By the way, you already know what Archer's talking about post-dinner, the 'asking for dating advice about dating strong-willed women from Tomohisa', right?
Oh, right. I don't know how much I'll be able to get out of that, so what I was hoping for were some things he could be talking about with the other adults besides that. If you don't have anything to add, though, I guess that's fine.
 
Oh, right. I don't know how much I'll be able to get out of that, so what I was hoping for were some things he could be talking about with the other adults besides that. If you don't have anything to add, though, I guess that's fine.
Edited the vote.

Hm... I'd be surprised if Junko doesn't have at least one talk with Archer to make sure that he treats Minako right (even if she doesn't believe he wouldn't). Archer could ask Junko about some things that she might know that Minako likes. He could ask Kirika if there's any particular subject that she excels at or likes if she had to choose one (like any of the STEM fields, art, physical education, etc.) in order to gauge her academic strengths since he already knows her weaknesses and to figure out what kind of job she might like to have if not being Oriko's secretary or maid (and I doubt that Minako would be thrilled if she does end up become one of those two things due to their previous talks).
 
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He could ask Kirika if there's any particular subject that she excels at or likes if she had to choose one
Kirika's favourite subject is whichever one allows her the most time to daydream about Oriko during class. Either that or Home Ec, because Home Ec is the only class where she can learn how to be a better housewife to Oriko. And I'm sure Archer could teach Kirika a thing or two about being a better housewife...
 
Day 38 Chapter 11
[X] Plan Thank The Dice Gods



"This is a pretty nice setup you've got here."

After dessert, and as soon as the dishes were taken care of, Kaname Tomohisa took you on a tour of his garden. Well, 'garden' may not be the most accurate word for what the father Kaname has set up; 'greenhouse' may be more accurate. Located on a rooftop patio encased in glass, the impressive green expanse, you imagine, looks much better in the daytime, but even in the light of the moon it's a setup that has to be seen to be believed.

"Well, I've had a lot of time to get everything perfect," Kaname Tomohisa responds. "But really, none of this would have been possible without Junko."

"You know, something tells me she's thinking the same thing about you." Kaname Tomohisa nods, standing back while you take a few seconds longer to perform some stealthy structural analyses on the vegetables in the garden. They're barely sprouting, and already you can tell that there's some top-quality produce growing here. "Looking forward to a good harvest this year, are we?"

Kaname Tomohisa nods, saying "You've got a good eye for produce. We'd love to have someone like you at the store, if you're interested."

"Maybe," you say, not entirely sure when you'd fit in a part-time job at a produce store with the way things are looking now. Maybe once this is all over... "Right now, I'm mostly just focused on helping Minako get back on her feet." You scratch at the back of your head, and say in a sheepish tone "Actually, about that... Minako doesn't believe me, but I've never actually been in another relationship before her, so... I was wondering if you had any tips on how to date a woman like her."

Kaname Tomohisa laughs, but it's not a mean-spirited or teasing laugh, and he says "Well, from what Junko tells me, you've got Minako head over heels for you, so I'd say you're already doing a pretty good job of things by yourself. Really, I think the best thing you can do is just keep doing what you're doing, and be there for her when she needs you."

"It can't really be that simple, can it?"

"I won't pretend to know Minako as well as either you or Junko do, but if they're anything alike, then I'd wager that one of her biggest problems is that she's... Well, that she's too strong for her own good. What I mean by that is, that they're so used to having to deal with problems on their own, that they need someone there that can make them feel comfortable about opening up, but who wont be aggressive about making them open up." You nod along to Kaname Tomohisa's advice, which he follows up by saying "Even the strongest of us need someone we can lean on from time to time; whether it's making them their favourite dinner, giving them a back rub, lending them an ear when they need to vent about something; or in Minako's case specifically, being there for her daughter when she can't be. I won't pretend to say I know anything about Kirika, but if you've already got her calling you 'dad' then I think you've got this one well under control."

Then, just when you think Kaname Tomohisa has given you some good advice and is done, he winks, and adds on one last piece of advice. "And of course, making her feel like a woman is never a bad thing, either."



The first thing you do once time is moving again is cleanse your Soul Gem. You have no idea how dark it had gotten in the course of your explanation to Madoka or the breakdown that followed, but after letting the person you love peer that deeply into your heart, it's best to keep yourself safe rather than risk everything.

