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Lab_Accident said:
And I agree with you everything except putting Martial behind Diplomacy. We have two Martial heavy-hitters on Khan and Norm, then a wide selection of high-to-mid 20s Units, like: Marco, Lizzy, Wasabi and Juniper, Technor, Coyote, and Tobe for quests.

Meanwhile on Diplo, the only dedicated Hero we have is Goofy, and at 28 his score is not that high (and nowhere near Khan's in Martial), while everyone else on that list is either a quest-leading generalist or a specialist in something else that we've been using for Diplo in a pinch.
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That's true in theory, but you're discounting A. the lack of viable Martial actions. B. the fact that we still don't have PMC reorganized, and C, the fact that we have (almost) enough generalists to fill out the ranks for diplomacy. With Malf, Janna, Gomez, and Kitsune for Occult at least one is often going to be available, and usually kitsune, with Malf only slightly worse than kitsune on things requiring casting and no goblin fox, and Gomez extremely valuable with his "insufficiently advanced magic" Wendy and Janus are also more reasonable than they might seem, for the simple fact of "we have two learning actions and like 8 Unrivaled in their field scientists"
 
ilbgar123 said:
Hm, I want to write a 'The Real Reason Doofenschmirtz Was Nerfed' Omake where he basically makes the Infinity Gauntlet and it's Stones and Phobos, Toffee, and Bill actually wind up working together to take him down before he learns how to use it properly, with the end result seriously messing up the world and basically resetting the setting, Doof being nerfed as a consequence of being a squishy human at ground zero of a near-miss of the universe suffering critical existence failure, hence the timeline being a Gordian Knot.

Unfortunately, it's not clicking in my head beyond that outline.
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I made one along similar lines, and given exactly zero exp for it.

It wasn't overlooked, I was directly told it was worth nothing
 
ilbgar123 said:
Omake where he basically makes the Infinity Gauntlet
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"Behold, my newest inator! I call it the time-inator. It controls time. I'll just set it next to the reality-inator, space-inator, soul-inator, mind-inator, and power-inator. I'm sure nothing crazy or bad will happen because of this."

<trips and falls into the inators activating all of them>

"Curse you narrative causality!!!"
 
sunsunsunsunsun said:
That's true in theory, but you're discounting A. the lack of viable Martial actions. B. the fact that we still don't have PMC reorganized, and C, the fact that we have (almost) enough generalists to fill out the ranks for diplomacy.
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Our problem with Diplomacy is that we have the viable actions, but we don't have specialists to reliably pull the high DC ones off.

I think this difference in opinions actually comes from a difference in criteria: You're judging our respective stat engines based on action economy, so you judge Martial as worse off than Diplo even though most of the problems there can be solved internally with the units we already have, after reorganizing (Hero Ball, Council).

I'm judging based on which categories most need new hires to shore up their weaknesses, which is why I put Diplo below Martial, since it's both Doof's own worst stat (tied with Intrigue) and our lead specialist doesn't even crack the 30s.
 
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ilbgar123 said:
Hm, I want to write a 'The Real Reason Doofenschmirtz Was Nerfed' Omake where he basically makes the Infinity Gauntlet and it's Stones and Phobos, Toffee, and Bill actually wind up working together to take him down before he learns how to use it properly, with the end result seriously messing up the world and basically resetting the setting, Doof being nerfed as a consequence of being a squishy human at ground zero of a near-miss of the universe suffering critical existence failure, hence the timeline being a Gordian Knot.

Unfortunately, it's not clicking in my head beyond that outline.
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I think the bigger problem there is that if Doof was unnerfed, it'd just be Bill wiping him out. And also, Doof would never make an Infinity Gauntlet, he generally doesn't make general purpose devices like that.

It's also important to remember that the various constituent realities of DVV are not necessarily 100% faithful to the source material, especially for Doofenshmirtz in DoofQuest. In canon, there's no way Doof could helm a major corporation like this one, nor would he have such high diplomacy, or intrigue, or martial. This Doof is buffed in many ways, and nerfed just enough to be fun.
 
I like Red Feather, but I think we can do better for her than Black Ops - and besides, if we like her for her characterization putting her in Black Ops just reduces her focus. Personally I'd like to get Moseby this turn, then Vladimir Keitawa next turn. He's a great character, a professional ninjutsu teacher that could probably do a couple tutoring personal actions for our other heroes, and once he's done a couple tutoring sessions and Technor's done his bot he'll make a really strong fourth member for a Black Ops ball. Guy's a serious ninja, he can jump onto rooftops from from a standing position and shear through somebody's hair by throwing a bagel!

Plus his middle name is Edovich Petrovich Petervich Gochkavich Michkavich Ventravich Pechkavich Pechkavich Vichvich, the guy's awesome
 
Paddywagon Man said:
I like Red Feather, but I think we can do better for her than Black Ops - and besides, if we like her for her characterization putting her in Black Ops just reduces her focus. Personally I'd like to get Moseby this turn, then Vladimir Keitawa next turn. He's a great character, a professional ninjutsu teacher that could probably do a couple tutoring personal actions for our other heroes, and once he's done a couple tutoring sessions and Technor's done his bot he'll make a really strong fourth member for a Black Ops ball. Guy's a serious ninja, he can jump onto rooftops from from a standing position and shear through somebody's hair by throwing a bagel!

