make money by getting customers to associate a need or want to one of our products. Just wanted to clarify that because people seem to continue to get confused about that, for example people who originally wanted to dive headfirst into a big branding thing before actually having a product to advertise.
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To be completely honest, I was sure you were about to say Mark Beaks
Toffee and DOR-15 funnilly enough Doof doesn't really view as his enemies. It's not personal, not yet. Doofs Enemies are
Though do note he froze himself before we learnt the hats are evil and not just a tool of evil
...I...I see no reason it wouldn't? Nega-Toon or not, he's still a Toon. Also, I don't see how bringing it up here is relevant to anything?
Olivebirdy
mook.
Okay, but I'm pretty sure that helping with the Negaduck situation will make people buy our stuff more. If nothing else it's great advertising. I'm thinking of getting the government off our back when we score our Widget monopoly.
Then we'll have to collaborate on something else with them. Like making a moon base with our terraforming tech.
I could see a failed investigation roll setting off Negaduck early, or having him camp out in our backyard. A successful one will explicitly give us options. I don't think it'll be a failed roll, though. Say we're sending Russ to join the Feds (Thank you @Pawn Lelouch), that's a minimum of +88 on our side, and
[ ] Investigate Negaduck DC ??? 70+35+20+50(??!?!)=175
was the Feds' roll on their own. The DC, though likely to change, is currently 160.
weredrago2
"Cowabunga, Shadow the Hedgehog..."
- Location
- Florida
Negaduck can be dipped. The hard part is keeping him in one place for an arrest, trial, and execution.
I don't think that's how that works.
I mean, to be fair, if you murdered Negaduck and claimed self-defense, no jury in the universe would convict you.
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Last call for omakes and questions before votes open! Going to be going through and answering any questions I am pinged with tonight or tomorrow, then going through and reviewing any omakes placed on the trackinator. Please place your omake in the trackinator if you want them trackinated, I am not responding to individual posts because it frays at the fragile bonds of my limited sanity!