Deng and Xi "Upholding" Marxism: A Tankie Message Board Joke Timeline

RiverDelta · Apr 26, 2019

"Author's" Notes: I'm not taking this very seriously, and obviously I don't support the positions of Unrealistically Openly Capitalist Chinese Politicians or idiot nutjob tankies. If characters in this delve into "anti-Idpol" bigotry or stanning for totalitarian regimes, I obviously don't genuinely hold those views.

CNN
Xi Jinping Announces That He's Become An Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarian

In his most recent speech to the Chinese Politburo, Xi Jinping has announced that he has read the works of Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard, and he plans to officially make China anarcho-capitalist. In his words, "We're already like a third of the way there, so it isn't a huge deal."

Click to expand...

Click to shrink...

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
Geez, maybe this'll make all of you tankies shut up about how China's leftist or whatever.

HamsickForever said:
Don't be silly. China hasn't been socialist since Mao.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
I'm sorry, does this look like The Forum for Reformist Revisionists? This is TankNet, and here at TankNet we support Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
How is Xi Jinping calling himself an ancap Socialism with Chinese Characteristics?

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
He's not really an ancap. He's just updating Chinese market socialism for the modern day. Just like Lenin and Mao did. It's not capitalism because China has state owned industry, and he's synthesizing Rand and Rothbard into Chinese socialism to defend the revolution! He's using those two to throw off imperialists to ensure Chinese socialism's survival. AnFemDough, you get a strike. Next revisionist statement gets you banned.

HamsickForever said:
Yeah, that makes sense. I'm curious to see where this new development in Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought-Rothbardism-Xi Jinping Thought goes! All glory to the DPRK! UPHOLD THE IMMORTAL SCIENCE!

RiverDelta · Apr 26, 2019

"Author's" Notes: Note, when I portray HundredFlowers, the Maoist, as being in the right here, that's not to say I, as a person support Mao. Even the Hundred Flowers Campaign itself is a great damnation of him and everything he stands for, and honestly I've heard all kinds of horror stories about Maoists, even ignoring what Mao himself did. I...really don't want people to get that impression, tbh.

MSNBC
Xi Jinping Partners With McDonalds to Start "Shanghai McNukes"

Xi Jinping, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, has announced that he will be aiding in the creation of a subsidiary of the American McDonalds Corporation. This subsidiary, known inexplicably as Shanghai McNukes, will sell atomic weapons to the highest bidder. An official statement by Xi notes that he intends to "allow the free market to determine who does and who doesn't have nuclear weapons". The UN, France, and the Republic of China have strongly criticized this move. United States president Donald J. Trump instead expressed support. "Xi is a strong man, a strong man doing good deeds. He knows what he's doing. He's a businessman. He's doing the smart thing. He's making money. Xi and I are good friends." President Trump controversially asserted.

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Hey, @HamsickForever...In response to your last post, don't you think ending it with "All glory to the DPRK, uphold the immortal science" seems kind of dumb?

HamsickForever said:
I mean, I guess, yeah. I picked it up from, like, a Model US Government Communist Party discord I was in. They said that a lot.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Well, it's kind of cringey.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Well, back to the actual purpose of the World Left Politics thread. Xi Jinping's creation of Shanghai McNukes. @SurfingUSSR, let's get back on topic. So, what do you guys think of it?

HundredFlowers said:
Well, now I can finally tell my Marxist-Leninist friends that Xi isn't fucking communist anymore, as if the ancap thing wasn't enough of a tell.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
@HundredFlowers, you got a strike a few months ago. Don't post provocative and insulting statements, OK? Anyway, how is Xi not socialist?

HundredFlowers said:
He literally brought an ancap meme to life with McNukes.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
I thought we established in the last China conversation that Xi wasn't actually an ancap. That said, McNukes are certainly far from socialist. However, what they are is anti-imperialist. Xi is intending to give the oppressed peoples of the world nuclear capabilities to stop American imperialism in its tracks. It's more efficient and deniable to do it this way instead of stationing Chinese nukes in oppressed countries. On top of that, you have the fact that Xi is an accelerationist. He's trying to increase China's role in the global economy so he can crash it and kickstart a revolution across the world. This is a really good idea, this McNuke thing. Here on TankNet, we stand with China against American imperialism.

RiverDelta · Apr 27, 2019

CNN
Xi Jinping Renames the Chinese Communist Party

Xi Jinping and the members of the Chinese Politburo have come to the conclusion that the name "Communist Party of China" is simply inaccurate. Instead, Xi has announced that the party will be dubbed the Chinese Socialist Party. After all, communism is clearly a dead ideology and market interactions through Socialism with Chinese Characteristics are the future, Xi claimed. He pointed to a statement made by Deng Xiaoping in 1990: "We must abandon claims of a bright future, for it is glorious to be rich and pathetic to be poor."

