I corrected myself in the post your second quote responds to. I had forgotten about Angela. But the Star before and after Toffee won is going to be very different.

She would be dead otherwise.
True, but I expect that much of that new caution she's developed is due to her having no backup. Those circumstances wouldn't exactly apply to a robot doppelganger we made.

Though this does bring up some considerations about how various personalities would respond to the realization that they were actually a robot doppelganger of the original. Frankly, I think Star would probably handle that rather well, but others might not.
 
...can we make a Star-themed fashion trend somehow? Get young people worldwide putting little images on their cheeks and wearing red horns and carrying battleaxes and dyeing their hair blonde? Give Toffee so many false sightings he doesn't know what to do.
We could set up a animation studio and create a new movie or animation series combining elements of classical western animation and modern anime that happens to have a major character matching Star Butterfly's description.

The issue is that doing it, hiring people to cosplay or Star Botterfly is that it is liable to draw an unhealthy amount of Toffee's attention our way. When his investigation starts picking up fake he is going to investigate where the fakes come from.
 
True, but I expect that much of that new caution she's developed is due to her having no backup. Those circumstances wouldn't exactly apply to a robot doppelganger we made.

Though this does bring up some considerations about how various personalities would respond to the realization that they were actually a robot doppelganger of the original. Frankly, I think Star would probably handle that rather well, but others might not.
Wendy: "I've always dreamed of this day...Welp, time to get started on the Singularity."
 
We could set up a animation studio and create a new movie or animation series combining elements of classical western animation and modern anime that happens to have a major character matching Star Butterfly's description.

The issue is that doing it, hiring people to cosplay or Star Botterfly is that it is liable to draw an unhealthy amount of Toffee's attention our way. When his investigation starts picking up fake he is going to investigate where the fakes come from.
True. On the other hand, he already knows we've recruited Janna, Marco, and Tom, so we should probably expect him to start taking actions against us. Us inconveniencing him before that might not make much of a difference.
EDIT: However, it's worth considering that encouraging people to cosplay as Star is going to impede our own efforts to find her, too, since we wouldn't automatically know which are the false positives the way we would with Star Botterfly.
 
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I was thinking how utterly Doof-like this scheme was and how it sounded like something he'd genuinely do, so behold!

The Star-Concealer-Creator-Inator:
This -Inator conceals Star by creating stars on everyone else's cheeks. All action taken to find Star become much harder for one turn, regardless of the party looking. Also, everyone looks very snazzy.
 
I'd rather roboclone a hero unit like Wendy or Alan. It would be easier than copying a historical figure and have more practical/mechanical benefits.

We should get roboclones to augment our existing hero units or provide passive boosts instead of competing with them for actions.

Also an evil corporation creating a robotic copy of Mr Rogers in order to profit off his memory would be bad PR.

Nobody *really buys* our "evil dictator" shtick - although LMs fuck-up (which was NOT primarly our fault, no matter what some say) did piss off a lot of people admittedly.

So us making a "Mr. Botgers" would be seen tongue-in-cheek

"Look at us, being so evil and giving you guys a second shot at meeting the Kindest Man Alive...aren´t we a stinker?", essentially.
 
Nobody *really buys* our "evil dictator" shtick - although LMs fuck-up (which was NOT primarly our fault, no matter what some say) did piss off a lot of people admittedly.
It would be bad PR even without the evil dictator shtick. It isn't Mr Rogers. It is a robotic imitation made to exploit his brand in order to sell bratwurst or whatever is on Doof's corporate agenda.
 
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It would be bad PR even without the evil dictator shtick. It isn't Mr Rogers. It is a robotic imitation made to exploit his brand in order to sell bratwurst or whatever is on Doof's corporate agenda.

...No? My plan at least was to have Mr. Botgers tour around our turf, spreading his message of acceptance and positivity (*without* any hidden doublespeak espousing our company, mind you) to lift everyone´s spirits and maybe drop in as a semi-regular guest on Wendy Wowers´show.

At no point did I intend him to be our"walking DEI advert", but of course I can´t speak for anyone.

...Oh, and get even with Kronos/Olympia on the "having a robotic double of a famous and charismatic celebrity that already died irl", but that´s just some minor pettiness on my part.
 
...No? My plan at least was to have Mr. Botgers tour around our turf, spreading his message of acceptance and positivity (*without* any hidden doublespeak espousing our company, mind you) to lift everyone´s spirits and maybe drop in as a semi-regular guest on Wendy Wowers´show.

