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Civilization: Beyond Earth-Robots versus Kaiju versus Battleships

Robots versus Kaiju versus Battleships: WHO WINS?

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MJ12 Commando said:
Central Europe is probably going to be some sort of DLC, and the Middle East probably blew itself up.
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In one of the earlier trailers we see ships rising over the Pyramids (which have become beachside property) so I imagine that an Egypt-based state will be included as DLC.
 
You know I'm still a big fan of Supremacy but I can't help but agree there is a degree of fanaticism in them, moreso then any other faction. They aren't the borg or Ad Mech, as far as I can see they still have full range of emotions, it's just how they retake earth reaks of white man's burden (Cyberman's Burden?) mixed with a mild amount of vaguely religious brainwashing.
 
Teen Spirit said:
You know I'm still a big fan of Supremacy but I can't help but agree there is a degree of fanaticism in them, moreso then any other faction. They aren't the borg or Ad Mech, as far as I can see they still have full range of emotions, it's just how they retake earth reaks of white man's burden (Cyberman's Burden?) mixed with a mild amount of vaguely religious brainwashing.
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Well, here's the thing. You have a giant pile of factions on Earth which are broadly unfriendly with each other, right?

And now one of them has made recontact with Earth and gone "Oh hey we're coming back for you guys, and also we have these unstoppable killer robots." I would think that the other factions would flip their collective shit, thus requiring some level of military dominance.

Also, there's religious overtones in all of the factions. In fact, one of the Wonders is explicit that Purity basically hijacked how humans are inclined towards religiosity to spread itself as a meme. All of the factions will have religious overtones because well, religion is one of the most effective memes in existence and when you're in a society which has created a science of memes and how to make memes more effective you'll probably see some components of religiosity built into all of them simply to increase their success rate.
 
Has the combat been rebalanced so that armies have to go for a decent combined arms or is it still ranged units and the occasional cavalry equivalent with maybe infantry for cities?
 
The fluff in the civilopedia is really cool. Look up the LEV destroyer, for instance, or the Human Hive. I do kinda wish they'd fluffed out the upgraded units, though.

Just recently beat a Purity game as the Brasilians (Mercury-level difficulty, massive map). Fought no wars with anything but the wildlife, something I'm oddly proud of. I tend towards a generally pacifist style when I play Civ games in general, usually preferring to build tall and to focus on development, not fighting.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
Well, here's the thing. You have a giant pile of factions on Earth which are broadly unfriendly with each other, right?

And now one of them has made recontact with Earth and gone "Oh hey we're coming back for you guys, and also we have these unstoppable killer robots." I would think that the other factions would flip their collective shit, thus requiring some level of military dominance.

Also, there's religious overtones in all of the factions. In fact, one of the Wonders is explicit that Purity basically hijacked how humans are inclined towards religiosity to spread itself as a meme. All of the factions will have religious overtones because well, religion is one of the most effective memes in existence and when you're in a society which has created a science of memes and how to make memes more effective you'll probably see some components of religiosity built into all of them simply to increase their success rate.
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My god. Weaponize memes. We are truly in SMAC territory.:o:eek:
 
anon_user said:
I tend towards a generally pacifist style when I play Civ games in general, usually preferring to build tall and to focus on development, not fighting.
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Yeah, that's my general strategy in Civ V and looks to be my strategy in BE when I get it. I still build wider than most people do though, plopping down cities near my borders to claim resources if no one else has already expanded in that area, instead of sticking to an absolute maximum number of cities to settle.

Still, I usually go out of my way to fuck over Monty, Shaka, or Attila if they spawn near me or if they go on a warmongering spree, because fuck those guys. Askia sometimes gets that treatment as well. Dunno who'd be the equivalent of those warmongering assholes in BE though.
 
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Welp. I've beaten it on SPESS Deity now.

And frankly, the AI needs work.

I got War-Dec'ed once. /ONCE/. In a game where I was playing super aggresive, and over extending like a boss. (New favorite cheese - SABR+ Infantry + Armor + Transporter Satellite - Oh hey, you only have 1 unit by your capital? MINE NOW. It's basically a one turn (if you put it close to the enemy) TACTICAL GENIUS)

So far though, a good game. But, as everyone else said - in 2 years, it'll be great, once the inevitable expansions come out.

