I'm really getting sick of this ROB plot device ridiculousness.

I've been doing my absolute best to ignore the fact that this story has the most ridiculously arbitrary restriction in place because of a ridiculously blatant plot device, and I was doing a very good job of it, despite the fact that every time the character brings it up it just reminds me of how it shouldn't exist in the first place.

Chapter 27 though just took it to extremes. We have the incredibly obnoxious and annoying Zalgo text (ugh that is such a pain to look through, especially if it gets in the way of other text), the utterly arbitrary restriction became even more arbitrary, and a bunch of more whining.

So far this restriction thing is the only problem I have with this story. Everything else is fantastic. Except that one problem happens to be a very big, annoying one which is making it hard to enjoy the rest.
 
Well that's just... like... your opinion, man.

Oh no, I dared to criticize a story! :rolleyes:

Look on the bright side. Theta will never go near it again, thus never bringing the dreaded Zalgo back into the story.

The problem I have is more that it feels like there was no reason for this to happen. It was interesting enough seeing him work around the restrictions, and I could ignore the ROB thing since it seemed like beyond the first encounter it wasn't going to come back up. Everything made it seem like ROB was just there to make the story happen, set the restriction in place for the main conflict, and then just go away.

Having it appear again out of nowhere and make the restriction even more severe? This entire plot point feels beyond forced and it seems to have just come out of nowhere. That's my main issue, I just can't think of a reason as to why any of it was necessary. We had the interesting conflict in place from the restriction, we had the blatant plot device out of the way at the beginning, and now here it is again.
 
Oh no, I dared to criticize a story! :rolleyes:

Hey, it's valid criticism.

The problem I have is more that it feels like there was no reason for this to happen.

Ehh, that's arguable. Theta has been complaining about it more and more, and up until this point had a not so tiny growing since of invincibility. He had his ships, he was coming to smack down Daala and the Maw Installations, there were superweapons to be involved...

Frustration continued to mount as he was spreading himself further and further out, doing lots of simultaneous operations at once and the fact that he couldn't use more than what he was able to was grating more and more.

In doing 27 he is knocked back down a bit in terms of humility and he is - by force - going to have to accept that he can't be everywhere at once like he really desires to.

You want the...what is it, Doylist? Watsonian? Whichever it is.

Now I can start justifying the necessary personality shift of the SI to even more divergent thought patterns than it already had i.e. allowing himself to not try and micromanage everything and instead start programming out droid armies and fleets with Katana-esque slaving protocols that will let him really get around the unit cap in a manner that he always could have but wasn't willing to do until he was burned into it.

And if that's still not acceptable...I'm sorry, but I can't go back and flip it around now.
 
That's my main issue, I just can't think of a reason as to why any of it was necessary.

People tend to get frustrated at limitations, as seen by people in this thread griping at a unit limit.
And as seen with the slave ships when he moved the Katana Fleet, he has an easy way of getting around it, he just has to be willing to not directly control everything and put a bit of faith into others.
Heck, he could have droids working for him take control of ships, the droids programmed by him.

But that would mean releasing control even a little.

And Torroar the writer is having fun with it, so I don't think there's really an issue.
 
You could make miniature mobile buildings equipped with weaponry, and then use those in place of units.

Just imagine a floating skyscraper disgorging miniature floating skyscrapers that then begin flying around shooting lasers at everyone.
 
The problem I have is more that it feels like there was no reason for this to happen.
Such is the essential conceit of the story. There is no reason for a person to be put in a Commander body either, but we accept such because it is part of a familiar pattern. To me an actively malicious deity is no harder to believe in than one that only acts at the start of the story. For you it is different. Hopefully it will not ruin your enjoyment of the rest of the story.
 
Hey, it's valid criticism.

Eh, I was just joking.

Ehh, that's arguable. Theta has been complaining about it more and more, and up until this point had a not so tiny growing since of invincibility. He had his ships, he was coming to smack down Daala and the Maw Installations, there were superweapons to be involved...

Frustration continued to mount as he was spreading himself further and further out, doing lots of simultaneous operations at once and the fact that he couldn't use more than what he was able to was grating more and more.

In doing 27 he is knocked back down a bit in terms of humility and he is - by force - going to have to accept that he can't be everywhere at once like he really desires to.

You want the...what is it, Doylist? Watsonian? Whichever it is.

Now I can start justifying the necessary personality shift of the SI to even more divergent thought patterns than it already had i.e. allowing himself to not try and micromanage everything and instead start programming out droid armies and fleets with Katana-esque slaving protocols that will let him really get around the unit cap in a manner that he always could have but wasn't willing to do until he was burned into it.

And if that's still not acceptable...I'm sorry, but I can't go back and flip it around now.

Again, I realize why you did it, but it just feels like the story just went backwards. We've already had him having humility knocked in him by some omnipotent being and had a restriction put in place, forcing him to accept that he can't be everywhere and that he was going to need to start using slave protocols and other such things. He was finally starting to overcome these obstacles, and what happens? Literally the exact same thing. The omnipotent being shows up, slaps humility into him, puts in a restriction, now he has to find ways around it while realizing he's going to need ways to control more units.