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
Did Deng actually say that?

RedLegacy14 said:
Yeah, he said it in A Summary of the Economic Conditions of the People's Republic of China.

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
Fuck off, fash, nobody likes you. We all know what that '14' in your name stands for.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Hey. You can't start fights with people for no reason, especially when they're clearly far more well-read about Socialism with Chinese Characteristics than you. AnFemDough, this is a warning. Stop being such an ass.

RedLegacy14 said:
Thanks, @OrderofLenin. It's good to know you're in charge. For the record, the '14' is just the year I went on this site. Anyway, here's my thoughts on the renaming and the Deng quote. Obviously, the Deng quote is just capitalist and awful, but China frankly isn't really communist so much as nationalist and socialist. Could it eventually become communist? Maybe, but I don't think the leadership is going for that. I think Chinese nationalism is actually a potent weapon in the hands of the proletariat, and that a united nation is a strong one. There's no country more opposed to central bankers and rapacious capitalists than China.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
What about all of those Chinese billionaires?

RedLegacy14 said:
As opposed to the American or Russian billionaires? All countries have billionaires.

HundredFlowers said:
@RedLegacy14, do you actually want communism? You sound kind of fashy.

RedLegacy14 said:
I consider myself a democratic socialist, actually, not a communist.

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
What about that thread where you were talking about how human races evolved differently?

RedLegacy14 said:
I flirt with occasional notions of human biodiversity, and I'm sympathetic to racial and ethnic pride of all kinds. That doesn't make me a fascist. Would you call Malcolm X a fascist?

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Hey, can we get back on topic? I think it's pretty clear that China is slowly abandoning all pretense of Marxism-Leninism, and we as leftists should wake up to that fact.

HamsickForever said:
Actually, I'd disagree with that. It seems equally clear that China is trying to pretend to be capitalist to make more friends on the global scene. Building on the theory of an economic crash triggered by China that we elaborated on previously, we see China adopting language of 'democratic socialism'. They're clearly working tirelessly to shift the global Overton Window, and we should be proud of that. This is a clever ruse. Xi knows what he's doing.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Great job explaining it, Hamsick. This is why you're one of my favorite new members. You're a smart cookie. As for the Deng comment, it's clearly not socialist, but it is anti-imperialist, like I've been saying.

Stalinsad said:
Yeah, Hamsick. Own those anarkiddies with FACTS and LOGIC.

GuillotineDemocrats said:
Demsocs fuck off. Do you really think China's heads, who are experts in diplomacy, foreign policy, and deception, are really not as smart as you enlightened first-world demsoc? RedLegacy, listen to the real communists, OK?

RiverDelta · Apr 29, 2019

"Author's" Notes: This is a bit of a side thing. It's not really about China per se, and I do plan to explore Deng Xiaoping more, given that he's in the title and all. Still, this idea came into my head and I'm interested to explore it a bit. If ideas for TankNet conversations that aren't explicitly about China come to mind, I might work with them, but yeah. Also, the CPUSA is the main exception to me having fake parties for American leftist stuff. I couldn't think of a way to do the joke without using the actual CPUSA name, I guess? The majority of this TL will be China-watching, obviously.

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

HamsickForever said:
Hey, guys, I'm planning to join the Union of Democratic Socialists. Any thoughts on them?

RedLegacy14 said:
I'm a huge fan. I like their policies of trying to help out poor people with supporting soup kitchens and stuff, and they're the best big-tent leftist party out there.

GuillotineDemocrats said:
Of course you'd like a bunch of Democratic Party shills. What, did you vote for Olivia Mendez too? Real socialists support the People's Socialist Party.

RedLegacy14 said:
The People's Socialist Party is the one that says that we can't trust North Korean defectors about what they say on North Korea, right?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
Well, we can't. They're paid to say what Americans want to hear.

HamsickForever said:
Look, I don't know what party to join. The Worker's Socialist Alternative looks pretty good. Same with the Union of Democratic Socialists and the People's Socialist Party, I guess? I'm new to this stuff.

GuillotineDemocrats said:
If you want to be part of the vanguard party, join the PSP. If you want to get involved with weird Trotskyist skeevy sex scandals and selling newspapers, go with the WSA. You know, because in this hypothetical scenario you'd be a dumbass. If you want to be an idiot supporting the Democrats, join the UDS. It's that simple.

InsufferableDouche said:
The PSP is a cult. It basically exists to suck money out of people. They've sicced cops on protesters a few times. They're really not good. Also, their stance on 'identity politics' is weird.

HamsickForever said:
I just heard that the UDS has Marxists in it?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
They aren't Marxists if they don't support national liberation.