At no point did I intend him to be our"walking DEI advert", but of course I can´t speak for anyone.
The important thing is how it will be perceived not what you intend.
 
I imagine it would have a hideous high DC check, which we aren't really prepared to deal with.
DC 150 for the whole profile. Maybe lower now that we know Angela had more recent contact with her, maybe not, but we do know how hard this will be and it's manageable.

Even without Angela, we have footage of Star from when Lizzy invaded Doofania.
...can we make a Star-themed fashion trend somehow? Get young people worldwide putting little images on their cheeks and wearing red horns and carrying battleaxes and dyeing their hair blonde? Give Toffee so many false sightings he doesn't know what to do.
This seems like a good way to get people killed by an overzealous monster.
 
If we get rid of Dennis the duck and love muffin that frees up a bunch of hero spots, we could also get rid of norm prime and get a better martial hero that is also more well rounded
 
It would be bad PR even without the evil dictator shtick. It isn't Mr Rogers. It is a robotic imitation made to exploit his brand in order to sell bratwurst or whatever is on Doof's corporate agenda.
I am personally insulted by this insinuation, I have stated multiple times that I want a doppelganger of him to be as accurate to the man as possible. That means no corporate agenda, no ifs ands or butts about it, if some people can't see that well tough.
 
I am personally insulted by this insinuation, I have stated multiple times that I want a doppelganger of him to be as accurate to the man as possible. That means no corporate agenda, no ifs ands or butts about it, if some people can't see that well tough.

Exactly why I want to make Mr. Botgers in the first place:

To give the whole all the hope and assurance it so desperately needs right now, with everything having gone to seed hard.
 
If we get rid of Dennis the duck and love muffin that frees up a bunch of hero spots, we could also get rid of norm prime and get a better martial hero that is also more well rounded
For me our heroes should fall into either of two categories (with a lot of overlap being good):
- Heroes for National Actions
- Heroes for Quest/Personal/Story lines

With the litmus test being "Do they like working and the work we do here". With Lovemuffin mechanically dead to us the only heroes that don't enjoy working here (base negative loyalty) are Hego and Tom. Both of them have caveats to them.

Hego is in the middle of a story line so nothing can be said until that is done and also shego would be very cross with us if something truly bad happens to him.
Tom shouldn't really count as one of our heroes for the moment, he is just here for the Svtfoe story line and doesn't care about anything else.

For the mechanical side the heroes that don't pull their weight right now would be Max, Vanessa, Dennis and Norm Prime (the last two very debatable in my opinion).

Norm Prime only problem is his negative trait, if we ever got rid of that he would be a top tier hero for National actions, he is already at 38 Martial and he is the easiest hero to upgrade on our entire rooster since whenever we get a new weapon or combat related tech we can just superglue it to him for a boost, he is loyal to us (25 base loyalty) and even now he is a good filler for Quest teams that lack Martial.

Dennis has already brought new quests with him on his own (we wouldn't have gotten Feldrake without him), the QM have said he has a lot of potential, he works great with a lot of our units, he is extremely loyal (without Drusselstein he would be at 50) and he is very funny 0 reasons to not keep him.

Vanessa problem is of disposition. Doof doesn't want her to deal with anything that can be called remotely dangerous, she doesn't want to deal with the nonsensical side of our organization and she fears that she will spend her life under Doof's shadow.
For me the best thing to do with her character wise is to let her go to college in like 3 turns and give up narrative control of her then to let her grow on her own.

Max problem is also of disposition but in a different way. He wants to do nothing with the Martial/Intrigue/Occult/Quest side of our organization and he doesn't currently have the chops to work on the more normal side of things (the QM already said that no matter how many personal we do he would still hate adventures).
He still has that tooned in training going on for the moment so I'm okay on waiting until we see how that goes to give a verdict but if after that nothing important changes I say we either remove him from the hero rooster saying something like that we send him back to college if he is okay with that or that we just don't control what he is doing but he is still an intern in the company.
 
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Again the important thing is how it will be perceived not how you intend it. Imagine the public reaction if google, amazon or whatever announced they were going to start producing shows with a deep-faked Mr Rogers.