"I hope you weren't eavesdropping on us the entire time," you say to Kirika, though you expect that she will have been regardless.

"I promise you, Homura; I wasn't. I know how important it is when you have to say something to your most important person, so I'll respect that you wanted some privacy to talk things over with Pinkie. Is everything good between you two?"

You look over at Madoka; she's smiling, but deep down you can see how much she's hurting for you, even if she doesn't believe your words. But still, Madoka is safe; she knows the truth about you; and she still accepts you in spite of knowing how you've failed her. "Yes," you say with confidence. "Everything is good between us."

"Then hurry downstairs, will you? I'm getting tired of sitting around doing nothing."


"We should probably get going," you say to Madoka, as you give her hand one last squeeze. "I don't imagine it was very nice of us to leave Kirika alone while we went up here to talk."

Madoka nods, saying "Right," as she leads you by the hand out of her room and back downstairs. "Come on, Homura-chan. Let's go."

"So there I am - hic - working this job for... What, two, three years now? And I get assigned some stupid commercial account. Couple'a guys wanna open up a produce store, or something. Big deal, amirite?" You and Madoka arrive downstairs just at the same time that Archer and Kaname Tomohisa are returning from their own discussion; and the four of you, by the sound of things, have just wandered into Kaname Junko telling Kure Minako about how she and Kaname Tomohisa met. "Turns out, the guy I'm meeting with is, like, su~uper hot, and he's only a few years younger than me, too!"

The two women are well into a case of beer, though Kure Minako is drinking at a more reserved pace than her conversation partner, who is down about eight cans of Sapporo Premium; possibly more. You can't make out how many are littered around her from this position; and the more Kaname Junko drinks, the more strongly her accent comes on. The four of your watch and listen silently, not wanting to disrupt the two women in the middle of their conversation. "Oh, sure, we tried to keep things professional between us, but I mean, it was only a matter of time before the account was done... I tell you, Minako, if that idiot had taken another week to ask me out, I'd have gone over to his house and knocked his lights out for making me wait!"

"I swear, I must'a rubbed Buddha's belly pretty damn hard in a past life to deserve a guy like Tomo. He's kind, smart, funny, patient... He's a great cook; he doesn't mind staying home with the kids... And he fucks like a goddamn superhero." Kaname Tomohisa's face goes a brilliant scarlet at his wife's words, and he tries to make himself as invisible as possible while everyone else has to pretend that they didn't hear what Kaname Junko said about him. "If Archer can make you feel the way Tomo makes me feel, girl, you better make him put a ring on you, soon as he can."

"Alright, honey, I think the others have heard enough." Kaname Tomohisa overcomes his red cabbage nature and steps in between his wife and everyone else as best as he can. "Everyone, I'm very grateful that you all came and enjoyed yourselves, but I think we should be calling it a night about now."

"Aw, come on, Tomo, let'em stay!" Kaname Junko turns around in her chair, only just now seeing the crowd of people that had gathered to hear her say what she did about her husband. "I had you get me the good stuff, and Minako's not even drunk yet or nothing!"

"Minako has a long way back to her apartment, doesn't she? I don't think it's a good idea for her to have to make that trip drunk. Besides-" Kaname Tomohisa's eyes dart back and forth between his wife and Kure Minako, before he says "-both of you have to work tomorrow, don't you? ?I don't think the old man would appreciate you both coming in hungover, would he?"

"If we were already back at her apartment, I wouldn't mind," Archer chimes in. "But I'd rather not have to walk her back to her apartment while she's drunk... Again. The last time wasn't pleasant for either of us."

"I'm... Good to go," Kure Minako says, standing on legs whose support could be sturdier. "I've got a little bit of a buzz going, but I should be good to make it back home." Archer approaches as Kure Minako wobbles towards him, as the pair meet in the middle. "Especially if I've got a big, strong man there to help me. Kirika!" she calls out, "We're heading out now!" From her place at the living room couch, you hear Kirika get up, and she shuffles over to her mother, muttering under her breath "Wasn't even a reason for me to be here... Could have just left my school bag at the apartment, too..." When mother and daughter have their shoes on, Kure Minako asks Archer "Are you coming back with us, or were you going back with Homura?"

