Disney Star Wars Trilogy being made non-canon?

The17thImmortal

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Apparently, there is a new rumor floating around the Internet, that that the Disney Star Wars Trilogy is going to be stripped of its canon status and relegated to an Elseworlds/Infinities-style AU.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Other sites reporting on this rumor:

www.deseret.com

New rumor suggests Disney will reset ‘Star Wars’ universe, erase ‘The Last Jedi’ and ‘Rise of Skywalker’

The entire sequel trilogy might be erased, if this rumor proves true
movieweb.com

Wild ‘Star Wars’ Rumor Claims Disney Will Erase the Sequel Trilogy and Reset Canon

An unsubstantiated ‘Star Wars’ rumor claims that Disney is ready to junk everything that happened in ‘The Force Awakens’ and its Sequels.
 
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Im not sure this will help the somewhat sinking disney star wars brand at this point, or make thjings worse for them, but since i both hate the sequel trilogy, and would like the whole diney star wars to further self destruct in hilarious ways, i hope its true too.

I judge that chance to be low, though.
 
Initial spam post out of the way time to get serious. Disney is a money making machine. Kathleen Kennedy has actually lost them money, Or gotten them less than stellar profits, with what should have been a bottomless gold mine. If they want to make serious money off of it sometime in the next few decades this may be the only option they have.

kicking her to the curb will at least mollify the angriest fans. Though they'll need to make different choices for directors too to really sell it.

More than that the first film no matter who they get to produce it or what kind of script they promise is going to be subject to heavy skepticism. I would honestly recommend they find a bunch dedicated fans and run any script past them first. Hell I'd write and or idiot proof the script for minimum wage if only to save my childhood... don't tell them that I'd prefer charging them through the nose just to make them suffer for their crimes against my sensibilities.

If they jump in again without a script for the entire sequel before they even start filming the first movie I don't know that I'd even bother turning up no matter how good the reviews end up being. They can't just wing something like this.

If they plan things properly and hire people who care about the fandom and posses actual skill, and don't try to use the movies as a platform to push certain agendas... ok scratch that, they can push agendas if they want, but they'll need to be a lot more subtle than pansexual Lando Fucking a droid. That was just... it was the writing equivalent of slapping people in the face with a fish.

if they go for a safe movie fueled by nostalgia like 7? They might as well not even try. They're going to need to start off with something that can stand on it's own merits. If they manage that I think we'll see cautious optimism for the second movie. But really if they fail to deliver with any of the proposed new trilogy then I think they'll have effectively lost any chance of winning back the fandom. They need to get this right or they may as well not even try....

Heh, do or do not, Disney. There is no try.
 
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...the sequel trilogy grossed an estimated $4.5 billion , at a cost of $837 million. There is no universe in which Disney is not ecstatic about those numbers.
Solo lost money didn't it? And you can't tell me there weren't people who boycotted the mane trilogy? I certainly didn't pay to see 8 or 9 and I doubt I was the only one.

profit verses more profit maybe but it's still lost income. Which isn't touching on all the fans who have since decided they don't want anything to do with Disney star wars. That on its own poisons future income.
 
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Solo lost money didn't it? And you can't tell me there weren't people who boycotted the mane trilogy? I certainly didn't pay to see 8 or 9 and I doubt I was the only one.

profit verses more profit maybe but it's still lost income.
Going by the actual numbers? No, not really, the number of people who "boycotted" the Sequels barely amounted to a percentage point.

Really, both Last Jedi and Force Awakens did incredibly well, and Rise did comparatively poorly mostly because it wasn't a very good film. The only serious dud was Solo, and I honestly had forgotten it came out, so that can be put down to marketing and releasing in the same period as Avengers.

This "non-canon" nonsense is just the empty wish fulfillment of nerds who can't conceive of any audience outside of themselves liking a thing.
 
