- Location
- Canada
He could build air treks and teach the world the power of hurricane road.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
- Location
- Philippines
Unlikely since lore-aside, the ME perk itself isn't that big in terms of points. LordRoustabout generally only gives that much power to 600 point perks.
However, this version of Miniaturization/Efficiency is explicitly described as not blackboxed. Combine with Dabbling Academic and Fool Proof, this means that Joe could just teach the entirety of this techbase to anyone given enough time and effort. And with the cyberspace simulator...
Tinker Aisha, anyone?
It's one thing to hear about it, but another to have actual proof in front of your eyes. Of course is a wrong assumption that will probably be made, especially when they try and find out more about Apeiron's team and nothing pops up.
Coil's plan was essentially make a big show about getting a cure... without really getting it. I mean if he actually got her cure the team would just leave and deprive him of their power.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
No. This is an unrelated line of thought.
A representation of me in a story isn't me. If you write a story about me, biographical or otherwise, I do not become fictional. My last few posts are about fictional "people."
I will not discuss my views on religion in a fanfic thread.
I need something actually related to this story to talk about, this is getting off topic…
Tybalt is the only person so far with any claim to have shared in the experiences Joe sometimes receives as fragmentary memories, and he's already a companion. I don't think we'll be seeing Garment Gloves or anyone like that getting a power boost from this; especially not Aisha and the Undersiders, disconnected from the Workshop as they are. To argue based off actually presented information though, I think we would have gotten some strong reactions from them this chapter if they'd suddenly had their limits removed.
theflyingbiscuit
"Titanic neechan"
... Apeiron is absolutely going to fix Labyrinth. It has all the signs.
1: He could.
2: It's kind.
3: It would dramatically change things and cause a mass pilgrimage to the city.
4: He has not discussed with Tattletale about it, or that he could fix her headaches. She has no idea that he could.
5: It would piss her off as what the city needs is definitely a mass migration of desperate psychologically unstable people with somewhat uncontrollable powers.
Not quite. Aisha already has a Shard and Tinker Shards pull some Breaker-esque shenanigans with materials to get them, and in some cases keep them, in exotic metastable states suitable for exotic devices and technologies. No extradimensional leverage no Tinkertech.
He'd probably be able to make some tools with the ability to grant that leverage but at that point you may as well make some tools that will know that knowledge, the knowledge of how to build Tinkertech, for a person and at that point you've got a Tinker Shard anyway.
Maybe figure out how Zeros Trump shenanigans work so that Joe can route those sort of abilities through a Parahumans Shard connection?
- Location
- Germany
Honestly, this could be quite terrifying. The Road is the first and most defining experience of Fleet. It is a place where everything is perfectly accounted for, where there is no imperfection, and where both beginning and end are utterly clear.
Fleet knows that reality will never match the road, because reality is imperfect and people rarely ever know just where exactly they are going. So a mad Fleet may try to change that. After all, the human body is a vehicle as well, and who better to pilot it to its destination than the hyper-advanced AI?
- Location
- Deep inside the sand
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
You bring up really good points. It's easy to be angry at Tats when we are reading from Joe's view and have primary his interest in hand when plot is happening.
It's one more thing I would like Tattletale and Apeiron to try doing. It's to explain to each other their morals, principles and ideas on how they should bring down Coil. Now or at the least before this it was limited to 'I have no plans at the moment. I will build up and then confront Bakuda.' This didn't work as Apeiron takes into account other factors (Aisha, anti ziz strategy) that he feels he needs to hide from Tats. Just like he said Aisha is prime gang recruit material. Especially to the Undersiders. Tattletale didn't explain her plan either so he might not have thought he might have disrupted something even with his rescue of Weld. I think Tats said that they (Undersiders) didn't plan anything else too after Apeiron said he didn't plan to do anything before Aisha Rescue Arc.
If they explain their morals, principles and wants then much can be understood between each other even if the plan suddenly changes. Just like Tats said that Apeiron goes from acceptance to driving force to hammer his conviction with his righteous anger in a moments of notice with no middle ground.
I think Tattletale approaches Apeiron from a wrong side. She approached him from what he can do. Not what he wants to do. I mean she approaches him to manipulate him. How much he can be pushed, what makes him tick and how he reacts. This has always worked for Tattletale. Just like she said in her thoughts.
Observe. Understand. Control.
If she were to approach Apeiron from another perspective then she would understand his actions and his wants much better.
What kind of person Joe is, his wants and goals. It would be best if she can be upfront with her worries, problems and wants. A interpersonal problems can only be solved if both parties knows about it.
She said he's a well intentioned idiot. Okay, he wants well. One of his goals is to have Undersider safe, at the least keep Taylor safe. Has she explained what she wants? No, she has said it's not safe for her to talk about Coil. She has acknowledged that his passenger is right when his power says she's in distress and wants out from Coil. This isn't 'planning with.'
