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jseah said:
A 1.5 weeks to reach stage 1 without using any of those rare materials means that it's feasible for the Burning Sword Sect to just shove everyone under them through the process. Their recruit base is going to be insane...
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I'm not so sure. While it makes a great foundation it also makes things more difficult in that existing techniques and stuff have to be adapted since they assume you have all the extra stuff. Until Adam (or someone else) adapts those techniques or is able to demonstrate the benefits of the solid foundation then I could see them limiting it. Perhaps letting the low tier ones who they'd otherwise ignore go at it en-mass but restrict the higher tier ones? At least initially.
 
Valdimarian said:
They used plenty of rare materials... they just didn't consume said materials, they were just used as catalysts.
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The pipes weren't described to have used anything super rare though? Adam even said it could be made of metal.

johnworm said:
I'm not so sure. While it makes a great foundation it also makes things more difficult in that existing techniques and stuff have to be adapted since they assume you have all the extra stuff. Until Adam (or someone else) adapts those techniques or is able to demonstrate the benefits of the solid foundation then I could see them limiting it. Perhaps letting the low tier ones who they'd otherwise ignore go at it en-mass but restrict the higher tier ones? At least initially.
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That is true. Can cultivate but cannot use fancy techniques.

Yeah, they'll be like the footsoldiers of the sect.

On the other hand, if there's a ton of people doing the same cultivation technique, developments for it would be made much more quickly. Though quickly on an xianxia time scale, not Adam timescale lol.
 
jseah said:
The pipes weren't described to have used anything super rare though? Adam even said it could be made of metal.
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The pipes yes, but the circles that actually do the thing on the pipes is better / more efficient when made of precious material (granted, it could be etched into a steel pipe then filled in with gold using very little gold in the process)
 
Yeah, likely they could improve it with better materials, but even halving the time it takes only saves a few days. Why bother?

Also, it just strikes me that miss 'potential angel' just got her fateful encounter with an older genius cultivator. Hm.
 
jseah said:
On the other hand, if there's a ton of people doing the same cultivation technique, developments for it would be made much more quickly. Though quickly on an xianxia time scale, not Adam timescale lol.
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While Adam's method is the same for each of them, the body cultivation portion at least definitely makes their end-result bodies a lot more different than normal. After all, their bodies are being attuned to their personal energy sources rather than using standardized things.

Regardless, Adam is around and has already gone through an insane amount of information and it's relatively easy for him to convert and document more efficient / better techniques. Not to mention just explaining the theory in a much more understandable way. And being able to monitor the ten of them as they progress and likely stay attached to the project to help them get higher orders.

So yeah, in time I'd expect everyone to use his way. That'll take time, because if they have everyone use his method only to have him die / leave / be unable to continue then they'd all be stuck at an unusable condition and be screwed until someone develops a fix. Admittedly it's quickly going to be seen that even the low-tier people who use Adams methods are becoming much stronger than their high-tier peers who didn't participate and they do so much much quicker.

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Wasn't it also mentioned that experimentation was very limited due to the dangers around it? That'd limit their ability to convert the techniques or develop new ones for those who use Adam's method. Though with Adam around to do the 'Research' then it's not an issue.
 
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If there is one thing I love about this entire arc, is the fact that Adam, despite being a "Super speshul" Genius, shares his new methods, tries to help people, actively improves the cultivation for EVERYONE for free, and at this rate he is going to develop faster Cultivation methods for every stage as he goes through them.

Compare a Canon XianXia protagonist with the EXACT SAME powers, he would have, sold his improvements for the equivalent of Billions, picked only "Beashiful Girls" as apprentices, hated all the "Bishi Boys", cared little for anyone, and only healed the wealthy. And he would have been inevitably betrayed only to go "How dare YOU, how could this happen, I didn't hurt anyone!" and later destroy the entire sect once he became "Saint Realm Expert".