I hope you can understand my frustration. It was so nice to see him developing to the point of being nearly capable enough to overcome those obstacles, and now it feels every bit of that development was just tossed aside and has to happen again. Maybe it's just me, but I've never liked when stories backtrack like that. It feels like I'm reading the same thing again. If that makes sense.
 
Personally, I like the oddball restrictions. It makes each Commander SI fic different. And having ROB punish the SI for being boring and trying to brute force a solution, is actually quite justifiable as a plot development device. ROB wants entertainment, not a cookie cutter Commander.
 
Except he wasn't fully overcoming his own mental chains.

He was specifically shutting down units across the galaxy just so he could personally run each and every single one of the HK's on the Maw Installation. He was willingly removing nine of the ten HK that are with the Rebellion which is kind of dangerous if something happens over there that having more than one droid would help with. He's been hoarding his unit cap like a miser this entire time even after finding ways that would let him do stuff on a far larger scale despite said cap.

He was still trying to micromanage everything, and as in story kept bouncing his attention back to Hub when if he'd just preprogrammed some simple commands he wouldn't have to do such things.

I understand your frustration, but from my position as the author slash characters original mind/personality...I would need a second push like this to change completely.

So...yeah.
 
I just found the only way for @torroar to act like a normal Commander. Since Commanders don't count as units... Commander spam!
 
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forcing him to accept that he can't be everywhere and that he was going to need to start using slave protocols and other such things.

He, uh, didn't do that.

When he got droids, he only used them sparingly as he could, save for when he had to tend to organics.
Katana Fleet? He tossed the fleet at the rebels and then didn't do anything with it.

So what torroar just said.

I just found the only way for @torroar to act like a normal commander. Since Commanders don't count as units... Commander spam!

"You expect me to let some AI run around with my techbase!?"
 
Except he wasn't fully overcoming his own mental chains.

He was specifically shutting down units across the galaxy just so he could personally run each and every single one of the HK's on the Maw Installation. He was willingly removing nine of the ten HK that are with the Rebellion which is kind of dangerous if something happens over there that having more than one droid would help with. He's been hoarding his unit cap like a miser this entire time even after finding ways that would let him do stuff on a far larger scale despite said cap.

He was still trying to micromanage everything, and as in story kept bouncing his attention back to Hub when if he'd just preprogrammed some simple commands he wouldn't have to do such things.

I understand your frustration, but from my position as the author slash characters original mind/personality...I would need a second push like this to change completely.

So...yeah.

But didn't he add the slave protocol to all those other ships he gave the rebellion? I could have sworn that was brought up.
 
But didn't he add the slave protocol to all those other ships he gave the rebellion? I could have sworn that was brought up.

That was for the Rebellion, for them to use the ships more effectively since they lacked enough crew, not him.

Note how he didn't surround his big ships with smaller ships immediately after that.
 
He gave it to the Rebellion because they would need the help, certainly not him. He was doing fine...in his mind at least.

And rea- oh

Ninja'd. Like...twice.
 
But didn't he add the slave protocol to all those other ships he gave the rebellion? I could have sworn that was brought up.
He did. But he refused to use them on his own units.

His 40-something reddingtons could've been 40-something squads instead, but he didn't like not micromanaging.

Edit:.. I must be the academy student in this ninja totempole.
 
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Alright, my mistake. I thought him upgrading all those ships was him starting to use it for other things. My bad.
 
Man, those ninjas. If the whole theme of this thread wasn't "bigger is better", I'd say Torr needs to go find some ninja robots to include into his HK design. ;)
 
29 – Small Additions
29 – Small Additions
So yeah, I'm still really angry that I got busted down to thirty unit slots. But even that can't take away my enthusiasm for quantum crystalline armor. This shit is bananas. The explanation is simple but also pretty darn cool. By stacking a few layers of atoms as densely as the laws of physics could permit, and then laminating them above another thin film that was as strong, but phase shifted…you basically created one of the toughest armors in the entire galaxy. Capable of taking a hit from the prototype of the Death Star and getting dumped into a gas giant for a good long while without suffering any real problems. Hell in the story Han Solo took the thing and used it as a battering knife to blow his way through one of the Maw Fleet's star destroyers from one end to the other and it came out without a single scratch.

Was that better or worse than my weird beskar-progenitor alloy armor that basically all of my custom units possessed at this point? I think it might be a little better with the whole 'not even a scratch' thing. Even beskar and my own stuff could get scuffed.

Not this stuff. Nope.

The moment I got this into my databanks and wiped it from the Maw computer which it had been stored in I got to work. By this point the Mega Yard was more than big enough for what I intended. Another pulse of thought and the Cry of Gimli was moving herself inside.

Much more comfortable fit this time around.

Then?