I'm actually disagreeing with her assessment:
This is exactly what I brought up earlier with her approach being wrong. She needs to approach him as one human to another. His powers might change but his wants is the same. It's very much controlled chaos, it's just something she isn't used to look for and thus it's her antithesis of control.
I think a good metaphor would be like Tattletale sets up dominoes that she will trigger and when the time is right. However she has neither said anything where they will be, what kind it is or even that she will be doing anything. Just that it isn't safe to do something about Coil yet. She wants Apeiron tech to do it herself not his personal attention. Of course his cavalry is her last step and a good safety net. But it isn't his role in that.
Apeiron in this case is dancing across the floor. Randomly dancing everything from Hip Hop, folk dance, Irish dance and Swing dance. Him not knowing that his vibrations and sound echos disturbs Tattletale carefully crafted domino setup. Apeiron can plan his dance to take into account Tattletale's setup if he knows what form it is or what it will be disturbed from.
With her being afraid of his kindness, his technology, his means and wants desperately to have independence. Her achievements to stand from. To stand of her own on her own terms at the same time as she accepts his help to defeat Coil.
But this requires her to be upfront with him. To be upfront with her insecurities, her worries and what she's afraid of. I think that Lisa has either forgotten or dismissed who she has been before Tattletale grew. Likewise she's forgets that Apeiron has Joe's values but not necessary how Apeiron does things.
Capes have masks, both metaphorically and physical. They are acting differently between civilian and cape mode. With Joe's power it becomes even more pronounced between his cape id and civilian id. With a normal cape they just makes themself free from mundane worries. For some people it might be an escape. With Apeiron he makes also makes himself free from mundane thoughts but his thoughts, knowledge and strategies for his wants is 1000x times more chaotic than a normal persons with his constant power ups. It's both a design and a consequence for his strategy.
Just like others have already said about her trauma. She triggered from something involving confusion, missing pieces of a puzzle, or ignorance. This makes her a particularly poor teammate to Apeiron. What I'm talking about is her trauma is constantly reminding her of her ignorance, shifting patterns and about steps too late.
At least if Lisa will bring up her feelings Joe will not brush her off, like his family did to him. He has too many different ways to view the world for that. He even has Do One Thing At A Time.
Joe's feelings has soured considerably since his wake up call after the bank. So he will not open up first. I think Tats will try to take advantage of that meeting to peer into what makes Joe tick if she hasn't understood that she needs to be upfront and change her approach.
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Narsauce
The Crucible Shitlord
- Location
- Here, there and everywhere
I think we're all missing the point regarding the concept of fictional characters becoming aware of their role in a story. Ultimately, humanity has been doing exactly what you are saying is being done since the dawn of time. Take any monotheistic religion's God, the Fates from Greece or the Norns from the Norse pantheon. All of these beings control Fate, all of these beings determine what will be and what will not be. In that way, nothing has agency, as all things a predetermined, you are simply a puppet dancing on strings to the tune of an uncaring entity beyond your comprehension. But to all these cultures, that truly believed every word of their myths, that was just the way things were. The Fates wove their tapestries and the Norns scry their runes. If the Fates cut your string or the Norns runes showed your end, you would end and that was that.
Even if "you" are just words on a page, you are still you. It doesn't really matter, as you don't magically not become you once you learn you are part of a story.
The way I see it, Joe's probably just going to go on, accepting that the multiverse is even larger and weirder than he previously thought. He's not going to have some existential crisis about the nature of his existence and the concept that his world is nearly a fictional playground. At most, the only thing he may even have to come to terms with is the fact that he was in another life, potentially, Armsmaster.
Even if "you" are just words on a page, you are still you. It doesn't really matter, as you don't magically not become you once you learn you are part of a story.
The way I see it, Joe's probably just going to go on, accepting that the multiverse is even larger and weirder than he previously thought. He's not going to have some existential crisis about the nature of his existence and the concept that his world is nearly a fictional playground. At most, the only thing he may even have to come to terms with is the fact that he was in another life, potentially, Armsmaster.
You're a blob of nervy fat piloting a meat-mecha from its bone-cockpit.
Relatedly Joe has a few vehicle-specific Perks that would probably be possible to apply to bodies for this reason.
- Location
- Philippines
Remember, the entire reason why the Breaker effect exists for Tinkertech is both to blackbox it and to make it work despite how it shouldn't be any means. This is not the case for the perk. The perk explicitly mentions that not only Joe can fully explain the tech to anyone who asks, other people can maintain and mass produce the tech with some guidance. Thus, there is no reliance on any Breaker effect because unlike the intentionally crippled crap Tinkers make, Joe and those he teaches can make the tech as they were originally designed.
