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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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The Froggy Ninja said:
Hm… the real question is, can Mantra be turned into something and then turned back, so as to horribly abuse his resource perks. Mandala Arrays, size shifting weapons or an External Mantra Interface indicate yes, which has exciting implications.
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What If, Mana or another of the "storable" energies can be converted to Mantra, so basically he can power "Belief" with other sources, essentially becoming a true god through the efficiency perks.
 
I was re-reading the latest chapter and just had an interesting thought. Apeiron did mention Survey and Fleet by name in the confrontation in the bar so I'm trying to remember if Joe had called them by that name at the fight at the storage facility with Bakuda while rescuing the Undersiders. I remember him showing off the motoroid and the drones from the Omnitool but I don't remember if he called them by name. If he did so Tattletale should be able to figure out who they are...
 
Ziggrrauglurr said:
What If, Mana or another of the "storable" energies can be converted to Mantra, so basically he can power "Belief" with other sources, essentially becoming a true god through the efficiency perks.
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Nope. Mantra is explicitly unaffected by other power sources, to the point that the creator deity of an entire plannar cluster produces no more and no less than a barely sentient mousedroid.
 
That last line....made me think of one of those cliff hanger episodes of those really awesome Shows back in the early 2000's I used to watch where you where hanging on every action, every word, and then when you think something Awesome is going to happen, you get smacked in the face with a cliff hanger and you go *!$^!$^!$ No!!!...Lord...you are a literary tease!
 
LordRoustabout said:
Kaiser signaled Victor without obviously signaling Victor and the thinker turned deferentially towards Damsel and nodded. "Of course." He turned to leave, pausing to give Othala a concerned glance before glaring at Aisha.

"What?" She asked, giving her lowered sword a slight flourish.

"You threatened my wife. Held a blade to her neck. I'm not going to forget that." The way his threat and glare was met with amusement caused no shortage of confusion and concern from the cape.

"Yeah, I wouldn't count on that." She snarked back, collapsing her sword back into the wrist of her armor. Victor gave her a bitter glance before turning to his wife once more before exiting the bar. At his passing the holographic representation of his power destabilized into a scattering of unfocused mass fields that quickly dissipated.
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Can we just appreciate the irony of this gem? Telling a memory eraser that you wont forget her?

Its no wonder Aisha does not consider Victor at all. Besides its not like a 50 caliber sniper will ever penetrate armor made by Apeiron.

Also Apeiron said the thing! My two year wait is finally complete and I am so hyped for the rest of the meeting. The only people at the meeting not there for Apeiron is just Blasto and the Burrow.
 
Xavier0jim said:
Can we just appreciate the irony of this gem? Telling a memory eraser that you wont forget her?

Its no wonder Aisha does not consider Victor at all. Besides its not like a 50 caliber sniper will ever penetrate armor made by Apeiron.

Also Apeiron said the thing! My two year wait is finally complete and I am so hyped for the rest of the meeting. The only people at the meeting not there for Apeiron is just Blasto and the Burrow.
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I also liked Othala clocking the name. Also, I'm fairly certain Joe has verbally referenced the Celestial Forge at least once before.
 
So, at the risk of showing my ignorance: earlier in the story ChroMoly Baboon (or his "Honestly-I'm-A-Shard-Guv") mentioned that killing the Endbringers before a certain time would be a bad thing.

As someone who has never read Worm I ask, why dat?
 
Ostentatiousness said:
So, at the risk of showing my ignorance: earlier in the story ChroMoly Baboon (or his "Honestly-I'm-A-Shard-Guv") mentioned that killing the Endbringers before a certain time would be a bad thing.

As someone who has never read Worm I ask, why dat?
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There are at least two reasons:
One, they have a rather nasty final fuck you / self destruct (probably caused by the spatial fuckery around their core violently unrevealing) that could take out half a continent.
Two, there are 17 inactive conflict-engines that can and will become online if anyone but Eidolon takes out one of the currently active ones.

And there's also a chance that it will set Zion/Scion off.
 