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Disney would have to admit they messed up, plus it would open the floodgates for requests by fans of all their other properties to make [whatever-media-made-this-particular-fan-unhappy] non-canon. And as someone else has already mentioned, they made billions of money already.

Slim to none chance this is even remotely a possibly, although as a Legends/EU fan I wish they would.
 
I think it's utterly ridiculous. I dislike approximately half of the sequel trilogy, but pretending it never happened won't somehow restore all the goodwill TROS destroyed.

If Disney really want to distance themselves from the sequels, they'll distance themselves from the sequels; making new movies in a different time period or of smaller and unrelated scope, not covering their ears and loudly shouting that the bad things never happened

The only reason Disney would have to retcon the sequels would be to try and make the same "next generation of heroes with OT heroes popping in for fanservice" story again, and that'd be nothing less than fucking insanity.

It ain't happening, at best this is bullshit rumor mongering by click hungry sites, at worst it's Disney generating public outcry for business purposes, like when they held Spiderman hostage during negotiations with Sony.
 
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Apparently, there is a new rumor floating around the Internet, that that the Disney Star Wars Trilogy is going to be stripped of its canon status and relegated to an Elseworlds/Infinities-style AU.

Thoughts?

Not going to lie, I'd love for that to happen. But considering in the current socio-political environment and how Hollywood, Lucasfilm, and Disney all work, I really doubt it's going to happen. They'll hold on to their shitty Star Wars since "It's all fake anyway" They don't give a shit about making it good or having it make sense, as evidenced by their less than stellar "attempts" at maintaining a coherent timeline, story, and worldbuilding. They only care about being seen as "right" and since Disney canon allows for them to be "right" unlike Lucas-era canon, they won't backtrack because that'd be admitting that they were wrong, that they severely fucked up, and that their moralizing/speechifying/whatever about modern issues in a space opera movie that has absolutely nothing to do with any of it was unwise and unwelcome.

...the sequel trilogy grossed an estimated $4.5 billion , at a cost of $837 million. There is no universe in which Disney is not ecstatic about those numbers.

Net is what matters though? They lost money after having to pay for marketing (Both here and in China), the constant hires and fires, reshoots, the failed toy sales (Major, major fucking blow), paying back the theaters after forcing them to keep open for Star Wars for longer than necessary, etc...

Really, both Last Jedi and Force Awakens did incredibly well, and Rise did comparatively poorly mostly because it wasn't a very good film.

It's not like TLJ was any better a movie. TFA has many issues like resetting the universe and undoing a lot of the OG trio's accomplishments but it had potential (Also, friendly reminder that Luke was only established as a cranky, depressive hermit who gave up on life and preferred to drink alien titty milk in TLJ, not TFA, so TFA is not to blame for the Luuke we got) and was the most "Star Wars-y" of the three Disney era main movies (Which is not saying much, I know).

Rise had to retcon everything about TLJ because TLJ literally left the series with nowhere to go after "subverting expectations" (For example, remember that stupid twitter post "Your Snoke theory sucks"? Yeah, it sucks because RJ didn't bother to even answer the question of who Snoke was. RJ: *Jazz hands* "Subversion!: *Jazz hands*) by throwing out every lingering thread/"mystery box" from TFA. So Rise had to try to smoosh two movies worth into one since there wouldn't and couldn't be a fourth movie since each "act" of Star Wars was done in trilogies. Rise did poorly because of that. In addition, all the critics and fans that sucked RJ's dick about the "deep THEMES" and "new ways of thinking" (Lol, he stole/recreated as much shit from the originals as JJ) were butthurt about Rise retconning everything they sucked dick for.

Rise only sucks because RJ's ego got in the way of an actual story and his job of continuing the trilogy, instead dead-ending it in the middle of its act, so Rise had to try and do something, anything at all to save a series beyond saving. Had we gotten a middle act that actually answered questions from the first while bringing up new ones and had an actual story and action besides a slow ass space chase that amounted to fuck all beyond the "Resistance" being brought down to just about nothing (I think there were 20-30 people on that ship before the end credits?), Rise or whatever the third movie could've become would've likely been so much better.