RedLegacy14 said:
You mean Stalinism and North Korea?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
I don't think Stalin and the Kim family went far enough, you demsoc running dog.

RedLegacy14 said:
What do you think they should've done?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
I think that Stalin was too nice. He should've purged more people. The return to capitalism under Khrushchev happened because Stalin was too nice. Same with the Kulaks. If I ran the Soviet Union, I'd make Stalin look like an anarchist.

RedLegacy14 said:
Fascinating. What do you think the Kims should do?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
They should nuke Silicon Valley, for one. Destroy that hell of capitalist swine. Prove to the world that the marginalized people of the world won't be bullied by America anymore.

HamsickForever said:
So, uh, should I join the UDS?

HundredFlowers said:
You can if you want to meet more leftists, but they're completely impotent. I'd go with the Progressive Communist Party. They're Maoists.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Aren't they the ones who brought rifles and Molotov cocktails to a demonstration? The ones who set UDS and PSP pamphlets on fire in front of a camera? I've heard all kinds of iffy things about them. Also, they seem to hate with a burning passion everybody who isn't in their shitty group.

HundredFlowers said:
They're militant, yes. Aren't we supposed to support militancy?

RedLegacy14 said:
If you want to support a party that actually has any influence, just go with the UDS.

HamsickForever said:
What about the Communist Party of the USA?

RedLegacy14 said:
Pfffffft, lol.

HundredFlowers said:
*Cop Party of the USA. Fixed that for you.

GuillotineDemocrats said:
You've gotta be joking.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Oh, yeah, I'll join the CPUSA. Just let me grab my straitjacket. You know, because I guess I've gone completely insane.

HamsickForever said:
So my options are Democrats, Trotskyist newspaper sex weirdos, a cult, Maoist gun nuts who hate everyone, and the CPUSA?

RedLegacy14 said:
I guess? How old are you, anyway?

HamsickForever said:
I'm 25.

RedLegacy14 said:
Yeah, sure you are.

Fivemarks · Apr 30, 2019

This thread needs the tag of "Tankies: Not Even Once". That or "Circular Firing Squad".

RiverDelta · Apr 30, 2019

"Author's" Notes: Here we see that HundredFlowers maybe isn't always right about everything.

The East is Red
Deng is a Worthless Roader Piece of Shit

Any true Maoist can tell you that Deng is an enemy of the people. While he is, of course, dead, Deng Xiaoping is a violator of true socialist values and a capitalist shill. In the words of the infantile theorist Bordiga, Deng is truly the gravedigger of the revolution. All of Xi Jinping's current depraved values stem directly from Deng Xiaoping. His obsession with capitalism and the NAP, his distribution of nuclear weapons to the nations of the world, and his abandonment of everything that made Mao's China glorious are obvious. Furthermore, Deng Xiaoping was a peddler of that most worthless of tonics - identity politics. Deng Xiaoping wrote: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice."

This is, of course, a metaphor for the different races of China, such as the Tibetans, Uighurs, and so on. It should be obvious that the only revolutionary praxis is the repression of reactionary groups - that is to say, largely non-Han feudal and nomadic people. Was it not those backwards people who needed the aid of the Party? Deng's bourgeois 'tolerance' is a symbol of his betrayal of socialism. Further, Deng wrote in his secret diaries how much he hated communism and seeked to restore feudalism, as shown in this quote: "I am against the view that the Chinese profit from socialism. In fact, only the complete restoration of the last great Chinese dynasty - the Ming Dynasty - can redeem this tortured and vile country." So, you know, idpol leftist liberals, maybe choke on that one. For all of you revisionists saying that Deng was on the right track to save China...there you are.

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

HundredFlowers said:
Hey, have you guys seen that excerpt from the latest The East is Red video? I thought it was great. Dennis Buckley is an absolute genius, and his stalwart defense of anti-revisionist Leninism is a great introduction for new communists.

RedLegacy14 said:
Wait, then why was he supporting Han nationalism?

HundredFlowers said:
He's not supporting Han nationalism. He's just arguing that certain groups are backwards and maybe need to be brought into the light a bit.

RedLegacy14 said:
You know, like the great imperial powers always do. Yeah, that makes sense. What, is China going to invade Africa, now?

HundredFlowers said:
Says the demsuck. Do you want Deng to have restored the Ming Dynasty?

RedLegacy14 said:
I mean, it would make my Renaissance Historia game look a lot more reasonable. Did you know that you can create a caliphate with Japan if you conquer the right territories? Interesting easter egg, there.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
You're aware that strategy games are fascist and imperialist, right? They reproduce colonialism.

RedLegacy14 said:
Is it imperialism if I never play as any Western powers?

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Fair enough.

HundredFlowers said:
So, @TranshumAnarchy, what are your thoughts on the new The East is Red video?

