DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
- Location
- Southbend indiana
Eh I think we should forgive them this was our fault and also it would hurt our villain rep if we didnt
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, but impacting our reputation so negatively with just this and reducing OWCA's reformation progress is more than enough of a reason on its own to consider arresting them.
Pretty much yes.
They'll be in prison and we'll have to deal with them time to time instead of every single fucking turn.
- Location
- California,USA
They RUINED Doof's Brand...
Come on that could actually have long term damages, our infrastructure is limited to the Tri state area, we don't want to break it.
- Location
- Washington
I can't think of one. We gotta cut LOVEMUFFIN off like a tumor. Those guys have been a problem for a while now and now us keeping them around on the flimsy hope they will stop being useless has come to bite us in the ass.
That is cool, I will admit.
They cost us money, hurt our branding, and damaged our reputation amongst the populace that tolerates us. They are not worth keeping around.
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
- Location
- You'll neeever guess
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Better than tanking our relationship with the government further and setting back Monogram. Who, may I point out, we've made incredible strides in improving and are this close to getting OWCA into a proper organization again. And, if today has proven anything, they're very capable. I'm more concerned about losing them than a bunch of mad insults-to-quacks-everywhere
Not to mention they've completely tanked our funds. Maybe if they caused a bit of bad press and pissed Monogram off a little, I'd be more lenient. However, they have instead caused massive bad press, pissed Monogram off severely, caused us to lose face in the eyes of a lot of people including Uncle Sam, and nearly emptied our purses. Forgive me if I'm not in a forgiving mood
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE.
Yes, now that I think about it, that is very awesome.
At this point the main problem with keeping LM around is that they want to keep doing this stuff. Specifically, on an action they coin flip to see if they just fail or if they crit fail. It's not sustainable. This didn't even take them out of the negative loyalty unless they lost some of the maluses.
Even if I wanted to consider that, seeing Monogram lose progress on OWCA is just hell no.
Even if I wanted to consider that, seeing Monogram lose progress on OWCA is just hell no.
- Location
- Great Khanate of Scotland
- Pronouns
- She/Her
"Mr. Monogram, I never thought I'd say this, but I want you to put a stop to this!"
- Location
- California,USA
I was thinking Lex Luthor on a Bad day.
Doof: They are actively Ruining the Evil Inc brand we have cultivated over several years and are slowly going to endanger everyone.
And possibly doom us all!!
MAJOR MONOGRAM: RISE!! RISE MY ANIMAL OPERATIVES RISE!!
- Location
- Washington
Doof when he fires LOVEMUFFIN:
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
Okay, so the roll did exactly what we all hoped it would and clarified Exactly what Mad Science is! We now now that mad Science ifs utter goddamn self-destructive lunacy paired with massive property damage.
According to MiH, "Do Mad Science" was a high DC option.
I think they might be manageable if every so often, we do a write in for Love Muffin with a crazy scheme. But we won't know the DC of that scheme as a write-in unless we ask, and it's generally probably gonna be pretty high.
So I think this choice depends on what we think the consequences to ditching Lovemuffin are:
First off, I want to state that I do not think that firing them will stop them from wrecking our city. Keeping them as employees might.
So lets do a chart:
Lock 'Em Up
One Fewer Action Per Turn
A bunch of Murderous Goons to be likely to attack us with mad science on the regular
No Lovemuffin!
People see that We're willing to lock up employees for doing what we told them to do.
People see us Stopping lovemuffin from destroying the city
Monogram is still loyal
No progress lost on Owca
Set 'Em Free
Keep our extra Action
LoveMuffin unlikely to try and murder us.
We can control Lovemuffin's Loyalty and get can it positive!
People see us owning up to our mistakes and not taking our misjudgements out on Employees
we have do order Lovemuffin to do shit like Steal the world's supply of Maple Syrup, or Imitate Carmen Sandiego and Steal the Beans from Lima every so often in order to keep them from murdering us. They will likely crit fail every time.
We have to deal with Lovemuffin as employees.
Monogram Loyalty Malus.
Losing progress on OWCA.