Ostentatiousness said:
So, at the risk of showing my ignorance: earlier in the story ChroMoly Baboon (or his "Honestly-I'm-A-Shard-Guv") mentioned that killing the Endbringers before a certain time would be a bad thing.

As someone who has never read Worm I ask, why dat?
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There are 21endbrinfers. Killing 1 means you have to deal with 20 of them. AND New ones ,more powerful,with less restrictions and are specifically designed to counter whatever killed the last one.
And they would target specific people to preserve the cycle.
 
Cheetored20 said:
So I was just reading the most recent chapter again and realized: That blood arriving counted as a delivery shipment, it was FIAT BACKED.
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Lol. Joe has so many perks by now it's hard to remember when something like this will trigger the fiat and force probability, reason, and reality over to separate time-out corners. Tetra, a member of Joe's organization, placed the order, and the bar placed a call out for procurement, classifying them as part of the supply chain getting the material where it needed to go. And probably no-one picked up on it.

It's the same kind of schadenfreude you get when you look back on Dragon's attempts to trace Joe's 100% fiat backed secure call to Weld.
 
UncleSadBedroom said:
Spawns more endbringers that tailor themselves to defend against whatever killed the last one.
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MDK said:
There are at least two reasons:
One, they have a rather nasty final fuck you / self destruct (probably caused by the spatial fuckery around their core violently unrevealing) that could take out half a continent.
Two, there are 17 inactive conflict-engines that can and will become online if anyone but Eidolon takes out one of the currently active ones.

And there's also a chance that it will set Zion/Scion off.
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Waynebat said:
There are 21endbrinfers. Killing 1 means you have to deal with 20 of them. AND New ones ,more powerful,with less restrictions and are specifically designed to counter whatever killed the last one.
And they would target specific people to preserve the cycle.
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Thank you all for answering me. That all seems like some cheating bullshit.

Clearly Tungsten Orangutang is going to have to keep cheating harder to make up for lost time.
 
Zakara said:
Lol. Joe has so many perks by now it's hard to remember when something like this will trigger the fiat and force probability, reason, and reality over to separate time-out corners. Tetra, a member of Joe's organization, placed the order, and the bar placed a call out for procurement, classifying them as part of the supply chain getting the material where it needed to go. And probably no-one picked up on it.

It's the same kind of schadenfreude you get when you look back on Dragon's attempts to trace Joe's 100% fiat backed secure call to Weld.
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Pretty sure that was Washu Tech though.
 
TitanFrost said:
I really don't think Victor was trying to get anything. His power was attached to everyone, teammates included. It's like he's got guns for hands; everyone is worried he'll shoot them, but he can't just cut his hands off to assuage them. He also wouldn't have any reason to believe he could steal useful skills from a tinker, both because he can't copy powers and because he didn't have nearly enough time to get anything significant from anyone.
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This is a bad analogy because all powers are like gun-hands on some level; At least 4 of the non-Apeiron-Affiliated capes in the room could kill every other non-Apeiron-affiliated cape in the room with nothing but their power and a high initiative roll. Victor's power is more like being radioactive - it's undetectable by the 5 senses and affects everyone around him indiscriminately. Survey showed everyone her geiger counter, prompting everyone to get upset at the radioactive guy and his faction.
 
TitanFrost said:
I don't think Victor was stealing skills. His power just doesn't haven't an off switch, so even when he isn't skill stealing his mind tentacles are already waiting in your brain.
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I am sure the empire plays fair and does not abuse the truce to lower the skills of their opponents, especially if they should have no way of knowing that they do it.
 
Miestwin said:
And they saw.
Beasts of copper, and iron, and tin, rising out of earth, and in their hands gift of the mother, and rumbling followed them. Apeiron, Apeiron, Apeiron!
And they saw.
The flames of creation, rising into the sky as stars, warming their skin, and smelting their souls, calling his name. Aperion, Aperion, Aperion!
And they saw.
A thousand hammers, hitting a thousand steel ingots, on a thousand black anvils, forging his name. Apeiron, Apeiron, Apeiron!
And they saw.
Blood of the mother, life giving and pure, quenching and steaming, and in clouds a dozen faces of the gods long forgoten, and on their lips a song. Apeiron, Apeiron, Apeiron!
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Ok I am not fully caught up with the thread, but I just wanted to say that I was listening to music while catching up, and just as I started reading this, I hit 2:22 on the song After It All by Delta Rae.
 