TranshumAnarchy said:
Thanks, sis. So, uh, honestly, I just don't like states, I don't like any dynasty, much less the Ming Dynasty, and I feel like China is far from anarchist. What did you expect me to say? Also, isn't opposition to 'identity politics' in leftist circles often just a dog-whistle to say you don't like supporting minorities?

HundredFlowers said:
I don't know if I'd agree with that last thing. At least Dennis Buckley has a platform. At least he knows what he's talking about. He doesn't accept the new Xi Jinping the way some of you guys do.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Look, none of this is good until we get brain uploading and robot arms, and then the robot arm revolution nullifies all hierarchy.

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
God dammit, TA. This is why you make anarchists on this site look bad. Your politics are basically just wishful thinking.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Dude, you need to play some more Neon Blood. I can set up a game on this forum. I've got dice and sourcebooks and everything. Also, maybe go on like LessWrong? You'd have to ignore the technolibertarianism, obviously.

HundredFlowers said:
We don't have robot arms and brain uploading. Maybe read actual theory.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
I think we should get robot arms and brain uploading, but frankly that should be under the command of the democratic centralist vanguard party.

RedLegacy14 said:
Anyway, @HundredFlowers, why are you supporting Buckley's blatant racism?

HundredFlowers said:
I'm not racist. He's just saying that certain cultures aren't as advanced as others due to material conditions, which is factually true. Why do you have a white nationalist dogwhistle in your name?

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
@HundredFlowers, don't pick a fight with a fellow comrade. Even if he's a demsoc. For reasons that none of us actually understand.

RedLegacy14 said:
It's not a white nationalist thing, I just joined the site in 2014.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Hey, @RedLegacy14, how come you don't hang out in the Red Gringo subreddit? There's a lot more demsocs there. I never see you there. It seems like you'd like it.

RedLegacy14 said:
I don't know, the Red Gringo podcast honestly was never that funny to me. Like geez, they sort of just make bad dunks on neoliberals and read crappy conservative books or whatever. Some parts of the podcast are funny, but I listen to those piecemeal on Youtube.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Then what are you doing on TankNet?

RedLegacy14 said:
My girlfriend's on here, so I hang out sometimes. I didn't use it much 'til this China stuff.

TranshumAnarchy said:
I just want China to go full cyberpunk so it can be overthrown already. Then I can move to China and invent cybernetics and go full Neon Blood on the Chinese Socialist Party. I'm thinking like elbow blade arms. Coated in diamond dust. For maximum killing power.

Ivan the Not-so-Terrible · Apr 30, 2019

RiverDelta said:
I just want China to go full cyberpunk so it can be overthrown already. Then I can move to China and invent cybernetics and go full Neon Blood on the Chinese Socialist Party. I'm thinking like elbow blade arms. Coated in diamond dust. For maximum killing power.

100% understandable, big mood

Judean People's Front/People's Front of Judea tags when?

RiverDelta · Apr 30, 2019

Ivan the Not-so-Terrible said:
100% understandable, big mood

Judean People's Front/People's Front of Judea tags when?

Added, great suggestion.

Bad_kobold · Apr 30, 2019

RiverDelta said:
Added, great suggestion.

Does this mean that you are willing to accept Trotskyist parties?
Trotskyist parties are best parties

RiverDelta · May 1, 2019

Bad_kobold said:
Does this mean that you are willing to accept Trotskyist parties?
Trotskyist parties are best parties

Well, we have the Worker's Socialist Alternative.

RiverDelta · May 1, 2019

Amusement Park Expert
Busch Gardens Portland Opens Its Doors

Famed amusement park company SeaWorld Entertainment has announced that it will be opening up a new amusement park on the American west coast. This park, known as Busch Gardens Portland, will be have various locations and attractions within it. Just as Busch Gardens Tampa Bay was once subtitled "The Dark Continent", and Busch Gardens Williamsburg was once titled "The Old Country", the new park will be called "The Middle Kingdom". As one might expect from the name, the park will be themed after China.

Apparently, this park has been dedicated to Chinese statesman Deng Xiaoping, whose dreams of resurrecting the Ming Dynasty have recently been made famous. Deng's son, Deng Zhifang, will symbolically cut the ribbon to open the park up to eager guests. Xi Jinping himself briefly commented favorably about the park as both a business opportunity and a chance to show the world the beauty of China. Notable coasters will be the Zheng He, the Fennu, and the floorless coaster Imperial Dragon. Rides for kids and more squeamish people will also be included, such as the Little Starling coaster and the Dugong lazy river ride. In addition, the Ming Palace section will provide guests both education on China's rich history and the ability to witness a beautiful, painstaking recreation of part of China's forbidden city.

