For Instant Manufacture spells that have one, would size/complexity/quantity/etc be limited by the MM roll instead of raw level of the spell?
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It'd help. But there'd still be a hard limit.
Doesn't that just mean "trying to raise the maximum limit of your dice roll by means other than leveling up the spell doesn't help as much as you would hope"?
It's important to remember that Hope was something like four years ago. Now while Epics certainly don't grow anywhere near as fast as Divines and the Goddesses are so high up there that there is little push for growth that is still a lot of time for things to change. Gaining new abilities, leveling up old ones, covering up flaws.
In fact judging by the timeline:
The Goddesses were only together for a single year before Hope. So in fact Grey and Red have spent around four times as long working with the United Darkness as they did working alongside White and Gold.
I'd think it would be different between the different MG types. The second type might behave similarly to human shapeshifters.
*shrug*. What practical implications does that have, really? "Don't let the UD know when you're going to be away from Goddess Gold's supervision"? Oh no, we have to practice basic opsec as per standard military procedure, whatever shall we do?
Also, the surviving Drives have come out of retirement—and have made a semi-public spectacle of that fact—so even if the UD didn't know about Nepgear they'd be going for a second try on Sega and Rev.
If they think it important enough, they can probably drop Ichi or another kill-team on us as soon as they know where we are. There's not much we can do about that, other than not letting them know where we are and keeping escape routes open, which we should be doing anyway.
That was during the previous mission.
Scary as it may be to other people, unless she has a Damage Reduction-reducing Ability a la Solar Radiance or a massive boost to End Damage, The Unstoppable Spear is not a threat to Nepgear. This is:
The first bit means Flight Level 30+.
Sega wasn't sent to "rescue" us; she went of her own accord, without permission. Alex is no more human than Sega is, and may well have her own bizarre mindset that leads her to come after us even with the Seal. You said you haven't read the thread, so look at this post (among others) for how the Control Seals work.
Well, there's nothing stopping us from asking. Answers are a different story.
What kind of trade-off is there between size and complexity? The particular case I'm thinking about is minimal complexity, just creating tons of solid rock in no particular shape.
A few more questions:
1. Any news on the multiplier stacking or Weapon Ability multiplier issues?
2. Does Smite work on the bonus from Auto Max Charge? And why is it a Super Ability, it doesn't really seem strong enough?
3. You've said this:
but how does Oblivion Awaits interact with solid obstacles? I'm asking because the curvature of the Earth means that, in aiming for the other side of the continent, she'd need to aim down. As in, it would go more than a hundred miles into the mantle. Which, if it just annihilates everything in its way, ends (I think) with the oceans boiling and the planet uninhabitable.
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Crystalwatcher
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- I've tried answering them as best I could.
- No, it doesn't. Auto Max Charge is a super ability in the way it works on all MM rolls, regardless of what the modifier roll's effects are. Should it be anything from multiplying the damage, to diving it. Then it stacks on a regular modifier roll into the mix. This means base-modifier roll effecting abilities get a boost, basic rolls get a boost, so on. To the point some characters can outright double their damage without needing to do anything extra for it.
- Which is why she doesn't aim downwards. Rei can, and knows she can, crack planets if she really wanted to. I was being completely literal in her ability to reduce North America into a flatland. As in: a completely flat plane. Cue apocalypse. Oblivion Awaits is exactly what it says on the tin.
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It IS basically a palm-generated version of Enuma Elish after all.
Due to this, let's try not to stand in front of her in combat, like, EVER. Then again, we may actually need to persuade her to crack planets...
diesel366
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Okay, scenario; Rei is guarding a dimensional gate by herself that leads straight to Earth. Before her lies the Entire UD, about 100km away and approaching. The dimension is otherwise barren and worthless, excepting another get that leads to hell. How long could Rei hold the gate and how many casualties would she inflict on the UD?
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Are the UD forces bloodlusted? If not Rei could probably glare and tell them to turn around.
Otherwise I'd expect too many things hitting at once for Goddess Gold to stop them. A similar scenario didn't end well for her sister..
diesel366
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That's why i said for how long, i know she could not hold the gate forever and win. There is also the case in this scenario there is nothing of value she can hit as collateral.
... except Red and Grey, now that i think about it. That would complicate things... okay, exclude Red and Grey.