Well of course it'd come with the Dragon-version of that Shards Tinkertech but not being able to use those metastability shortcuts seems rather like a cap.
- Location
- Philippines
Normally it is. After all, Tinkers need materials and Word of Wildbow is that the Breaker effects are the strongest when a Tinker works with crap. It's how a Tinker can make a lasergun with a hanger, some batteries, and a broken TV despite it not making any sense.
Except materials and tools isn't exactly a problem with Joe around, now is it?
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BarbaCoPut
Voluta indomita
- Location
- Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/His
Tinkers are less violent Orks...
- Location
- Right Where I Am
And Aisha is mastering alchemy.
- Location
- Philippines
Imagine Armsmaster's reaction when he finds out that a preteen girl is better and faster at his own specialization...
Thank you, I didn't know I needed this but I love it.
- Location
- Somewhere and Nowhere in a state of super-position
the fAILSAFE AND IDIOT PROOFING JOE WHERE IS IT!? THIS IS HOW THE "DEMON CORE" GAINED ITS INFAMY - FAILDEADLY INSTEAD OF A FAILSAFE!!
I hope so.
Elle hits so many of my triggers.
- Likely abused/neglected in childhood. Elle's trigger seems linked to wanting to escape a bad environment. Given that when Elle manifests her "bad place" at the mall it includes giant brutish nude figures and entwined limbs... the implications are not pleasant.
- Negative label: treated as low-level autistic.
- Neglected by bureaucracy and asylum staff with implications of exploitation. Only begins to make progress through therapy after being "recruited" by Faultline (reoccuring Worm-theme: the villains aren't that bad).
- Long-term trauma via connection to nightmare realities and "the bad place".
- Further traumatized by attack by Uber and Leet.
- I've read too many fanfics which have made me appreciate Luna Lovegood to NOT want to help out Elle.
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At least Orks have a hierarchy + a outlet system in place.
Remember, this is Worm, where everyone has communication problems.
I think it was mentioned before, but fiat takes precedence over any natural function of the universe, so even if things would work differently in universe, the perk functions on fiat.
I'm honestly a little surprised that no one has made the Futurama joke for this yet(with blackjack, and hookers!)
I mean. Matrix seems like they would hate Bender.
Bender: "Bite my shiney metal ass!"
Matrix: "The titanium, aluminum, steel composite which compromises said posterior seems to be encrusted with hydrothermal mineralization in the form of dolomite. Your are comprised of brittle, subpar crafted materials which would not even form the lowest grade nanite which makes up my refuse. So no, I will not you factory made dumpster fire of a robot."
Lethe: "That was harsh, even for someone like me."
To be fair it's been like what? A week since Joe has healed Weld? A pretty short period of time and I wager it need to take longer for it to go down the grapevine for all the other C53's to hear about it.
It's funny since in the "cape real world" her observations would make sense. Unfortunately I don't really think Joe has thought pass the point of what his gifts really entail. Lisa thinks it's a gilded cage, Joe thinks its a good way to give away his old stuff + provide a bit of protection.
Coil is operating off 3 day old information.
2-Way Street (Visual Pun)
- Location
- Seattle, WA
Finally read the chapter where Aperion nabbed Armsmaster's Power and the Outside Context problem freebie.
Omake: 2-Way Street
__________
In the extradimensional space where Aperion has made his creations, as well as twisted, folded, mutilated, and destroyed the underpinnings of reality and the laws of physics every time a new Constellation made a connection, Aperion's potion-clone-duplicate-twin-dopplegangers-on-steroids were doing what they always did when 'Aperion Prime' wasn't around.
They were screwing off.
Since the meeting at Somer's Rock was FINALLY going down, there wasn't much to do.
Well, aside from be ready to ride to the rescue in case anything went wrong. They could take their pick of showing up in the Giant Fighting Robot, the Fighting Giant Robot, or, for a change of pace they could take the Robot that's Giant who Fights.
Got the whole spectrum of diversity covered, right there...
And then all of a sudden... Outside Context problem, and Armsmaster's Tinker power.
One duplicate flipped a coin and called, "Heads!" and let the quarter fall to the floor for utmost randomization.
Either that, or because neither of them could be arsed to catch it while it fell, in all honestly.
The coin settled to a stop. One Faux-Aperion laughed and held their right hand to their forehead, with the index finger and thumb fully extended. The other, Aperion, Part Deux swore under their breath and went down to see what luggage the latest power trip had brought along with it.
An older Halberd and suit of armor, sized to fit Aperion in the newest locker. They reported it into the system, and wandered over to start the process of re-designing everything now that it could be smaller, and more efficient....
"Wait... was that door always there?" an Aperion asked.
"Well," said the Aperion who definitely wasn't using the time-crunch ability of their computer systems which allowed them to have 'Movie Night' in under five minutes, to instead watch porn, absolutely not, totally, one thousand percent, "walk through it, see where it goes."