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
This is cultural appropriation of Chinese culture. It's being used by the American bourgeoisie to commodify Chinese culture. This is imperialism. No true leftists will go to the AmeriKKKan Bu$$ch Gardens park.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Yeah, but have you seen the Imperial Dragon? That looks awesome.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
This is still a vile desecration of Chinese culture at the hands of the Americans. We need to bomb the park.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
...I feel like the problem is that Xi and Deng Zhifang are supporting it. It's...kind of cultural appropriation, I guess, but it's also just China being part of the world economy.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Oh, right, Xi supports it. I guess it isn't that bad, then. Now that I think of it, it is a way to expand socialist China's power on the world stage. It's not cultural appropriation if two Chinese people are into it, after all.

RedLegacy14 said:
Apparently the group Black Sun Army wants to boycott Busch Gardens Portland. They say it's 'anti-white propaganda'.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Bash the fash!

AnarchoFeministDoughboy said:
Bash the fash flippantly!

GuillotineDemocrats said:
I wish I lived near Portland so I could bring a rifle to the Black Sun Army demonstration.

HundredFlowers said:
I'm part of the Progressive Communist Party. We have a chapter in Portland. We'll bring guns whether they bring guns or not. Scare those Nazi fucks off.

SocialJusticeMage said:
...Why is everyone getting so worked up over a theme park in Portland? Like, it's just an amusement park, guys. I don't get why the Nazis are mad, and I don't get why you guys are mad.

HundredFlowers said:
Fuck off, liberal.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Sorry.

HundredFlowers said:
One of my comrades in Oregon has a Mini-14. I'll have to tell him to bring that to Busch Gardens Portland when the Black Sun Army has their whole thing.

SocialJusticeMage said:
...Wait, why does he have a gun?

HundredFlowers said:
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx

GuillotineDemocrats said:
Seriously, @SocialJusticeMage, what are you doing here? This is a forum for real leftists. Go back to the Red Gringos subreddit or whatever, and fuck the hell off.

HundredFlowers said:
@GuillotineDemocrats, you can't expect to get more communists by bullying progressives. Read Mao.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Wait, so would it be OK to insult me if I didn't have the potential to become a communist?

TranshumAnarchy said:
Anyway, I can't wait to go to the new park. I'm gonna ride on the fuckin' Imperial Dragon, the Zheng He, and the Fennu. Apparently the Fennu goes at speeds of like 64 miles per hour, and that sounds rad as hell. It's got like the same launch mechanism as the Hulk ride from Universal Studios Florida.

SocialJusticeMage said:
That does sound fun, yeah!

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
For the record, comic books are male power fantasies that only reinforce capitalist social structures, and going on an amusement park ride based on a comic book is basically double capitalism with a topping of sexism.

HundredFlowers said:
Hey, @RedLegacy14, what do you think of Black Sun Army? You know, since you're an 'identitarian'.

RedLegacy14 said:
I dislike the fact that they're white supremacists, and I think most of them are either stupid internet trolls or basically incels.

HundredFlowers said:
...I'm not going to dissect that one. Hey, @SocialJusticeMage, would you be into reading some Mao?

SocialJusticeMage said:
Didn't he kill a ton of people?

HundredFlowers said:
Not intentionally mostly, and when he did it was usually justified. He also did a lot of good stuff.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
They deserved it.

GuillotineDemocrats said:
He should've killed more.

SocialJusticeMage said:
...Uh, OK.

Ivan the Not-so-Terrible · May 1, 2019

RiverDelta said:
Busch Gardens Portland Opens Its Doors

More proof that ours is the darkest timeline. Oregon deserves a 2.5nd vanity amusement park. (Evergreen counts as 1.5 because it's a waterpark tacked on to an Air and Space (and a couple tanks out back) museum and that is vain as hell.)

RiverDelta · May 3, 2019

"Author's" Notes: This one goes out to all you libertarians out there. Shruggin' off the Atlas since 1957.

CNN
Xi Jinping Declares That The Free Market Will Handle Trans Issues and Abortion

Famous anarcho-capitalist thinker Xi Jinping has announced that the Chinese Socialist Party will be allowing abortion, hormone replacement therapy, and gender confirmation surgery (also known as sexual reassignment surgery, or, colloquially, as 'sex changes')in the People's Republic of China. Xi has declared that if there's a free market need for such surgeries, there's no reason to not let it be fulfilled. In addition, he saliently made the point that all human beings own their own bodies, and therefore that the already illegitimate government has no right to rob a person of their own bodily autonomy.

In addition, private business will be entirely free to comply or not comply with individual's preferred pronouns. Xi stated that if people were 'misgendered' or the like, they were free to use competing services. Such is the free market. The libertarian community has been divided on this take. Many feel this is the obvious choice, while many others feel that 'transgender' people are mentally ill and that a state should not sanction that sort of delusion. The US Libertarian Party has praised Xi's efforts, though far from all libertarians are on board with this.