Ostentatiousness said:
So, at the risk of showing my ignorance: earlier in the story ChroMoly Baboon (or his "Honestly-I'm-A-Shard-Guv") mentioned that killing the Endbringers before a certain time would be a bad thing.

As someone who has never read Worm I ask, why dat?
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So the actual answer is that firstly in canon when behemoth was killed the schedule got ramped up on the atks, the endbringers shifted tactics to more hit and run styles ziz did the one after behemoth's death and it was literally hitting an airplane and then more showed up who were different Khonsu most directly referenced that fight with his powers containing several references to the key blows against behemoth while also having forcefields between his layers so they couldn't all be blown through with a single big atk and then there's tohu/bohu who come as a pair one is a tower that turns the area around it into a death trap and the other copies the powers of 3 strong capes and uses them for the fight to buy set up time so they need to be blitzed. No other endbringers ever actually show up in canon though there are only those 6.

To be clear the 20/21 endbringer thing is an assumption because in eden's later interlude on her approach to earth she used ptv to see her ideal cycle it had superweapons (confirmed by WoG to be both smaller and a lot weaker than endbringers to the point of being called endbringerlites by him) which served as border guards preventing access across where they are placed but are weak enough to be killed even in the simulation where society is far more fractured albeit at cost. During this interlude Eden is speaking the the simulation protectorate ene and while enjoying messing with them tells them that there are 20 superweapons which people have somehow twisted into it is stated in canon there are 20 endbringers. To be clear this is an assumption and depends on several assumptions like a 1:1 conversion despite the endbringers being far larger and stronger and thus needing more resources.
 
famfrit said:
So the actual answer is that firstly in canon when behemoth was killed the schedule got ramped up on the atks, the endbringers shifted tactics to more hit and run styles ziz did the one after behemoth's death and it was literally hitting an airplane and then more showed up who were different Khonsu most directly referenced that fight with his powers containing several references to the key blows against behemoth while also having forcefields between his layers so they couldn't all be blown through with a single big atk and then there's tohu/bohu who come as a pair one is a tower that turns the area around it into a death trap and the other copies the powers of 3 strong capes and uses them for the fight to buy set up time so they need to be blitzed. No other endbringers ever actually show up in canon though there are only those 6.

To be clear the 20/21 endbringer thing is an assumption because in eden's later interlude on her approach to earth she used ptv to see her ideal cycle it had superweapons (confirmed by WoG to be both smaller and a lot weaker than endbringers to the point of being called endbringerlites by him) which served as border guards preventing access across where they are placed but are weak enough to be killed even in the simulation where society is far more fractured albeit at cost. During this interlude Eden is speaking the the simulation protectorate ene and while enjoying messing with them tells them that there are 20 superweapons which people have somehow twisted into it is stated in canon there are 20 endbringers. To be clear this is an assumption and depends on several assumptions like a 1:1 conversion despite the endbringers being far larger and stronger and thus needing more resources.
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Well, with that info one can fuess that they are less powerful because Eden was regulating their.... I guess energy input are the words, so they could last the entire cycle without waste, while AFAIK Eidolon just unconciously flip the on switch and they can do pretty much whatever they want, isn't like they have to last the whole cycle, just Eidolon's lifespan.

But that's just a Theory. A Half-sleep Theory! Thanks for *snoooooort*

Andorxor said:
Washu is a multiverse level god, i think her tech is as good as fiatbacked
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How did that one saying goes again? "Advanced enough technology may as well be magic" or something? And when Apeiron can't reproduce or comprehend you magic/tech, then it may as well be Fiat.

At least until he gets that one perk that let him understand it.
 
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