I really wouldn't mind 2-3 more tiers on the Tech Web, a lot more bonuses etc for Affinity, and more/more powerful Wonders. Some of them are pretty weak, and some are necessary. (The Farm and Generator improvement ones are basically a late game, oh I'm winning? Let me make my lead insurmountable.)
 
You think it will take two years? Well damn I'm hoping we get dlc and stuff sooner. :p
Anyway what I'd like to see now is some additional fluff to cover upgraded units. The basic soldier fluff doesn't make much sense when you start racking up affinity levels.

In the near/mid term? I'd like to see more units. Not just affinity units but basic stuff like apcs, transports and vtol gunships, more infantry units and so on.
More aliens would be nice as well. Hell maybe introduce faction specific units....

Additionally more stuff on the planets. The tilesets are okay but could use some more variety and visual oomph.

More factions would be nice too.
 
WireWolf said:
You think it will take two years? Well damn I'm hoping we get dlc and stuff sooner. :p
Anyway what I'd like to see now is some additional fluff to cover upgraded units. The basic soldier fluff doesn't make much sense when you start racking up affinity levels.

In the near/mid term? I'd like to see more units. Not just affinity units but basic stuff like apcs, transports and vtol gunships, more infantry units and so on.
More aliens would be nice as well. Hell maybe introduce faction specific units....

Additionally more stuff on the planets. The tilesets are okay but could use some more variety and visual oomph.

More factions would be nice too.
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Not too much room on Earth to pull new factions from, so I'm expecting for them to pull a SMAX and bring out some aliens for any expansion pack.
 
Mental Omega said:
Not too much room on Earth to pull new factions from, so I'm expecting for them to pull a SMAX and bring out some aliens for any expansion pack.
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You kidding?
The UK, Central Europe,Northern Europe, Canada, Middle East, Central America and Japan.
Hell you could also do a proper American faction considering a megacorp is doing a stand in for the States.
 
WireWolf said:
You kidding?
The UK, Central Europe,Northern Europe, Canada, Middle East, Central America and Japan.
Hell you could also do a proper American faction considering a megacorp is doing a stand in for the States.
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Japan is part of the pan-asian group, the UK, Central, and Northern Europe would most realistically be part of an Anglo-German thing (because despite my joking earlier, nobody else there really matters compared to those two anyway, they'd at best be junior partners in the alliance, at worst outright annexed), and Canada is part of the American bloc.
 
Mental Omega said:
Japan is part of the pan-asian group, the UK, Central, and Northern Europe would most realistically be part of an Anglo-German thing (because despite my joking earlier, nobody else there really matters compared to those two anyway, they'd at best be junior partners in the alliance, at worst outright annexed), and Canada is part of the American bloc.
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Huh, I didn't see that japan was part of the PAC.
Well an Anglo-Saxon civ WOULD be awesome.....
I didn't hear jack about Canada being folded into the states, but fine.
That still leaves the middle east, central america+carribbean and a proper NorthAm civ and Anglo-Saxon civ that could be properly addressed. I'd much rather those then aliens.
 
WireWolf said:
Huh, I didn't see that japan was part of the PAC.
Well an Anglo-Saxon civ WOULD be awesome.....
I didn't hear jack about Canada being folded into the states, but fine.
That still leaves the middle east, central america+carribbean and a proper NorthAm civ and Anglo-Saxon civ that could be properly addressed. I'd much rather those then aliens.
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The American power bloc goes from Canada to at least Mexico, so I'm fairly sure that it would also have devoured the central american and Caribbean countries.

With the ME, this gives you two (the middle east and Anglo-Germany).

Not exactly Xpack material.

Also, the progenitors in SMAX were very intriguing and interesting as a whole given how incredibly weird they both were.
 
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Mental Omega said:
The American power bloc goes from Canada to at least Mexico, so I'm fairly sure that it would also have devoured the central american and Caribbean countries.


With the ME, this gives you two.

Not exactly Xpack material.

Also, the progenitors in SMAX were very intriguing and interesting as a whole.
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Where is this power bloc mentioned?
I didn't see it.
And your ignoring Anglo-Germania. Which would be a interesting counterwieght to franco-iberia considering its being compared to Rome 2.0
So that along with everything else is at least three.

And that's only after you started folding stuff into power blocs.
And there's no reason you can't make up new countries or factions. They did it with ARC.