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

HundredFlowers said:
While this might seem good, it's just commodifying gender dysphoria and turning it into something that can be bought and sold on the 'free' market. This isn't progressive, and it's certainly not communist.

SocialJusticeMage said:
I mean, it's good that people in China are going to be able to get healthcare, right?

HundredFlowers said:
To quote the Stonewall Communist Front, "Queer Liberation, not Rainbow Capitalism!" The problem is that this is just a scheme to put more money in the hands of the Chinese bourgeoisie.

SocialJusticeMage said:
One of the most authoritarian and traditional countries in the world has just made a great stand on bodily autonomy and abortion, and it's not good enough for you guys?

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Actually, I agree with @SocialJusticeMage. I...don't know why, since they're the most liberal Berniecrat kiddie on the site, but I agree with them. China is being incredibly progressive, and in fact this is a sign that they're still following socialist ideology. Socialism champions proletarian feminism and bodily autonomy. This is merely a justification. This is a step that not even Stalin was able to do. As much as I know in my heart that Stalin would've been an intersectional feminist.

RedLegacy14 said:
I'm opposed to it.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Same here.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Why? We're socialists, right, I thought we wanted increased access to health care and stuff.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
I'm opposed to it because it legitimizes transgenderism as a 'real' thing, when in reality it's a mental health problem and a distraction from the class struggle.

SocialJusticeMage said:
I was, uh, asking @RedLegacy14, actually...

RedLegacy14 said:
Well, for me it's complicated. I'm fine with trans people. The psychological consensus clearly states that gender dysphoria is a real thing, and there are so few trans people that it doesn't really harm society. Obviously a MTF person isn't 'really' female the way a born woman is, but I'm willing to use the proper pronouns and stuff to be nice, and they're clearly not the same as a normal man either. The problem I see, here, is abortion. Abortion gives women the ability to recklessly have as much sex as they want, which is awful for society. Society, specifically different ethnic groups, live and die based on separation and self-propagation. Also, 'free markets' are a joke, honestly, and capitalism is something to be mitigated and eventually replaced, not embraced. Also, as far as the '78 genders' crowd or 'nonbinaries' or whatever, they're all drama whores and their 'genders' are nonsense.

SocialJusticeMage said:
...Wait, I thought you were a white nationalist. Why are you...kind of pro-trans? Like, you're still super transphobic, but less than I expected?

RedLegacy14 said:
I'm not a white nationalist, I'm a race realist identitarian democratic socialist.

BigSister<1984> said:
...His best friend from middle school onward turned out to be a trans woman.

SocialJusticeMage said:
...Wait, how do you know that?

BigSister<1984> said:
We're dating.

HundredFlowers said:
Wait, RedLegacy has a girlfriend? How does that even work? He's a fucking Nazi.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Hey, @HundredFlowers, cool it. This forum follows a strict Left Unity rule. Anyone who opposes capitalism is welcome here, and while RedLegacy14 clearly has some reactionary views, those need to be gotten out of him by struggle sessions and reading theory. If RedLegacy14's ethnonationalism and social beliefs make him a 'Nazi', then that applies to Stalin too.

BigSister<1984> said:
I mean, as a Trotskyist, I think those traits are part of why we shouldn't be huge fans of Stalin?

HundredFlowers said:
...Oh my god, RedLegacy is dating a Trotskyist. Why haven't you guys just exploded like matter and antimatter?

BigSister<1984> said:
So, uh, do you guys want a link to where you can buy the Worker's Socialist Alternative newsletter?

TranshumAnarchy said:
Dude, who even reads anymore?

HundredFlowers said:
I do.

BigSister<1984> said:
Same.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Anyway, have you guys heard about what's going on in China? They're well on their way to a cyberpunk dystopia, and like I always say, it takes a cyberpunk dystopia to make a cyberpunk space utopia.

RedLegacy14 said:
That doesn't actually make any sense.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Read SEK3, my dude.

RedLegacy14 said:
You're stoned right now, aren't you? Also, isn't Konkin a right-libertarian?

TranshumAnarchy said:
I'm not gonna confirm or deny the pot thing, but Konkin's an agorist. I'm a left-agorist transhuman anarchist with mutualist leanings. He writes good shit. Like how selling DMT on the deep web is revolutionary.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Wait, what the hell? You sell DMT on the deep web?

TranshumAnarchy said:
Not gonna confirm or deny it, but yeah. Counter-economics.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Lovely, an ancap. TA, give us one reason why we shouldn't ban you. This is TankNet. Not AncapNet.

TranshumAnarchy said:
I'm...not actually doing anything wrong? Like, if you purge me, where does it end? Do you purge BigSister for being a trot? RedLegacy for being a racist traditionalist weirdo with delusions of grandeur? SocialJusticeMage for being a liberal?