Remember this: without TLJ and its shitty "story", moralizing, etc... there would be no Rise. Rise only occurred because TLJ was a shitshow in terms of storytelling and an utter masterclass in "What Not To Do." The world would be a much better place had TLJ never happened.
 
Is there another kind of milk?

Uh, not to my knowledge? That's not the issue I was referring to though. The issue was never seeing the alien and/or its tits (as much as I would prefer to forget it - it was so incredibly ugly), it was that we didn't need to see Luuke actually milk that alien that showed up for all of 5 seconds (and cost over 2 million to make from what I've heard and had two puppeteers in it). In addition, then entire scene was deliberately degrading to Luuke and served no purpose beyond degrading and shitting all over Luuke.

There was zero reason for that scene from a storytelling perspective, especially considering they never explain why the hell Luke "I believe there is good in my father*" Skywalker would suddenly try to kill his nephew**, who at the time has done jack all let alone anything "Dark Side", which supposedly sent him on this spiral and turned him into the waste of space we got.

*Who was Darth fuckin' Vader!
**But hell, even that's being retcon'd again and again with the ongoing comic and twitter updates from what I know.
 
I just don't get this obsession with totally erasing the Sequel Trilogy. Its completely absurd for how this company acts.

Disney's not going to do that. It's rule number one with a corporation trying to bank on nostalgia. Never admit you made a bad movie, just sweep it under the rug and move one.

And seeing the 'TLJ ruined everthing' argument rear its ugly head again...

uhgggggghhhhh... *smacks head into wall for an hour* will this terrible conflict never end.
 
They pretty handily made their money back on the Lucasfilm deal. Obviously since corporation they were hoping for maximum profit but saying they lost money is...not true at all.

Putting aside that this looks like clickbait. Might as well erase the prequels too since Rogue One is a better pre-OT thing than they are so. Let's go all the way.

unlike Lucas-era canon, they won't backtrack because that'd be admitting that they were wrong, that they severely fucked up, and that their moralizing/speechifying/whatever about modern issues in a space opera movie that has absolutely nothing to do with any of it was unwise and unwelcome
So what you're saying is that all of Star Wars should be deleted. Bold stance.
 
uhgggggghhhhh... *smacks head into wall for an hour* will this terrible conflict never end.
Dude are you kidding? Shipping wars split fandoms for decades and you think this will ever go away?

If I ever had kids I'm raising them on the original trilogy and telling them the sequels don't matter. This is going to be an argument that last generations just on momentum and how much it means to people.

hell the dune movie came out around the same time as the very first star wars film and you could probably still find fans of the book willing to challenge people to knife fights for claiming that movie was good.

This isn't going away, ever.
 
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So what you're saying is that all of Star Wars should be deleted. Bold stance.

I don't know where or how you got the idea I said that all of Star Wars should be deleted. Especially since you cut off the critical part of what I said in your quote:

since Disney canon allows for them to be "right" unlike Lucas-era canon,

Disney and Lucasfilm and their fans can't be "right" if they revert back to Lucas-era canon (And that would also mean acknowledging Anakin), so they have to maintain the stance that their current story, timeline, characters, etc... are all "canon" (which is "all fake anyway" in the words of one of their beloved Story Group members (Who utterly failed at their assigned task(s) I must note)) as it allows them to be "right." And that's all that matters these days. Who is "right." That's why they'll never relegate their shitshow to an Elseworlds/Infinities-style AU as that would admit they were wrong and fucked it up.

I am perfectly happy with the OT, think the Prequels are okay but could've been better executed in some aspects, and certainly think that Disney's main movies should be retcon'd and forgotten entirely (and if it means I'd have to give up Rogue One, the best Disney era Star Wars movie, then so be it). But never have I ever thought or said that "all of Star Wars should be deleted." Don't put words in my mouth, that's acting in bad faith.
 