For all the XianXia I ended up reading, the protagonist ALWAYS does this, no matter how "Good, Loyal, or Decent" they are at the start, in fact I don't remember a single story were the protagonist teaches ANYONE at all, not even their children, even the Wife/Wives are forgotten and cast aside at the end, yes, even Coiling Dragon did this, and at the time he was the most "moral" protagonist of the current XianXia.
 
theaceoffire said:
As Adam moved down the line... he felt a tug.

...Really Simmy?
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How is Simmy able to give him this tug? Unless this fragment of his soul is still somehow accessible from the rest of it. But if that is the case, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the separation as defense in the first place?
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The man blinked. "What do you mean, 'potential student'!?"
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Scribbled, "her nature is the same as mine."

Hints for Quan and Jin, the kids are glowing colors related to their natures, and she glows blue like Adams scars and her nut burns blue like his eye. I don't know of any palm trees that have fire as part of their life cycles, but a pinecone needs fire to germinate properly. Not that I expect you to change it now but an "Evergreen" Pine tree feels very appropriate for the setting.

Tianshi's spirit raises an interesting question, are lower grade spirits just more picky about the quality of energy they need to function? or is it that higher grade spirits are better at purifying the energy they get in the first place? Tianshi sounds like she almost needs free floating "Binding" energy in order to cultivate properly, which is very hard to come by for normal people.

I kind of want 2 other groups of kids for the research, one group who uses the circles and the "gentle rebirth" but standard cultivation methods, and one group that uses only Adams "Essential" cultivation method. Maybe for the next round with next year's intake. I'm also somewhat surprised that Quan or a researcher haven't asked or volunteered to test the "gentle rebirth" on older cultivators, inside or outside of their own personal circle. With the benefits already shown in the kids, and (from Adam's perspective) the technique being basically complete I would think someone there would have considered it and raised the issue.

I am really enjoying this arc so far and I can't wait for the next chapter.
 
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johnworm said:
Huh, after a bit of research I guess I have to apologize. I'm not American but I'd thought that it was a [turn of phrase / common joke / ?] about incestuous relationships in Kansas but I can't find anything like that. In fact while almost half of US states allow cousin marriages, Kansas is not one of them.
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I'd thought that joke was about Kentucky....
 
Sleepyfoo said:
How is Simmy able to give him this tug? Unless this fragment of his soul is still somehow accessible from the rest of it. But if that is the case, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the separation as defense in the first place?
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This shard technique was inspired by Scion/Zion. I'm pretty sure the avatar was connected to the space whale part through dimensional shenanigans. I'd imagine a connection would be needed anyway so the avatar can return to the original at the end of the journey. Plus, how would total separation help sate Adam's need for exploration.
 
Fonteius said:
For all the XianXia I ended up reading, the protagonist ALWAYS does this, no matter how "Good, Loyal, or Decent" they are at the start, in fact I don't remember a single story were the protagonist teaches ANYONE at all, not even their children, even the Wife/Wives are forgotten and cast aside at the end, yes, even Coiling Dragon did this, and at the time he was the most "moral" protagonist of the current XianXia.
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There are a couple where the protagonist teaches some friends and very close family. But yeah giving knowledge to basically anyone who wants it is quite new. The only one I can think of that is around about this free with information is one I read about someone who starts their own sect, and even that was kinda selfish considering he was getting rewards based on how well his sect was growing/ doing.
Norr said:
Are you blocking Dropbox somehow?
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Its not for me and your image is broken for me as well.
 
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Interesting burning tree... and could see something like that happening, and would be interesting to see if thats what the seed shall grow into... and the same with the various other low grade spirits. It would be interesting to see them jump up in rank and quality... or have their spirits change and mutate to the same.
 
I'm wondering just how long that the Researchers and Elders thought this was going to take. From all appearances, it is a success. They can quit now and call things good.

I'm pretty sure that the Elders slotted in a few months for the kids to get the basics of the tech and maybe a few months to see improvements.

I'd love some minor chatting between Adam and Jin. Adam was allowed to chose the test subjects/students. I could see Jin privately asking him why those and not the others. We know his logic, but they don't yet. To hear that he picked those that the ability and chance would do the best for them as the Sect likely already had plans to develop a few of them regardless of this.