I activated the improved Mega Yard to basically reconstitute and rebuild the entire thing from the ground up, building upon the ship mass that was already present just like I had when initially building her. Only this time I added brand new gravity well generators – with requisite progenitor upgrades to their internal systems – and then used the wonder of smashing technologies together until something better came out the other end to make the entire things armor out….well. Kind of a big name at this point. Quantum beskar-progenitor alloy armor is a mouthful. QBPA armor? Eh, that works…I guess. In any case with a helpful squeezing of my own original technologies I actually end up squishing the new quantum alloy's atom layers just a bit more than the Imperials had managed.

Slapping physics in the face was a Commander's past time after all.

Even so that would take a bit, watching the glorious nebula of nanites would have been fun to just stare at but I have work to do now.

So with one hand I'm starting the Death Star prototype up and checking it over – yeah, yeah the superlaser is pretty damn powerful even on the prototype – and with the other I'm marching the Reddingtons throughout the Maw Installation. Crawling through vents, slitting throats while in dormitories, punching skulls hard enough to go through them, the works. All the while Daala slept, having finished her weird little paranoid revisions to the patrol schedules a little while ago. Not that there would be anymore patrolling by the Maw Fleet but she didn't know that at the time.

Time to be looking for those scientists and the wookies.

And done. Apparently all of the superweapon data was a lot more important to Daala to be kept secure than the people who actually made them and maintained her stupid hidden space station. Considering her character as a human being and what she would go on to do without my interference I'm not actually that surprised when I think about it. But I am here, and she's not going to go on to be elected to Chief of State by one of the stupidest populaces that I've ever seen in my admittedly not that many years. Put together with the amount of physical time – minus the years of mental acceleration – to the time I was alive before becoming this…I'm not even halfway through my twenties.

Sheesh.

….back to murdering and rescuing people.

The scientists are a bit more heavily guarded, to the point that there's more than thirteen guards and they have visuals on one another so there's no way I can just stealth my way through. Luckily I won't have to by that point considering that there are fewer and fewer spots in the station that I haven't cleared yet. Right now it's the last barracks, the scientists, Daala…and the wookies.

The wookie quarters were barbaric. Zero open spaces for them, none of the ability to really stretch out like their species demanded, and there were less than zero comforts. The bedrolls present were pathetic and more horrifyingly they had birthing crèches set up for them in a medical bay. This was a population whose intent was to be a constant slave labor group. To the point that they were meant to be bred here and die here. Both Tarkin and Daala had apparently thought it would be a wonderful thing to have a technically endless supply of slaves the monsters.

On the 'bright side' of this obsidian colored coin wookies live for far longer than humans do. So…they were kept from being able to have procreation-based sex. Gender separated work crews and quarters, and if a male and female got too close to one another the troops on the station were allowed to use stun blasts to put them down.

Jesus.

I knew this place was bad but holy shit. They don't talk about this in the books and the comics.

I mean it makes a dark, utterly racist and monstrous sense, like say if you were Tarkin or something, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. These two wanted a group of slaves that would stay fit and capable for years and years and years, yet they only planned on giving them the barest of minimums to survive. These wookies have been here since the Maw Installation was built. God damn that is some fucked up shit, I should have come to this place sooner.

Well…whatever. I split into two teams of six while the thirteenth is ready to kill anyone who comes by and start cutting through the doors. The wookies are up and freaking out almost instantly…which is fine because I took the cameras watching them sleep and eat and live 24/7 out of commission as well. There's hooting and grunting and if I hadn't downloaded an entire protocol droid's galactic lexicon encyclopedia I wouldn't know that they are actually telling each other to get back from the doors. The biggest and oldest ones are pushing their younger brethren back, while those who I guess had some outside experience besides living in the station are barking that 'they' are finally here.

I don't know who 'they' are…but I'm certainly here.

In synch the doors are fully cut open and the first of my HK-Reddingtons step inside to a crowd of totally silent wookies on both sides. They don't actually have any lights on them but I turn the lights on in their quarters on regardless. I…don't know if that helped, given that the sudden reveal of six pitch black droids with a veritable armory on each of their bodies might not be the most reassuring thing to see. Luckily, I speaka da wookie…a.

That's not racist, Italians don't exist here.

Oh.

I've always wanted to say this.

"Come with me if you want to live," comes the classic line from the Governator in tandem from each one of the droids. The wookies had been forcibly learned in 'human' speak, right?

I hope so at least.

Next? The scientists and Daala.
 
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24 – Buying In
Yesterday at 11:51 PM
25a – Forging
Today at 12:19 AM
25b – Benefactor
Today at 1:16 AM
25c – Hunting
Today at 1:13 PM
25d – The Maw
Today at 2:52 PM
26 – Approaching The Installation
Today at 3:20 PM
27 – Forty Solid Snakes
Today at 4:08 PM
28 – A Basket Of Death
Today at 4:46 PM
New29 – Small Additions

That's...8 updates within 24 hours.

I go to sleep nows/letting my hands rest/not letting my hands rest and tinker at the next quest update.

Guhbye for a bit!
 
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