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Look, this is a warning. Try not to ancap all over this place, and maybe read some actual theory. Preferably Marxist theory.

TranshumAnarchy said:
I'm not an ancap, though?

HundredFlowers said:
Yeah, and RedLegacy isn't a white supremacist.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Hey, @BigSister<1984>, what's your take on Xi's abortion and trans free marketeering?

BigSister<1984> said:
Three words. Degenerated Worker's State.

SocialJusticeMage said:
I'm not really sure what that means.

BigSister<1984> said:
It's a dictatorship of the proletariat ruled over by a bureaucratic network.

SocialJusticeMage said:
But it's slowly going ancap.

BigSister<1984> said:
I think you'll find if you study Trotsky that this 'libertarianism' on the part of Xi is just an extension of the degenerated worker's state theory.

RiverDelta · May 4, 2019

ABC News
Xi Jinping Endorses Bitcoin and Plays the Soviet National Anthem

Xi Jinping of the People's Republic of China has made several statements on the events which previously happened in the country. Firstly, and least controversially, he has announced that the crypto-currency Bitcoin will now be the primary currency of China, replacing the renminbi. Secondly, he has announced that Shanghai McNukes, the nuclear weapons trading partnership with fast-food giant McDonalds, will sell to private citizens. In keeping with the new currency, these privately owned nuclear weapons will be sold entirely in Bitcoin. Finally, meetings of the Chinese politburo will be opened with the State Anthem of the USSR. This State Anthem will be a 'vaporwave' variant, which online commentators have dubbed 'laborwave'.

It is believed that Xi is using the State Anthem of the USSR in an ironic context. On the other hand, it may also speak to Xi's obvious insanity and growing disconnection from the real world. Xi insisted that the anthem was 'a reminder of what to avoid and a memory of the first socialist state', though rumors continue as to its meaning. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the current president of Russia, has objected to this, arguing that the State Anthem of the USSR uses the same tune as the current State Anthem of the Russian Federation. Putin insisted that this would be confusing, and that this national anthem was unrelated to the Russian Federation. Contrary to Deng's apparent Ming sympathies and Xi's increasing madness, Putin reassured the world that "While China may be absurd, the Russian Federation will not be led by a monarchist or a lunatic."

TankNet: The Forum for Revolutionary Anti-Revisionist Leftists

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
So, uh, yeah. I think Xi might be woke. Like, using the Stalin-era State Anthem of the USSR at every politburo meeting? I told you guys he knows what he's doing.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Yeah, it's definitely an obvious sign that Xi's not actually an ancap. Would an ancap endorse the USSR?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
Sure, it's the national anthem of the USSR, which is good, but that's not what I really support.

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Wait, you don't support the People's Republic of China proudly reclaiming its communist heritage against the forces of capitalism and reaction?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
No, I support that, but what I really support is the nuclear proliferation.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
Why?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
Well, who's gonna buy the nukes? American tech billionaires, Canadian politicians, Russian oligarchs, Indian sweatshop owners...Anyone who really wants power. So, what you're gonna see is that they'll snap up these nukes like candy. They'll keep threatening each other with atomic bombs for business opportunities, and eventually something's going to mess up and we'll have nuclear war. It won't cover the whole world equally, mostly just America, Canada, Russia, and India. It'll solve global warming, capitalism, and imperialism in one or two nuclear wars.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Oh my god, can we ban him? What the fuck? What the actual fuck? Are you a psychopath?

GuillotineDemocrats said:
I'm really more like a revolutionary pessimist. In the words of Stalin, "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
...That isn't really orthodox Marxist-Leninist theory, but GuillotineDemocrats is a beloved member of this community who's been on the site for a long while. Way longer than you've ever been, @SocialJusticeMage, I'll remind you that. What's a liberal even doing on TankNet?

SocialJusticeMage said:
But we just saw @GuillotineDemocrats admit to wanting to kill like billions of people with nuclear bombs! Am I the only one who's acknowledging that?

[MOD]OrderofLenin said:
Answer the question, @SocialJusticeMage.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Fine, I got linked here from Union of Democratic Socialists' chatroom and I mostly stay here because I'm making a term paper about modern alienation in politically radicalized groups.

RedLegacy14 said:
Man, I should've thought of that for my last term paper.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Fuck off, fascist.

BigSister<1984> said:
Anyway, yeah, degenerated worker's state. I'm just worried about the possibility of nuclear weapons ending up in the hands of terrorists or stolen by Black Sun Army or something.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Yeah, it's really fucked up. Like, why would Xi even do that? Doesn't he know that that could get a ton of people killed? Even if the Bitcoin thing is actually pretty great. It's objectively the best currency.