Looking between the two? I'm more willing to say lets keep them. But I'm not firm in either position. I don't like the idea of them constantly attacking us? But in the end, I don't think it could possibly be worse than the costs of constantly appeasing them. But I want to keep that Extra Action! So.... I'd be voting to keep them.
Yikes. Neither of these options are good... but at least we have the choice. Though I am annoyed that we don't have the option to split the difference and keep LOVEMUFFIN out of jail, but give them a reduced punishment for targeting our own citizens instead of, say, Doom's.
LOVEMUFFIN really screwed up here. It was also our fault, though, because yeah, we were the ones who gave them a really vague order that they interpreted in a way we didn't intend but should have foreseen (In fact, the possibility of them doing exactly this was mentioned when it was first proposed).
The relations hit with the public and the government seems to occur independently of the other consequences, so I don't think it's going to be very relevant to what we choose. Same with the financial loss.
If we keep LOVEMUFFIN, they'll be at... -35, which then turns to -30 once the temporary loyalty modifiers wear off.
Monogram, once the temporary modifiers wear off, will be at 20 loyalty, so he COULD potentially tank the hit if we want to keep both. They'd both be in the negatives, but it might be worthwhile.
It's also possible that there will be additional actions available to us after this to try and further mitigate the damage- releasing a public apology, admitting that this was our own fault for failure to communicate properly, that sort of thing.
Furthermore, regarding LOVEMUFFIN's value as a unit:
Despite being described as comically inept bumblers, counting this turn they've failed us a total of twice (and even their failure with inducing superpowers increased their Learning slightly). Three times if you count the space program. They've pulled through for us eleven times, three of those being critical successes and another three being spectacular successes. Strictly speaking, this is their first major fuckup. The rest were successes that they just didn't enjoy doing.
Additionally, this situation is of our own making beyond just the fact that we worded our write-in badly. We avoided putting Technor on therapy for them until the last minute, when this could have been averted earlier.
...I'll admit, I just don't want to lose LOVEMUFFIN. Yeah, they're a bunch of knuckleheads, but they've been with us since the very beginning, and they genuinely thought they were doing what we wanted. I don't like the feeling of just abandoning them.
EDIT: Additionally, it feels like we're finally getting a handle on how to manage them. Here's some possible write-ins we could assign them to:
Harass Mark Beaks (We wanted to do that anyways. The DC isn't great, but it's achievable. He made fun of LOVEMUFFIN's creation, so they'll love it.)
Build a Unique Invention (Building a single item, rather than something for mass production, ought to be a lot easier).
Make Drusselstein Regret Being A Terrible Company Retreat Destination (I'm pretty sure everyone will approve of this, including Monogram).
Now, we definitely need in the future to get answers regarding the DCs of write-ins before doing them. No more "this sounds like an easy DC" write-ins turning out to be 150.
LOVEMUFFIN really screwed up here. It was also our fault, though, because yeah, we were the ones who gave them a really vague order that they interpreted in a way we didn't intend but should have foreseen (In fact, the possibility of them doing exactly this was mentioned when it was first proposed).
The relations hit with the public and the government seems to occur independently of the other consequences, so I don't think it's going to be very relevant to what we choose. Same with the financial loss.
If we keep LOVEMUFFIN, they'll be at... -35, which then turns to -30 once the temporary loyalty modifiers wear off.
Monogram, once the temporary modifiers wear off, will be at 20 loyalty, so he COULD potentially tank the hit if we want to keep both. They'd both be in the negatives, but it might be worthwhile.
It's also possible that there will be additional actions available to us after this to try and further mitigate the damage- releasing a public apology, admitting that this was our own fault for failure to communicate properly, that sort of thing.