Archer looks to you, and then to the Kures; you nod, and he turns back to Kure Minako and says "I was thinking of going back with you two. I never did find the time to help Kirika with her homework; and if you're up for it, I'd like to give you some help as well."

After a round of goodbyes, Archer parts with the Kures, and shortly after you and Madoka bid your goodbyes as well - "I'll see you tomorrow, Homura-chan" - you head back to your apartment, where Assassin is waiting for you. Her scent is all over the hallway, so it's no surprise when Amy doesn't come out to greet you as you take your shoes off.

"Welcome home, master," Assassin says to you as you enter the living room. There are crumbs dotting her lips, the source of which is the box of cookies from which she is snacking as she browses the internet on your laptop. Her feet had been kicking back and forth in the air as she lay on her stomach when you first entered, but upon your arrival Assassin shifts to a seated position, as she makes room for you to join her. "Did you enjoy yourself?"

"Yes," you say; perhaps 'enjoyable' isn't the right word to describe tonight's dinner, but you came out of it with Madoka knowing the truth about you and accepting you for it, so there's no way you can say it was bad. "And now that I'm home, I was hoping I could talk to you about a couple of things."

[ ] Wat do?​
 
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And so ends dinner. On the one hand, I feel bad for Kirika with how much she was ignored by just about everyone; but on the other hand, we've been interacting with her a lot more than we have with other characters who have been traditionally closer to Homura, so I'm not sure how bad I should be feeling for her.

Stopping here because, while the previous vote addresses another way for Assassin to live a more normal life with us, I don't feel that it accomplishes the stated task of "addressing Assassin's place in our family", so I'd like to give you guys the chance to re-address this before going any further. And maybe if there's still space left in the vote, we could go into a bit more detail about what Archer's shopping plan looks like.
 
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Agh, SVS, you ignored the 'show proof via photos' for two votes in a row. What, did a photo kill your family or something? :V

[X] Plan How To Shop Smartly With Coupons & Sales
-[X] For Assassin's place in this family in particular, it'll really depend on their interactions with one another once she's able to go out and about with everybody over a period of time, like with Archer (so it'll take time, basically, and it certainly isn't improbable for her to concretely become part of the family in spirit given enough of it). Regardless, as previously mentioned she could probably pass as a distant cousin on Archer's side of the family when it comes to introducing her to people outside of the Holy Sextet.
-[X] (Archer) Go shopping on the way back to the Kure residence. Pick out and show both Minako and Kirika what to buy that's both healthy and affordable, and when to buy things that are on sale without just buying it for the sake of it being on sale as that's how many establishments encourage shoppers to buy more when they really don't need whatever it is they're buying (you'd assume that Kirika would want to learn all this too considering how she wants to be a good 'housewife' to Oriko, and it's a nice skill to have regardless).
-[X] (Archer) Talk to Minako about their date for tomorrow, and if she has any movie place and/or movie in mind considering you're technically new to the area and you were only recently overseas. Also hashing out a good time for when they go out would be nice.
--[X] Reaffirm - if/when appropriate - that you genuinely have never dated before as you were even more of a clueless harem protagonist when you were younger, so this is treading new ground for you. You'd like it if Minako could point out anything you're doing wrong while they're on their date tomorrow so that you could remedy it in the future.
 
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Agh, SVS, you ignored the 'show proof via photos' for two votes in a row. What, did a photo kill your family or something?
Technically no, but in person I do happen to be incredibly shutter-shy.

Actually, it's mostly because, regardless of whatever other stuff Homura has in her shield, I don't really think she'd have pictures of everyone in their magical girl outfits from old timelines lying around in hyperspace. She does have photos of things she probably couldn't normally have, like the various witches we do see her having pictures of, but that's at least tactically relevant material in the event that she has teammates.
 
[x] Hug Assassin
-[x] So, you want to consider her a part of your family, but you're not quite sure how.
--[x] Apologize for being a bit out of it.
---[x] If pressed, explain that you had a Very Important Talk with your girlfriend, and it's left you feeling a little drained.
 