I don't know where or how you got the idea I said that all of Star Wars should be deleted.
moralizing/speechifying/whatever about modern issues in a space opera movie
possibly that but who knows. I mean "so this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause" surely wasn't a reference to anything that happened in the time the prequels came out. Surely not.

Especially since you cut off the critical part of what I said in your quote:
and included the part that literally continued the same line of thought. So I didn't miss anything.

I have no idea what you even keep saying with """"right"""" as if that's some thing that's supposed to matter. Yeah I guess Disney is supposed to stop caring about being """"right"""" because a bunch of fans got mad and think they're """"""wrong""""" for deviating from George Lucas' """"""""vision""""""".
 
Not going to lie, I'd love for that to happen. But considering in the current socio-political environment and how Hollywood, Lucasfilm, and Disney all work, I really doubt it's going to happen. They'll hold on to their shitty Star Wars since "It's all fake anyway" They don't give a shit about making it good or having it make sense, as evidenced by their less than stellar "attempts" at maintaining a coherent timeline, story, and worldbuilding. They only care about being seen as "right" and since Disney canon allows for them to be "right" unlike Lucas-era canon, they won't backtrack because that'd be admitting that they were wrong, that they severely fucked up, and that their moralizing/speechifying/whatever about modern issues in a space opera movie that has absolutely nothing to do with any of it was unwise and unwelcome.
So you're pissed off that a work's creators are okay with their audience accepting and dismissing different works as canon according to their own preferences, but you also want them to publicly recant a trilogy you yourself don't like?

So the authors are the ultimate authority on what's canon and should enforce Proper Thought, except when you don't like it?

:jackiechan:

I shouldn't be surprised, this is SV.

Also the claim that star wars was never political is one heavily tinted by nostalgia, and a fundamental ignorance of the politics of the previous trilogies' times.
It's not like TLJ was any better a movie. TFA has many issues like resetting the universe and undoing a lot of the OG trio's accomplishments but it had potential (Also, friendly reminder that Luke was only established as a cranky, depressive hermit who gave up on life and preferred to drink alien titty milk in TLJ, not TFA, so TFA is not to blame for the Luuke we got) and was the most "Star Wars-y" of the three Disney era main movies (Which is not saying much, I know).

Rise had to retcon everything about TLJ because TLJ literally left the series with nowhere to go after "subverting expectations" (For example, remember that stupid twitter post "Your Snoke theory sucks"? Yeah, it sucks because RJ didn't bother to even answer the question of who Snoke was. RJ: *Jazz hands* "Subversion!: *Jazz hands*) by throwing out every lingering thread/"mystery box" from TFA. So Rise had to try to smoosh two movies worth into one since there wouldn't and couldn't be a fourth movie since each "act" of Star Wars was done in trilogies. Rise did poorly because of that. In addition, all the critics and fans that sucked RJ's dick about the "deep THEMES" and "new ways of thinking" (Lol, he stole/recreated as much shit from the originals as JJ) were butthurt about Rise retconning everything they sucked dick for.

Rise only sucks because RJ's ego got in the way of an actual story and his job of continuing the trilogy, instead dead-ending it in the middle of its act, so Rise had to try and do something, anything at all to save a series beyond saving. Had we gotten a middle act that actually answered questions from the first while bringing up new ones and had an actual story and action besides a slow ass space chase that amounted to fuck all beyond the "Resistance" being brought down to just about nothing (I think there were 20-30 people on that ship before the end credits?), Rise or whatever the third movie could've become would've likely been so much better.