One turn of a doorknob later and the duplicate of Aperion, the Enigmatic Artificer, was standing in a room filled with tools and technical equipment, highly organized and perfect for using the latest Tinkering power from the Constellations.
If he didn't know better, this current instance of Aperion would say that the entire layout looked almost exactly like the workshop Armsmaster had on the Rig, just like had been detailed in last week's Lifestyle section of the local paper.
More than 'almost' exactly like...
Aperion 2: Duplicate Boogaloo peeked around the door they'd just opened and saw Armsmaster looking down at the key in his blue armored gauntlet he'd just removed from the doorknob.
Discretion being the better part of valor, the alternate Aperion jumped back into their extradimensional Workshop before Armsmaster noticed them, they hoped.
Then Colin Wallis stepped into the Workshop and paused as information from constellations entered his mind all at once.
The Aperion instance who totally wasn't feeling cock-blocked at that instant logged out of the computer to the rumbling sound of new acquisitions.
Not just the one or two which normally appeared with a new power. This felt like an earthquake.
The version of Aperion in the locker room got to experience first hand as new lockers appeared right next to the current ones.
The oldest locker there was opened by an entirely new set of Garment Gloves, which moved through the space between the new locker and the head of the Brocton Bay Protectorate and slid over the top of his blue armored gauntlets.
"Wait... cybertoniuim? nanites? And who's Contessa?" Armsmaster muttered as more and more information flowed from the Constellations into the experienced parahuman.
The Aperion-in-residence's eyes grew wide and said, understatedly, "Oh shit..."
Omake: 2-Way Street
__________
In the extradimensional space where Aperion has made his creations, as well as twisted, folded, mutilated, and destroyed the underpinnings of reality and the laws of physics every time a new Constellation made a connection, Aperion's potion-clone-duplicate-twin-dopplegangers-on-steroids were doing what they always did when 'Aperion Prime' wasn't around.
They were screwing off.
Since the meeting at Somer's Rock was FINALLY going down, there wasn't much to do.
Well, aside from be ready to ride to the rescue in case anything went wrong. They could take their pick of showing up in the Giant Fighting Robot, the Fighting Giant Robot, or, for a change of pace they could take the Robot that's Giant who Fights.
Got the whole spectrum of diversity covered, right there...
And then all of a sudden... Outside Context problem, and Armsmaster's Tinker power.
One duplicate flipped a coin and called, "Heads!" and let the quarter fall to the floor for utmost randomization.
Either that, or because neither of them could be arsed to catch it while it fell, in all honestly.
The coin settled to a stop. One Faux-Aperion laughed and held their right hand to their forehead, with the index finger and thumb fully extended. The other, Aperion, Part Deux swore under their breath and went down to see what luggage the latest power trip had brought along with it.
An older Halberd and suit of armor, sized to fit Aperion in the newest locker. They reported it into the system, and wandered over to start the process of re-designing everything now that it could be smaller, and more efficient....
"Wait... was that door always there?" an Aperion asked.
"Well," said the Aperion who definitely wasn't using the time-crunch ability of their computer systems which allowed them to have 'Movie Night' in under five minutes, to instead watch porn, absolutely not, totally, one thousand percent, "walk through it, see where it goes."
One turn of a doorknob later and the duplicate of Aperion, the Enigmatic Artificer, was standing in a room filled with tools and technical equipment, highly organized and perfect for using the latest Tinkering power from the Constellations.
If he didn't know better, this current instance of Aperion would say that the entire layout looked almost exactly like the workshop Armsmaster had on the Rig, just like had been detailed in last week's Lifestyle section of the local paper.
More than 'almost' exactly like...
Aperion 2: Duplicate Boogaloo peeked around the door they'd just opened and saw Armsmaster looking down at the key in his blue armored gauntlet he'd just removed from the doorknob.
Discretion being the better part of valor, the alternate Aperion jumped back into their extradimensional Workshop before Armsmaster noticed them, they hoped.
Then Colin Wallis stepped into the Workshop and paused as information from constellations entered his mind all at once.
The Aperion instance who totally wasn't feeling cock-blocked at that instant logged out of the computer to the rumbling sound of new acquisitions.
Not just the one or two which normally appeared with a new power. This felt like an earthquake.
The version of Aperion in the locker room got to experience first hand as new lockers appeared right next to the current ones.
The oldest locker there was opened by an entirely new set of Garment Gloves, which moved through the space between the new locker and the head of the Brocton Bay Protectorate and slid over the top of his blue armored gauntlets.
"Wait... cybertoniuim? nanites? And who's Contessa?" Armsmaster muttered as more and more information flowed from the Constellations into the experienced parahuman.
The Aperion-in-residence's eyes grew wide and said, understatedly, "Oh shit..."