Actually, it's mostly because, regardless of whatever other stuff Homura has in her shield, I don't really think she'd have pictures of everyone in their magical girl outfits from old timelines lying around in hyperspace. She does have photos of things she probably couldn't normally have, like the various witches we do see her having pictures of, but that's at least tactically relevant material in the event that she has teammates.
Hm, idk, I just find it hard to believe that Homura's never taken a photo with Madoka and co in or out of costume during all the years of her looping, not to mention the fact that she canonically worked together with Madoka full of hope for at least a good portion of the early timelines. Even a photo of them in regular clothes at a shopping mall or something would probably be adequate proof, considering this Madoka wouldn't remember such an outing and the differing clothes and (potentially) hair-style for past-Homura.
[x] Hug Assassin
-[x] So, you want to consider her a part of your family, but you're not quite sure how.
--[x] Apologize for being a bit out of it.
---[x] If pressed, explain that you had a Very Important Talk with your girlfriend, and it's left you feeling a little drained.
Hey hey hey, slow down there. She's only at affection rating 7 right now - which is roughy equating to a newfound friend or close acquaintance - so I don't think Homura would be that forward about her wanting Assassin in their family definitively. That's why I stipulated that she probably wouldn't be against growing closer to her, but like all things it'll take time to do so; Assassin being about to interact with people other than Homura in general is what would help push her to becoming more integrated as she lives a more normal life with everyone, rather than simply being a Servant unable to interact with other without the threat of them dying. :p
 
Hm, idk, I just find it hard to believe that Homura's never taken a photo with Madoka and co in or out of costume during all the years of her looping, not to mention the fact that she canonically worked together with Madoka full of hope for at least a good portion of the early timelines. Even a photo of them in regular clothes at a shopping mall or something would probably be adequate proof, considering this Madoka wouldn't remember such an outing and the differing clothes and (potentially) hair-style for past-Homura.
I would like to point out that, much earlier in the quest, Madoka and Hitomi had the chance to sit in while Homura was practicing before she really had Projections down, and one of the things Homura made to practice with was a doll of Madoka wearing her magical girl attire. So it isn't as though Madoka doesn't have some kind of proof that Homura's telling the truth.

In addition, the sentiment I was trying to get across with Madoka's response, if it wasn't clear enough from the post itself is that, while Madoka isn't entirely sure that she believes Homura's words, she does believe Homura. To Madoka, the fact that what Homura told her is important to Homura, is more important to Madoka than whether Madoka believes Homura's words are true. Does that make sense? That's why it's less important to me, from a writing perspective, to try and convince Madoka when I'm not 100% that Homura would have photographic proof to offer Madoka.

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Oh yeah, guys-
[X] For Assassin's place in this family in particular, it'll really depend on their interactions with one another once she's able to go out and about with everybody over a period of time, like with Archer (so it'll take time, basically, and it certainly isn't improbable for her to concretely become part of the family in spirit given enough of it). Regardless, as previously mentioned she could probably pass as a distant cousin on Archer's side of the family when it comes to introducing her to people outside of the Holy Sextet.
[x] Hug Assassin
-[x] So, you want to consider her a part of your family, but you're not quite sure how.
--[x] Apologize for being a bit out of it.
---[x] If pressed, explain that you had a Very Important Talk with your girlfriend, and it's left you feeling a little drained.
What about Archer? Are we doing anything for his shopping trip with the Kures? Do we have anything special in mind he should pick up for them, anything we want to have him talk to Minako or Kirika about? Or are we going straight home and getting on the with the studying while Minako can still walk and think straight?
 
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I would like to point out that, much earlier in the quest, Madoka and Hitomi had the chance to sit in while Homura was practicing before she really had Projections down, and one of the things Homura made to practice with was a doll of Madoka wearing her magical girl attire.

Was it? I actually remember that scene and I thought it was a model of Madoka wearing a casual clothes outfit. I specifically remember checking to see if it was the magical girl outfit because I thought it'd be a slip-up if Homura did that.
 
Was it? I actually remember that scene and I thought it was a model of Madoka wearing a casual clothes outfit. I specifically remember checking to see if it was the magical girl outfit because I thought it'd be a slip-up if Homura did that.
I just went and checked for myself, and it is magical girl costume.
"Wow, Homura-chan! It looks just like me!" You glance down at the object you've just projected. It is not the replica Ming dynasty bow you had been practicing with. Instead, a tiny figurine of Madoka has been created, wholecloth, from the image in your mind. It stands around fourteen centimeters, and every detail of her puella magi costume has been perfectly replicated in miniature.
You might have missed that it was Madoka's magical girl outfit, because Homura lied and said it was something she came up with in her head because she thought it would look cute on Madoka, but it is her magical girl outfit.
 