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If the dimension is barren and useless this ends in a mutual kill. She'd open up with full power oblivion awaits and just destroys the planet.
actually, how does stuff like world breaking interact with non-standard dimensions? Like if Grey Champion boosted goddess white and she used Death of the Will on hell what would happen?
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About 4 days, then her transformation runs out, and she dies.
1. (a) That one was really more for Lost. Probably should have specified. (b) IIRC, you've said exactly one sentence about the Weapon Ability multiplier thing, and the only thing you've said recently on multiplier stacking is that fractional multipliers would work the same as integral ones. But that doesn't matter too much, because (c) I really only want a well-specified system—it doesn't matter if it's bizarre, it just needs to be well-defined and consistently applied. I pointed out that the multiplier stacking was bizarre because that's often indicative of error; if it's intentionally bizarre, just say so so I don't have to worry about you changing your mind when it becomes obvious (the best example I can come up with right now is Sixth Heaven hitting a Story girl, with some ally's Ability giving her an x2. The damage (using Demon King to avoid die rolls) would then, using the rules in LDj's post, be
Demon King: 2500 Base Damage, No Dice, +300 Legendary Existence, x1 Existence Bonus, x2 Double or Nothing = 8400 Total Damage
because the x1 and x2 combine to give an x3). (d) I guess Lost has answered this over in Parallel anyway.
2. The first bit… OK, I can kind of see that. The last part… that's kinda my point. There are lots of Abilities which can double damage, or which do so situationally but those situations cover nearly any time it would really matter. It's not an impressive feat.
3. Cool. So, now that we know it annihilates matter that gets in its way, I expect gale winds and an enormous thunderclap every time she uses it as air rushes in to replace what was destroyed (oh, yeah, that's a part of the apocalypse scenario which I didn't mention: the atmosphere—as in
It's just… there are such massive differences in scale between "can kill planetary-level Divine Beings"/"can wipe out an intelligent species", "can sterilize a life-bearing planet", and "can get rid of a significant fraction of a planet's mass". And also there was this about Goddess Red:
which would tend to make me think that maybe it would "just" scour the surface of the planet instead of, you know, kill all mammals in under a day with one shot (along with most landbound macroscopic life, and much of the rest shortly afterward). (Not that Ni can actually depopulate more than one planet, unless she can summon something with serious spaceflight capabilities plus life support. But some dimensions are just that.)
(Congrats on the newly-capitalized username, by the way.)
Depends on the dimension, really. If it's a planet with an Earthlike geological structure? She fires Oblivion Awaits once, at full power, angled about 15˚ downward. 99.99999% of the UD dies instantly, and the survivors—including Rei herself—are hit by 1000mph winds driving them into the oncoming
Alternatively, she can start by angling it 1–2˚ downward (and dealing with the wind somehow), to move that pesky horizon a bit further away—it's normally about 5km off, and to see something 100km away it would need to be 800m above the ground. Then she keeps going until either her transformation runs out, she needs to sleep, or a sufficiently powerful group gets to her (or the Dark Lord does). If she's forced to detransform, it may or may not kill her—she can easily clear herself some space beforehand, so it would come down to environmental effects and continuous effects with sufficient range (e.g. Overwhelming Presence).
ReaperofInterest
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Hey, remember those questions I was asking about Hope, if MGs could look inhuman, and those hypothetical spells and abilities on Discord? Time to find out why I was asking those questions!
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Inconsistent capitalization.
ReaperofInterest
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Darn it, I had thought I had fixed that. Thanks for pointing it out, it's been fixed now.
ltmauve
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So, I came up with another Magical Girl.
Here:
I'm surprised no one else came up with this idea before I did.
Finite Shot is based off One-Shot, and it means that the user can only use it n times per battle. (in this case, three.)
Here:
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Level 7
Attacks Per Turn: 4
Affinities: Metal
Ability: Batter | Double Hit
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I'm surprised no one else came up with this idea before I did.
Finite Shot is based off One-Shot, and it means that the user can only use it n times per battle. (in this case, three.)
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ltmauve
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So, mechanics question for @Crystalwatcher: is there any reason why Danmaku/Full Auto/other multi-hit abilities give [+x% y times] instead of [+(x * y)% once]? Is there any actual mechanical difference between the two?
Here's some examples where it makes a difference.
Crystalwatcher
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There are other abilities that operate off the ticks.
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Fixed.