Adam picked out those that this Sect likely wouldn't care about or invest in. Oddly, they'd make ideal test subjects. He is getting a variety of people/types, and it's all good.

I can see the researchers excited about just what Adam has shown that he can do. He is adapting his stuff to each student for their best result on the fly. O.k. they might not get 10 abilities out of it, but they'll get the data for how these 10 adapted and thrived under his direction.

Folks have been iffy on the long term effects of the very solid foundation and if that's really a good thing. At the moment, they might let him have these 10 for the next few years just too see. Adam is growing in his own knowledge and ability. There may not be a big rush to convert the entire Sect to this different method of doing things.

Remember this is XianXia, time scales can be rather long. From the Elders POV, if this takes a decade or two and shows results, that's all great and wonderful. He will be accidentally teaching the Sect how to expand and make use of nonstandard and lower-tier spirits.

I'm curious about how well the folks would do without Adam there hand directing and modding every little bit for each students' best performance. These 10 might one day be thought of as faction leaders or founders of their own Sects. They could take the basics of what Adam showed them to build on, but would they get the same average performance without him around?

I'll toss my bit on the romance in as well. So what if they are 14 and 7. Nothing will be happening any time soon. I could easily see a few decade long time skips. Let's take one basic time skip and presto 24 and 17. That's more like they are finally ready to do some basic traveling. The next we see them they could be 34 and 27.

Adam isn't able to spend that much time with someone without building a massive bond of some sort.

I can't wait to see the thank you gift that he eventually gives Quan. This is the basics to prove that he can adapt and teach others his stuff. He may have just paid back whatever the Sect had invested in him. Quan has spent months helping him and shared her personal notes with him. It's only natural that once he has the data that he'll develop something interesting, useful, and awe-inspiring for her.
 
World of cultivation has the protag teaching/giving away knowledge to all his followers, even in lieu of himself learning some stuff if he isnt talented in that area. WoC is actually pretty good at avoiding a lot of the usual xianxia tropes, given its protag is a miserly untalented farmer from a small sect that doesnt care at all about stuff like face.

Edit: World of Cultivation
 
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pareus said:
World of cultivation has the protag teaching/giving away knowledge to all his followers, even in lieu of himself learning some stuff if he isnt talented in that area. WoC is actually pretty good at avoiding a lot of the usual xianxia tropes, given its protag is a miserly untalented farmer from a small sect that doesnt care at all about stuff like face.
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link to farmer?WOC
 
theaceoffire said:
Almost instantly, that discarded most higher grade flame related Martial Spirits. The Sect LOVED those types of Initiates, because their lack of talent meant that these people would fail cultivation end up mingling with Cultivators and city civilians socially instead, marry, and increase the chances of more flame related Martial Spirits showing up a few generations later. Sometimes the Sect would even help establish careers and jobs inside the city just to encourage such people to stick around!
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I've read this several times and the second sentence doesn't really parse right. especially right here: " people would fail cultivation end up mingling" I read it as "people would fail at cultivation, yet end up mingling". That is my simple edit suggestion, however I think it would work better as something like:

"Almost instantly, that discarded most middle grade (5 & 6) flame related Martial Spirits. The Sect LOVED those types of Initiates despite their lack of talent because it meant that those who fail at cultivation would end up mingling with Cultivators and city civilians socially instead, marry, and increase the chances of more flame related Martial Spirits showing up a few generations later. Sometimes the Sect would even help establish careers and jobs inside the city just to encourage such people to stick around!"

The second sentence is still a bit of a runon, but better conveys that the sect does what it can to encourage flame types to stick around and accounts for the fact that grades 5 & 6 are neither high nor guaranteed to fail. I doubt they particularly encourage lower grade spirits to stick around regardless of type.
 
A couple of questions I have regarding the chi system, meridians have been discussed but what about the 3 dantians? I know the Qi Sea has been mentioned but there should be 3 of them not one. Another point what about the 7 chakras?
 
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