...I don't think so?
Well, there was this part to the previous vote,
-[X] (Archer) Go back to the Kure residence to tutor them again, but pick up groceries for them on the way there; stay the night again, though you'll return home in the morning (after cooking breakfast for everyone) in order to cook for the Akemi residents and to get ready for your date with Minako
which is why I was asking whether your or Enetious had any plans to expand on this, like if there were anything specific we wanted to pick out for Minako and Kirika, or whether there was anything we wanted to talk to them about while we were shopping, or if we wanted to just head straight back to the Kure apartment and hit the books while Minako can still think straight-ish.
 
Well, there was this part to the previous vote,

which is why I was asking whether your or Enetious had any plans to expand on this, like if there were anything specific we wanted to pick out for Minako and Kirika, or whether there was anything we wanted to talk to them about while we were shopping, or if we wanted to just head straight back to the Kure apartment and hit the books while Minako can still think straight-ish.
Edited the plan (yeah, it's a plan now). Archer will mostly be enlightening Minako and Kirika about the sorcery that is smart shopping while they're out and about, and when they get back Archer will tutor them (Minako if she's able to concentrate) and talk to Minako about hashing out a general game plan for their date tomorrow.
 
Edited the plan (yeah, it's a plan now). Archer will mostly be enlightening Minako and Kirika about the sorcery that is smart shopping while they're out and about, and when they get back Archer will tutor them (Minako if she's able to concentrate) and talk to Minako about hashing out a general game plan for their date tomorrow.
We could probably make it a triple date if we felt like making things really awkward. Imagine, Madoka and Homura on one side, Oriko and Kirika on the other, and Archer and Minako are stuck in the middle, trying to get away from their kids so they can have a more adult date night.
 
Sooo, just another update from one of my forays into F/GO. I found out definitively what Serenity's Dance of Silence B skill does and how it works. :D
Camelot - Chapter 9 | Poisonous Flower said:
Agravain: It will not, fool. The Enforcement Knights will not stop, even if you kill me. You will all die down here. That was decided the moment I arrived. Death means nothing to me, as it is an inevitability. Soon, the sacred lance will enter its final phase. When that happens, this era will... What's going on!?

Enforcement Knight: Lord Agravain? Why are you retreating all by---- Ugh... Argh... Gah... What's going on... My feet are numb... And... I can't breathe...

Mash: They... They all passed out! What's going on here!?

Serenity: ... Halt. If you take another step, you will be affected by this poison as well. I am the Hassan-i-Sabah of the Serenity, the poisonous flower that blooms at night. As I dance, the wind becomes poison and assassinates the enemy---- It's meant to be used upwind, but you can see how it works in an airtight facility such as this one... Hehe. It was... something I was able to use only because everyone kept the Enforcement Knights at bay. You have my gratitude. ... And I am sorry to have kept you waiting, Master Ritsuka. Was I... useful to you?

Ritsuka: Oh, uh, of course!
[skipped unnecessary dialogue]
Sanzang: ... Agravain got away, huh? He ran above ground with his tail between his legs as soon as he sensed the poison... All his men are out cold. I doubt they'll pose any threat now.

Tawara Touta: Well, so... what's the situation? Is it all right for us to move now?

Serenity: ... Yes. I've stopped my dance, so the poison should have thinned out. Breathing the air might numb you a bit, but it should be fine.
So it appears that Dance of Silence B allows Serenity to generate poison in the air nearby her (in specific areas she wants - probably with some range component since she normally needs the wind to carry it - otherwise she'd have poisoned all of her allies in this scene) which paralyzes and knocks people and Servants alike out cold, though certain Servants such as Agravain could sense it's presence if they have the proper skills. It apparently can even knock out those with the Poison Resistance skill at the level that can withstand Serenity's touch (Mash - and therefore Ritsuka since they're contracted - thanks to the effects of Mash's shield).

On another note, from the same chapter in Arrow 3 it was mentioned that Serenity is still underage as a Servant by both Dr. Roman and Hassan of the Cursed Arm, so I guess that's something we got wrong earlier on in the quest. She's probably still older than Homura and her friends in any case. :p

EDIT: To clarify I'm not looking to have Serenity's age changed at all from how it was previously mentioned in the quest so far, I'm just mentioning it as a neat bit of trivia since I found out about it around the same time as I did her Dance of Silence skill.
 