And while the aliens were "interesting" they don't really fit the game considering the are already a contact victory for CONTACTING the progenitors and a bunch of quests revolving around archeology.
 
WireWolf said:
Where is this power bloc mentioned?
I didn't see it.
And your ignoring Anglo-Germania. Which would be a interesting counterwieght to franco-iberia considering its being compared to Rome 2.0
So that along with everything else is at least three.

And that's only after you started folding stuff into power blocs.
And there's no reason you can't make up new countries or factions. They did it with ARC.

And while the aliens were "interesting" they don't really fit the game considering the are already a contact victory for CONTACTING the progenitors and a bunch of quests revolving around archeology.
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ARC is the American power bloc, essentially all of North America is in it, and yes, I was considering Anglo-Germania.

Anglo-Germania and the ME would be the only ones left.

Wolf, pretty much every country is folded into a power bloc. The world of Beyond Earth is that where everyone is part of a superpower.

None of the eight factions are made up of one of the present day nations. They're conglomerations dominated by one of them.

ARC is North America under the USA's corporate domination, Brasilia is South America under Brazil's leadership, the Slavic Federation is exactly what it says on the tin; a merging together of the slavic countries (if Vadim's speech is to be taken literally with "Eurasian nations", presumably Central Asia is once again under Russian dominance too, and I can't imagine that Romania and Greece would escape essentially being satellited to the Slavs).

Basically the Andorras, Paraguays, and Zimbabwes of the world are all part of superpower blocs.

Also here's the thing about aliens, you can have more than one spacefaring species of them in a scifi setting.
 
Mental Omega said:
ARC is the American power bloc, essentially all of North America is in it, and yes, I was considering Anglo-Germania.

Anglo-Germania and the ME would be the only ones left.

Wolf, pretty much every country is folded into a power bloc. The world of Beyond Earth is that where everyone is part of a superpower.

None of the eight factions are made up of one of the present day nations. They're conglomerations dominated by one of them.

ARC is North America under the USA's corporate domination, Brasilia is South America under Brazil's leadership, the Slavic Federation is exactly what it says on the tin; a merging together of the slavic countries (if Vadim's speech is to be taken literally with "Eurasian nations", presumably Central Asia is once again under Russian dominance too, and I can't imagine that Romania and Greece would escape essentially being satellited to the Slavs).

Basically the Andorras, Paraguays, and Zimbabwes of the world are all part of superpower blocs.

Also here's the thing about aliens, you can have more than one spacefaring species of them in a scifi setting.
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ARC while nominally representing the U.S. also isn't the U.S. there's no in game or evefluff reason why the U.S. which is still an independent country would turn over their space program to ARC. Their whole schtick was them announcing they'd perform their own Seed missions for the glory of the company. Not that they'd be taking over the US's program.
And while many countries have been absorbed into blocs I doubt that they all have.
And the fluff is vague enough to allow this.

And the problem with adding aliens is that the contact victories entire point is finding out that humanity isn't alone in the galaxy and that we currently share a galaxy with a still existing alien species that we an contact. Adding a hole host of alien species cheapens the point of the game.

Furthermore making the aliens fit with stuff like the affinity system, which is tuned to account for humans and our philoshies. Not to mention all of the fluff regarding technology and buildings and so on.
Aliens JUST don't fit!
 
WireWolf said:
ARC while nominally representing the U.S. also isn't the U.S. there's no in game or evefluff reason why the U.S. which is still an independent country would turn over their space program to ARC. Their whole schtick was them announcing they'd perform their own Seed missions for the glory of the company. Not that they'd be taking over the US's program.
And while many countries have been absorbed into blocs I doubt that they all have.
And the fluff is vague enough to allow this.

And the problem with adding aliens is that the contact victories entire point is finding out that humanity isn't alone in the galaxy and that we currently share a galaxy with a still existing alien species that we an contact. Adding a hole host of alien species cheapens the point of the game.