Furthermore, regarding LOVEMUFFIN's value as a unit:
| January/February 2015 | Resurrect Genghis Khan | Spectacular Success |
| March/April 2015 | Create DoofOS | Decent Success |
| May/June 2015 | Buy Disney | Critical Success |
| July/August 2015 | Try and Induce Superpowers | Awkward Failure |
| September/October 2015 | Develop Energy Weapons | Critical Success |
| November/December 2015 | Research Greevil Power | Decent Success |
| January/February 2016 | Study the Palladium Chip | Spectacular Success |
| March/April 2016 | Upgrade Normbots with Palladium Chip | Great Success |
| May/June 2016 | Set aside money for auction | Success |
| July/August 2016 | Buy Lee Industries | Critical Success |
| September/October 2016 | Resinaferatoxin | Spectacular Success |
| November/December 2016 | Decentralize Normbots | Success |
| January/February 2017 | Space Program | Marginal Progress |
| March/April 2017 | Mad Science | Critical Failure |
Despite being described as comically inept bumblers, counting this turn they've failed us a total of twice (and even their failure with inducing superpowers increased their Learning slightly). Three times if you count the space program. They've pulled through for us eleven times, three of those being critical successes and another three being spectacular successes. Strictly speaking, this is their first major fuckup. The rest were successes that they just didn't enjoy doing.
Additionally, this situation is of our own making beyond just the fact that we worded our write-in badly. We avoided putting Technor on therapy for them until the last minute, when this could have been averted earlier.
...I'll admit, I just don't want to lose LOVEMUFFIN. Yeah, they're a bunch of knuckleheads, but they've been with us since the very beginning, and they genuinely thought they were doing what we wanted. I don't like the feeling of just abandoning them.
EDIT: Additionally, it feels like we're finally getting a handle on how to manage them. Here's some possible write-ins we could assign them to:
Harass Mark Beaks (We wanted to do that anyways. The DC isn't great, but it's achievable. He made fun of LOVEMUFFIN's creation, so they'll love it.)
Build a Unique Invention (Building a single item, rather than something for mass production, ought to be a lot easier).
Make Drusselstein Regret Being A Terrible Company Retreat Destination (I'm pretty sure everyone will approve of this, including Monogram).
Now, we definitely need in the future to get answers regarding the DCs of write-ins before doing them. No more "this sounds like an easy DC" write-ins turning out to be 150.
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I wouldn't exactly call letting the people who commited this stuff around with just a slap on the wrist owning up to our mistakes.
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- Location
- The great frozen north
So is Jumba's dragon at least going to increase the DC for enemies attacking us?
- Location
- Washington
Friend, if my work told me to clean and my idea of cleaning was to cover my place of work in dish soap and use a high-pressure water hose I'd be fired. This is no different. Yes, they did what we told them, but they severely damaged us in the process. It is one thing for them to fuck up on a project, it is another for them to cost us money and damage our REPUTATION. By keeping them around we are setting a real bad image for us because we are saying our employees can humiliate us with impunity.
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
- Location
- You'll neeever guess
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Monogram: *gapes in shock*
Karl: *gapes in shock*
Agents: *gapes in shock*
LOVEMUFFIN:
Monogram: *vindictive glare* You heard the man, agents! Put a stop to it!
*massive beatdown ensues*
Are we positive we can take LM with just OWCA? Don't get me wrong, I am all for trying to arrest them, but the word choice for that vote implies it might be harder than we think.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
- Location
- Central Park
- Pronouns
- He/Him/They/Them
That's a lot more our mistake than theirs. They did what we told them to do.
- Location
- Somewhere.
...LOVEMUFFIN is almost attempting to usurp us. They went and tried to take over our territory.
mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
- Location
- You'll neeever guess
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Well, if it gets too hard, we could try to sic a few more hero units on them. That ought to fix them. Besides, it will do Hego some good to hit a few actual villains
No, we told them to perform mad science. What they did was widespread terrorism that can easily be seen as an attempted coup.
Time to sic OWCA and the PMC on them
I mean, we told them to do Mad Science, and didn't specify who to direct it towards (also that's a terrible analogy).
At the end of the day it wasn't Love Muffin that cost us reputation and income: it was us.
It would be one thing if they went off and just did this on their own - quite another if they did so under our orders.
The way the letting them stay option is worded we're letting LM back with literally no consequences after they were involved in launching an attack on the city. What sign do you think that will show to other people?
They came up with the plan on their own, they still have a sizable enough portion of culpability