Plus his middle name is Edovich Petrovich Petervich Gochkavich Michkavich Ventravich Pechkavich Pechkavich Vichvich, the guy's awesome
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I think Red Feather works just fine. Vladmir Keitawa, on the other hand, would be a waste of a recruitment I think. His job would be to spam personal tutoring before being shafted into the Black Ops, and as we've seen with Ludivine, we'd probably only get 1-3 point stat increase with diminishing returns. Meaning that a tutor action will only really work once on a Hero. You could make an argument for hiring Momokase for the exact same reason, and it would be just as much of a waste despite her having more history with us. Our heroes would get just as much growth, if not more, from being put on personal actions and quests. Especially considering these are Intrigue-heavy heroes.

It just isn't cost-efficient, in both action and investment (narrative or otherwise). If you like Vlad, more power to you. But I like Hiro Hamada, and he definitely isn't high on the recruitment priority.
 
BlueWerewolf25 said:
I think Red Feather works just fine. Vladmir Keitawa, on the other hand, would be a waste of a recruitment I think. His job would be to spam personal tutoring before being shafted into the Black Ops, and as we've seen with Ludivine, we'd probably only get 1-3 point stat increase with diminishing returns. Meaning that a tutor action will only really work once on a Hero. You could make an argument for hiring Momokase for the exact same reason, and it would be just as much of a waste despite her having more history with us. Our heroes would get just as much growth, if not more, from being put on personal actions and quests. Especially considering these are Intrigue-heavy heroes.

It just isn't cost-efficient, in both action and investment (narrative or otherwise). If you like Vlad, more power to you. But I like Hiro Hamada, and he definitely isn't high on the recruitment priority.
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Hiro's also not a realistic option right now, while Vlad was on the rolodex shortlist - and Momokase, while a fine ninja, is not a professional teacher of ninjutsu.

And really he seems like one of the strongest Black Ops picks at the moment full stop, the tutoring is entirely icing on the cake. We need to get a fourth eventually regardless, so it wouldn't be a waste of a recruitment even if we did nothing more with him than throw him into the heroball.
 
Torgamous said:
We have reason to believe that she might be Feathers Galore, who is not a video game character.
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For those who don't know what this means:

Red Feather
International espionage specialist and F.O.W.L. deserter
Pragmatism: High
Quirkiness: Low
Instability: Low
Tolerance for Nonsense: Medium
Slate: Cleaned
Feathers: Galore

Feathers Galore is a FOWL agent who showed up in the 80s Ducktales, as a parody of the Bond villainess characters of the 60s/70s. She had a thing with Launchpad.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXTEWCmu1qU
 
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I'm still leaning towards Red being Gandra Dee instead of Feathers Galore.

In her appearance on ducktales she was a assassin. She got in trouble for failing to kill Launchpad and then joined him to stop Dr Nogood.

That doesn't sound like someone doing spy work that couldn't bring herself to cross the line into killing someone.

Plus the beaks don't match.

Gandra Dee did corporate espionage and embezzlement then helped save the hero when they were in danger. And she is the one that was working on virtual reality stuff in the same area the Red Feather game actually was.

Plus the beaks are a much closer match.

I could be completely wrong but Gandra Dee is who I'm betting on.
 
Made in Heaven said:
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A surprisingly strong showing from Red Feather.

Can't like Moseby. Someone 'resigned' to dealing with chaos is not someone who will be happy working for DEI. Plus he has a(n understandable) problem with 'evil'. He would probably be a great manager but I really don't want yet another loyalty problem we have to babysit.

nwish425 said:
We could heroball Miley with Goofy to jumpstart a music career for him.
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Other than Bill's mole we could use any of them. Even the muppet guy.
It is just a question of how many AP and hero slots we can spare from all the many, many other things we could do and people we could have doing them.
 
nwish425 said:
That could result in anything from complete destruction to the theft of everyone's left sock. A win either way I suppose.
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Well, I never said Jumba would succeed at sabotaging the corporation or rival to good effect, only that the fuckers would never know what hit 'em. :p

There's a range of possible outcomes whenever anyone does that action, and there's always a good reason why there's a range of possible outcomes.

Point is, I can't imagine Jumba categorically refusing to cause chaos and dismay by unleashing his Experiments on one of our rivals. He might get cranky or quibble or demand to do bio-research the next turn, but I can't imagine him outright refusing to do it. It's too close to his natural inclinations.
 
bigking321 said:
Gandra Dee did corporate espionage and embezzlement then helped save the hero when they were in danger. And she is the one that was working on virtual reality stuff in the same area the Red Feather game actually was.

Plus the beaks are a much closer match.

I could be completely wrong but Gandra Dee is who I'm betting on.
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Huh, I would think that Gandra would have more than two stars of Learning, based on what I have read about her. But the cards are not exact and it's possible she has let it fall to the side, honing her Diplomacy and Intrigue.
 
MrHobbit said:
Huh, I would think that Gandra would have more than two stars of Learning, based on what I have read about her. But the cards are not exact and it's possible she has let it fall to the side, honing her Diplomacy and Intrigue.
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Yeah. That's the one part that's shaky.

I suppose her learning could just be focused on her personal tech and that her more applicable skills are getting into a place and then spying on it like with Fenton in her first appearance in ducktales.

Maybe a trait that gives her a bonus in tech collaborations since she really seemed to enjoy those.

Meh. It's all guessing and speculation. It could be she is some minor comic book character that had one appearance ever. We won't know until we do.
 
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