Furthermore making the aliens fit with stuff like the affinity system, which is tuned to account for humans and our philoshies. Not to mention all of the fluff regarding technology and buildings and so on.
Aliens JUST don't fit!
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Why do you think the US still has a space program? What we do know about the post-Mistake world is that shit is totally fucked to the point where Brazil is the predominant military hyperpower. The US, outside of ARC, could be a Third World country which only has companies investing in it because it's got cheap labor. You're assuming that the current balance of power still exists in the post-Mistake world, where the canon is pretty clear that it does not.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
Why do you think the US still has a space program? What we do know about the post-Mistake world is that shit is totally fucked to the point where Brazil is the predominant military hyperpower. The US, outside of ARC, could be a Third World country which only has companies investing in it because it's got cheap labor. You're assuming that the current balance of power still exists in the post-Mistake world, where the canon is pretty clear that it does not.
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because there's been no indication or mention that its a third world country and while enviormentally shellshocked like most of the world the fluff hasn't pointed to the U.S. being a blasted hellhole and it goes against the fact that ultimately the setting is for the most part hopeful.
 
WireWolf said:
because there's been no indication or mention that its a third world country and while enviormentally shellshocked like most of the world the fluff hasn't pointed to the U.S. being a blasted hellhole and it goes against the fact that ultimately the setting is for the most part hopeful.
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The power blocs include Russia, a state with a massive demographic bomb that doesn't really have any foreseeable hope in the near future as one of the sponsors, and the former EU, US, and China as powers with inferior military might to Brazil to the point where Brazil is the predominant military power. The geopolitical upheavals which lead to Russia being an important nation again and Brazil being a military superpower imply that WW3 And Then Some happened to knock the US, EU, and China back centuries. There was apparently serious risk of significant amounts of human cultural knowledge being lost, which is why Elodie is so famous. The setting is hopeful because it points out that despite our mistakes humanity can learn, thrive, and prosper. The fact that the Great Mistake was pretty damn Great is actually fitting in the setting and very important to it.

Basically, if you read between the lines, you kind of get that shit has become completely fucked, is only going to get worse, and the Seeding is basically the last desperate gasp of the world to keep humanity alive in some form because they're not sure that they can live and prosper on Earth.
 
I'm aware of all that. But my point is that Africa somehow manages to marshal enough money, materials and people to launch seeding missions then its just bonkers that even a weakened United States would somehow be unable to do the same. Considering North Americas vast resources, sizeable population andinfrastructure history of space flight. Simply excluding it is rather nuts.

I'm not arguing that America is still a superpower.I'm arguing that there should be enough left of the United States to scrap together some seed missions. I mean hell. The ARCs current leader didn't seem to have a history of the u.s. being a third world crap hole.

and it still gave birth to one of the worlds most powerful ngo's and was able to buy its services in helping clean up north America.
 
WireWolf said:
I'm aware of all that. But my point is that Africa somehow manages to marshal enough money, materials and people to launch seeding missions then its just bonkers that even a weakened United States would somehow be unable to do the same. Considering North Americas vast resources, sizeable population andinfrastructure history of space flight. Simply excluding it is rather nuts.

I'm not arguing that America is still a superpower.I'm arguing that there should be enough left of the United States to scrap together some seed missions. I mean hell. The ARCs current leader didn't seem to have a history of the u.s. being a third world crap hole.
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Yes, Africa manages to launch a Seeding mission. Africa, the country which wouldn't have been nuked from WW3. Note that the leading theory for what the world would look like significantly after a nuclear WW3 involved Brazil becoming a world superpower. Which is exactly what happened here. Isn't that just suspicious that the way the world aligns just so happens to look like a post-WW3 world where China, America, and the EU are basically totally fucked from a large-scale nuclear exchange killing billions?

and it still gave birth to one of the worlds most powerful ngo's and was able to buy its services in helping clean up north America.
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ARC is implied to basically run America, Canada, and Mexico. Like, entirely. This is not implying that the non-ARC parts of America, Canada, and Mexico are in great shape. In fact, given the strong democratic traditions in all three nations this is kind of arguing against the US having any meaningful say.
 
MJ12 Commando said:
Yes, Africa manages to launch a Seeding mission. Africa, the country which wouldn't have been nuked from WW3. Note that the leading theory for what the world would look like significantly after a nuclear WW3 involved Brazil becoming a world superpower. Which is exactly what happened here. Isn't that just suspicious that the way the world aligns just so happens to look like a post-WW3 world where China, America, and the EU are basically totally fucked from a large-scale nuclear exchange killing billions?
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Oooh, people have done studies of that? Can I get a link please?
 
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