That honestly depends about how the show turns out - more specifically, if it´s *Faithful to the original and mindful of their legacy*

Also, by that reasoning we should smash Madame Tusseaud´s for besmirching the legacy of famous people, pal.

Plus, deep-faking itself is a pretty controversial procedure, while I consider dopple-bots closer to *Very convincing* Animatronics outfitted with top-notch AI.
 
DC 150 for the whole profile. Maybe lower now that we know Angela had more recent contact with her, maybe not, but we do know how hard this will be and it's manageable.

Even without Angela, we have footage of Star from when Lizzy invaded Doofania.
No, I mean using Botterfly.

That would have a hideously high Intrigue DC check which is a field we have always been weak in. Because, breaking news, Toffee is not an idiot!

Also, this is basically spending two or three actions for some one use gacha.
 
well speaking of doppleganger we could maybe make it a compromise with using it to upgrade norm so that he become more like a real boy
Oh I would have no problem with using the Doppelganger being used to give Norm and CJ more realistic bodies and AI, call them early birthday gifts or something.

Edit: Just so everyone remembers, the Doppelgangers are Inspector Gadget tech, so keep that in mind when it comes to Norm.
 
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@Made in Heaven I have a question with regard to the Create a Doppleganger action.
As we all know, The Dopplegangers are based off Inspector Gadget tech. It was brought up in the Discord that this is a really good match for Norm's random shapeshifting bizarre weaponry body as shown in canon and upgraded in thread with ACME products.

So! With that being said, is it possible to Create a Doppleganger body for Norm and install his current consciousness onto that hardware without having to pattern a mind for it?

If it is, would he lose any stats or Traits (like the ACME one) from doing so (and if so which ones)? How many actions would it take to build and transfer norm (one for both, or one each)? And finally, would the DC Change at all from making a normal Doppleganger body?
 
Elvis is a musician / entertainer who is famous for his art, not necessarily his strength of character. There are many impersonators of him that exist in reality already and their purpose is to entertain. Also, consider the massive difference in when they died. 1977 vs 2003. Elvis died decades ago while the Rogers died much more recently. Rogers on the other hand is practically known for his strength of character. As for Mr. Rogers impersonators in reality? Ignoring documentaries, the real life example is really disgusting.

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Big Ideas: The world has never seen engineers like Phineas and Ferb. Any Stewardship action related to construction, creation, or otherwise 'Big Idea-able' attempted with Phineas and Ferb that succeeds will automatically critically succeed. However, the DC is also boosted by 20, as they are not content to stay within the boundaries you laid out on paper.

This DC must still be passed in order to actually keep the project, as anything below the DC will result in a set of random circumstances mysteriously conspiring to wipe all traces of their project from existence. A bare failure will not reduce the DC on further turns.

In addition, a project can only be attempted once with this unit- if they fail, they will not try the same action twice. The same restrictions apply to their products as your inators- they can't be mass produced, they can't be replicated more than once, and you can't bypass technology developments using them.

Phineas and Ferb cannot get bare failures, but they can still get critical failures.


Naive Appeasers: Phineas and Ferb are undoubtedly brilliant, but they lack a certain degree of ruthlessness and finesse that's necessary when it comes to the business world. Any actions related to corporate dealings to which they are assigned have their DC increased by 30.

There has been some debate in the discord over whether we think some stewardship actions are Big-Ideable or not so I have made a list of what I think are Big-Ideable so we can get a discussion going on the thread. Does anyone else here think comedize supply lines is big-ideable?

Red = maybe could cause their Naive malus to proc.
Any collabs will cause their malus to proc!

Probably Big-Ideable

[ ] Improve Recycling Programs
[ ] Start a Greevil Energy Conservation campaign
[ ] Build a new OS
[ ] Construct Doppleganger Body
[ ] Revamp Bueno Nacho
[ ] Large Herbivore Exhibits

Was Big-Ideable but failed
[ ] Develop a New Social Media Platform

Probably Not Big-Ideable
[ ] Restore DoofOS Security
[ ] Litigate against Mark Beaks
[ ] Study Diecast Robotics
[ ] Establish a Bakaemono Supply Chain
[ ] Solidify your Hero Structure
[ ] Sponsor SPLIT/SECOND

[ ] Comedize your Supply Line
[ ] Collaborate with Smarty Mart
[ ] Stop Paying Your Taxes
[ ] Attempt a hostile corporate takeover
[ ] Buy out a rival corporation
 
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