BigSister<1984> said:
Well, to be fair, Xi Jinping hasn't exactly been acting rationally for a while now. Even if Busch Gardens Portland is actually a really fun amusement park with some great rides in it. But that wasn't really Xi.

StalinLad said:
Still, you have to praise Xi for the aesthetics.

HundredFlowers said:
What aesthetics?

StalinLad said:
Making the new national anthem the State Anthem of the USSR, obviously. Also, laborwave is totally woke.

HundredFlowers said:
He's shitting all over the Chinese socialist heritage and using a shitty vaporwave version of a revisionist state to do it. Before I was just dumbfounded, now I'm actively angry about this anthem thing.

SocialJusticeMage said:
What about the nuke selling for Bitcoins? Or GuillotineDemocrats calling for a nuclear war to kill all the white people, Indians and Westerners?

HundredFlowers said:
I'm neutral on the nuke selling, because it means that the Naxalites, the New People's Army, the Progressive Communist Party, the and Red Guards Dallas might be able to get nuclear weapons to establish socialism.

HamsickForever said:
It's disgusting that you'd allow those revisionists to buy nuclear weapons with Bitcoins instead of truly socialist organizations like the People's Communist Party, Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and the Cuban government. @HundredFlowers, this site doesn't tolerate liberals like you.

[MOD]SurfingUSSR said:
@HundredFlowers isn't a liberal, @HamsickForever, we have a Left Unity policy. Follow it.

HamsickForever said:
Of course, People's Commissar.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Maybe we shouldn't let people buy implosion-type plutonium bombs with Bitcoins? Maybe that's bad?

TranshumAnarchy said:
Obviously, the only legitimate use of nuclear weapons that doesn't break the NAP is to use them for Orion space engine drives. You know, like in Neon Blood. There's a whole sourcebook, The One Place That Hasn't Been Corrupted By Capitalism about it. The rules for space colonies are rad as heck.

SocialJusticeMage said:
Uh, okay. Hey, are you running a Neon Blood group? That sounds kinda cool.

TranshumAnarchy said:
Are you into min-maxing?

SocialJusticeMage said:
I just played the spin-off video game.

Ivan the Not-so-Terrible · May 4, 2019

Oh hey, is that a Posadist or just a murderous accelerationist?

RiverDelta · May 4, 2019

Ivan the Not-so-Terrible said:
Oh hey, is that a Posadist or just a murderous accelerationist?

I'd go with the latter?

Estro · May 4, 2019

This is so bad i love it

RiverDelta · May 4, 2019

Estro said:
This is so bad i love it

Bad in the sense that it's written poorly?

Estro · May 4, 2019

RiverDelta said:
Bad in the sense that it's written poorly?

No it's bad because it makes my soul hurt. I can just like, feel it dying as i try to follow whatever the hell their minds are

RiverDelta · May 4, 2019

Estro said:
No it's bad because it makes my soul hurt. I can just like, feel it dying as i try to follow whatever the hell their minds are

It's probably a bit of a cliche, but it's based on my experiences on the real-life equivalents of TankNet and the like.

These people, sadly, exist, but thankfully they're utterly politically impotent.

finbikkifin · May 5, 2019

RiverDelta said:
I'd go with the latter?

Yeah, no dolphins and they don't seem to care about how inevitable global thermonuclear war makes the rise of communism from the ashes. Bet they're a liberal and don't even know about the space comrades.

RiverDelta · May 5, 2019

finbikkifin said:
Yeah, no dolphins and they don't seem to care about how inevitable global thermonuclear war makes the rise of communism from the ashes. Bet they're a liberal and don't even know about the space comrades.

To be fair, GuillotineDemocrats as a character is more based on the archetype of tankie who's not particularly historically/theoretically/ideologically minded and mostly just wants an excuse to fantasize about killing people as a twisted power fantasy.

So that's sort of what I'm going for?

Fivemarks · May 5, 2019

Funfact: Posadism is the official philosophy of Star Trek.

finbikkifin · May 5, 2019

Fivemarks said:
Funfact: Posadism is the official philosophy of Star Trek.

This is true, and extremely canon.

MaHaL · May 5, 2019

RiverDelta said:
I just played the spin-off video game.

What a nerd.

Deng and Xi "Upholding" Marxism: A Tankie Message Board Joke Timeline

Temp Banned

Temp Banned

Temp Banned

Temp Banned

Banned Forever

Temp Banned

AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE

Temp Banned

Seeker of the Orb of Zot

Temp Banned

Temp Banned

AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE

Temp Banned

Temp Banned

AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE

Temp Banned

Sassy Bitch Stargazer

Temp Banned

Sassy Bitch Stargazer

Temp Banned

Temp Banned

Banned Forever

Conductor of the Choir of Death