Remember this: without TLJ and its shitty "story", moralizing, etc... there would be no Rise. Rise only occurred because TLJ was a shitshow in terms of storytelling and an utter masterclass in "What Not To Do." The world would be a much better place had TLJ never happened.
I don't want to engage too much, because wether TLJ or TROS are or aren't good isn't on topic, but the idea that Abrams had no where to go after TLJ is extremely unimaginative, and is an artifact of Abram's truly awful writing where the plot is driven by Maguffins, open ended mysteries, and vague prophecies instead of, you know, characters and institutions and idealogies and all the other stuff that drives history and good fiction (including the OT and prequels)!
Uh, not to my knowledge? That's not the issue I was referring to though. The issue was never seeing the alien and/or its tits (as much as I would prefer to forget it - it was so incredibly ugly), it was that we didn't need to see Luuke actually milk that alien that showed up for all of 5 seconds (and cost over 2 million to make from what I've heard and had two puppeteers in it). In addition, then entire scene was deliberately degrading to Luuke and served no purpose beyond degrading and shitting all over Luuke.

There was zero reason for that scene from a storytelling perspective, especially considering they never explain why the hell Luke "I believe there is good in my father*" Skywalker would suddenly try to kill his nephew**, who at the time has done jack all let alone anything "Dark Side", which supposedly sent him on this spiral and turned him into the waste of space we got.

*Who was Darth fuckin' Vader!
**But hell, even that's being retcon'd again and again with the ongoing comic and twitter updates from what I know.
Because he's a complex character with imperfections and flaws? He's not some fucking Messiah that can't be blasphemed against, he's a flawed and complex character that underwent a new character arch in the sequels. It's fine to have substantive objections stopping you from liking a new character arch, but mythologizing a character that was already flawed in the source material and treating any divergence from that idealized figure as heresy is absolutely ridiculous!
hell the dune movie came out around the same time as the very first star wars film and you could probably still find fans of the book willing to challenge people to knife fights for claiming that movie was good.
As one of those said fans... No we really don't give a shit anymore. I mean it's always fun to engage in some good natured ribbing over taste but at a certain point fans realize that getting well and truly upset about what another person thinks of a fictional work is insanely childish.

Ironically enough the Dune fandom had this same argument when The Butlerian Jihad came out back in the early 2000's, wether it was close enough in themes and aesthetic and structure to be worthy of the name Dune, or wether it was just a shameless cash grab that hoped to steal our nostalgia money by calling itself a prequel to a beloved franchise.

Once we got off our high horses we realised that it really doesn't fucking matter wether it was "Dune enough". If you were partial to Sci-Fi it was by and large good fiction, and it was okay to dislike it due to taste, just like it was okay to love it out of taste.
 
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why do we need yet another thread arguing about star wars because of a dumb baseless rumor being spread by a third-rate website from a third-rate youtuber
 
why do we need yet another thread arguing about star wars because of a dumb baseless rumor being spread by a third-rate website from a third-rate youtuber
Because those Of us who died a little with every movie we saw need hope. Because if Disney or the shareholders pay any attention to the fandom it's a way of letting them know what's likely to get us to part with our money and therefor in their interests. Because venting is good for mental health. Because not at least bitching and venting is the same as rolling over and accepting that this is what the entertainment industry as a whole has come to.

and frankly if this is what it's come to and what it will continue to be then really what's the point of looking for more good original content, or even good continuations and reboots or adaptations? If this is all we can expect from here on out... then really it might just be time to give up on the industries all together and just find entertainment from fan works and original online content that isn't controlled by profit margins.

I'm weird. I'm not representative of the majority. I'm opinionated and stubborn when it comes to fiction in a way that a lot of people just aren't. But if I've got to choose between a handful of hard to find works that are great and the creator put there all into and a mountain of crap made to appeal to the lowest common denominator, I know what I'm picking. And sooner or later the entertainment industry as a whole needs to get that message or this kind of crap could become the norm. Hell, it basically is already.

We're hitting rock bottom. Someone needs to turn things around and it might as well be Disney.
 
This would be an insult to everyone that's put in time and effort of the sequel trilogy, including Fisher. It's none of their faults management was a clusterfuck.
 
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