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On another note, from the same chapter in Arrow 3 it was mentioned that Serenity is still underage as a Servant by both Dr. Roman and Hassan of the Cursed Arm, so I guess that's something we got wrong earlier on in the quest. She's probably still older than Homura and her friends in any case.
Singularity = fucked up timeline of events. Serenity could have been underage at the time the singularity was taking place and not underage 99% of the rest of the time. At any rate, if there's a way to make the parameters [underage as a servant] and [significantly older than Homura] align, not that they even have to, is to say that servants are summoned in their prime. Serenity may have lived to an age where she was older than Homura by as much as the pair think, and may still think of herself that way because that's the age she was when she died, but her prime as a Hassan was in her youth, when she was at her most agile, her poisons their most potent, and her appearance at its most seductive, and her body and abilities reflect that.

Or maybe "underage as a servant" means something different in this context than her actual age. Arturia and the KotRT are from the 500's, Ozzy reigned from 1279-1213 BC, Gorgon is from some time during the Mycenaean Greek Bronze age, which spanned 1600-1100 BC, etc... Compared to those numbers, yeah, the Hassans are all underage as servants- And yes, this does include the first Hassan. Hassan-i-Sabbah the man only lived from 1050-1124 AD, and the entire Order of Assassins only lasted until 1275 AD (during which time there were only 8 Old Men of the Mountain at Alamut Castle, and not 19).

Also, do note that Serenity never told Homura how old she was; that was just Homura guessing Serenity's age, and Serenity never correcting her.

This wouldn't be the first time something I've written has been contradicted by a gacha game, because according to MagiReco, Oriko is 170cm (versus the 163cm I pegged her at in-quest) and Kirika is both 148cm (versus my 154cm) and is only 14 (whereas I have her at 15), but catch me caring because - say it with me now - MagiReco isn't canon to this quest. Also those numbers were only published recently, whereas I laid out their heights a long time ago.
 
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Dance of silence B? You mean that others can do this, or that it's an ability rated b rank that she can do?
Potentially, yeah. But it's very unlikely that any other Servant could obtain that skill without their living counterpart being taught it by Serenity at some point and them becoming famous enough to become a Servant.

Generally there are plenty of "unique" skills like that, and they're rated by power accordingly; they are just indicators in the Servant system that so-and-so has a special ability that's not a Noble Phantasm but it notable enough to be specifically mentioned.
Yeeaah, unlike in some other Singularities the Hassan-i-Sabahs that were in the Camelot singularity are their actual Servant versions and not their living counterparts. That's specifically mentioned by Hassan of the Cursed Arm very early on in the Singularity, and even in every single Arrow in Chapter 9 Serenity's constantly referred to as a Servant. :p

Though yeah, like I said, I'm not expecting you to amend her age in the quest. It was just some neat bit of trivia that was otherwise annoyingly obscure enough that finding out about it was notable.

EDIT: Initially missed this, but
Or maybe "underage as a servant" means something different in this context than her actual age. Arturia and the KotRT are from the 500's, Ozzy reigned from 1279-1213 BC, Gorgon is from some time during the Mycenaean Greek Bronze age, which spanned 1600-1100 BC, etc... Compared to those numbers, yeah, the Hassans are all underage as servants- And yes, this does include the first Hassan. Hassan-i-Sabbah the man only lived from 1050-1124 AD, and the entire Order of Assassins only lasted until 1275 AD (during which time there were only 8 Old Men of the Mountain at Alamut Castle, and not 19).
they were referring to her physical age, not her age in comparison to other things like this. Dr. Roman himself was appalled that the KotRT would have their men torturing such a young girl as Serenity.
 
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Yeeaah, unlike in some other Singularities the Hassan-i-Sabahs that were in the Camelot singularity are their actual Servant versions and not their living counterparts. That's specifically mentioned by Hassan of the Cursed Arm very early on in the Singularity, and even in every single Arrow in Chapter 9 Serenity's constantly referred to as a Servant.
Whaaaaaaat?

You're telling me that THE Serenity wasn't actually 700 years old?

I'm so disappointed.
 
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