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Okaaay... but why does that make being immune to precog not make sense?
What you're talking about is viewing basically the present, and the past, not the future.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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What you're talking about is viewing basically the present, and the past, not the future.
Even if it didn't normally Bud I should think that Joe would be fully capable of making it able to Bud. Especially with his Exsphere being a thing.
Also I should think that Joes other powers would feed his pseudo-Shard enough Data to Bud in a hell of a lot of different ways even before Pinging off of other Shards became a possibility.
Also also I'm pretty sure that Survey being literally designed with suitability and specialization for field-testing human augmentations in mind would make Shard Hosting way easier for her.
Somewhat relatedly I bet that Survey would appreciate taking a look at Noelles power for test-bed production purposes. Possibly also Aegis's and Crawlers. Maybe Spree as well.
Speaking of which Sprees power would probably be a good template to model a fix of Noelles power after. Instead of having it make more of other people have it just kind'a make Noelle pull a Protopet while limiting the effect via the bandwidth limitation that prevents her from making unlimited clones of any other Parahuman. Probably like the Three Blasphemies come to think of it.
I think that it's more that she can't not be all-but-enslaved to someone who'd be kind to her. If she had the capability of being uneffected by, of not reciprocating in response to a service like that, it she'd probably never think about actually using that sort of capability perhaps other then to prove to herself that she can.
More to the point of things Zion is kind of a puzzle boss. You either keep him distracted and traumatized enough by well enough coordinated forces for the Tinkers to make a big enough gun for him to blow his brains out with or he wins. There's not really any room for fear in that dynamic. Grief for those lost in the process but not fear.It's because the Passenger is basically the Worm Fandom in abridged format, and it doesn't fear Scion because no fic will ever come close to an arc focused on him, and if it does he will be solved by a sometimes literal deus ex machina.
It will freak out about Leviathan when he comes on the other hand because ostensibly that SHOULD kill this fic.
Joe is in a position of power. Every act he takes is both great and terrible. That's the nature of Ability To Effect Change.
If this were not Worm that might be enough to make her take drastic action such as asking for a situation report or giving Joe one of her own. Possibly one written in Violant Ink.
Does it have to be though? Because I bet that Joe could Digistruct it or something. Maybe put it into its own pocket dimension.
Hell he's got access to Shardspace. He could probably put it there.
They'd probably have to make themselves some new body parts since Joe has a few rather subtle cybernetics all up in himself. Particularly I rather doubt that Noelles Shard would be able to replicate Life Fibers and his replacement heart. They might have some Shard-matter leaking though to substitute some components, which might be interesting, and possibly have some interesting souls though.
That might be interesting to feed to his new Tinker ability. That and/or his Esphere.
Do try to remember that Survey is psychic. He hardly needs to use nanobots to do that. Even if he did want to help that happen it'd be better to use something like memetic programs and/or operating systems backed by the Nethbow or spiritual malware or some shit.
Speaking of nanobots though Joe needs to make something like a nanothorn tool, or possibly something inspired/co-built by Particulate, at some point so that he can make nanomachines by hand a lot easier.
You're massively over-complicating things. She's upset because Joe invalidates the whole dynamic of achievement for someone like her.
Oh god can you imagine how pissed off Aisha would be if Victor stole her hard-earned knowledge? Just as she was able to earn it at all? Without him earning it in the slightest?
...It somehow only just now occurred to me that Tetra is probably causing that Avid Glove to evolve. This is somewhat horrifying as it is only alive in the same sense that a golem would be.
She's Lotus Eater Machined? Well damn I actually kind'a feel sorry for her now.
Actually with how the Endbringers are as Mastered as they are I wonder if Joe will be reminded of his would-be Specialty. Rather hoping that he'd respond to such a reminder by stealing responsibility for them.
Honestly I half expect Survey to pump knowledge down that link for the express purposes of researching and emulating it. Possibly with knowledge of how to make racial traits just so that he can see how pathetic his gang is and that he could theoretically do so much better had he only the infrastructural knowledge needed.
They might not make peoples lives better but they seem to make people better at living bad lives. That is to say living though bad lives.
Oh right. I somehow completely forgot that Kaiser was a second generation Parahuman.
*Shrugs* Familiarity breeds contempt.
Well he does have the ability to increase the production throughput of a facility just by overseeing it so he might very well upgrade the place just by placing a order.
To be fair though that mentality is probably at least partially because of [Negotiator] and partially a reason for [Negotiator] to love Lisa. That sheer intuitive comprehension of dynamics and beliefs and social engagement as weapons. She's probably the best craftswoman and worst wielder of those things as weapons and would probably rock a Violant dress hard enough to intimidate Behemoth.
I think that it being a regret predicting Shard would be the best depiction of it.
probably a good thing that Joe has access to boosted teaching skills and a accelerated cognition cyberspace.
Noelles Shard would probably not succeed at cloning Tetra but its attempt at doing so would probably produce quite a lot of interesting effects. It'd probably be right up there with a clone of March at this point.
Ironically if he would want to do that his clones would probably be pacifists or something.
If you adopt a relative does their new relationship double up with or overwrite their old one?
Noelles body can heal fast enough that it'd probably not suffer too badly from Life Fiber exposure. If anything I'd think that it'd get streamlined from the experience. Lose a few unnecessary bits and bobs here and there.
Nah. Noelles no more of a Titan then Sveta is.
Lady's and gentlemen, the human brain in action.
And realistically for a good story, Joe has to stick with a human brain's bias, glitches, emotions, wonky programming etc, etc. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a good story.
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Not to mention that people have been waiting for this moment for months at this point - perhaps since the start of the story.
This is the fic's "R+L=J" moment. We all knew it was somewhere down the line and were just hoping the story would go on long enough for us to get to it. Now that it has happened things didn't immediately happen but we expect it to yield dividends. So the revelation alone is exciting as a result.
(I really hope I haven't jinxed this fic by comparing it to GoT
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Question. Does this mean for the purpose of this Loop Armsater's shard just got access to all that data? It is the same shard until the jump. It can be toggled on or off but until then its that power.
Also it will make everyone jump when Armsmaster "figures' out Aperions power. Its connecting to other powers and Synergizing them. The clusterfrack will be great at that revelation.
Also it will make everyone jump when Armsmaster "figures' out Aperions power. Its connecting to other powers and Synergizing them. The clusterfrack will be great at that revelation.
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Foxy Boxes
[Verified Box]
- Location
- England
All perks are treated as post-jump, iirc.
- Location
- Behind you
As it counts as the post-jump variant, Joe have no Shard, it is his own power that works because of Fiat, so Colin would have no connection to him via Shard.
Casual Survey (Fables)
So, regardless of whether or not he'll actually try, would Joe even be able to fix Noelle up considering how much her shard ate away her mind? Or is it already a lost cause?
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He had micro manipulators during the previous fight, and that's what Lisa's powers used for their deduction.
You vastly underestimate life fibers. Joe was extremely close to die to the life fibers original exposure despite the extremely strong healing from his nanites. He survived only because Garment have the perfect power to handle life fibers (telekinesis), otherwise he would have been sucked dry.
i made a casual survey
That's one hell of a smug Survey. Congrats Fables !
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Woah! What a beauty! Your work is really good.
Not only does Noelles regeneration compares favorably to that of a EVO but Joes nanite healing could easily have been far less potent then the wild flesh growth of a EVO and Noelle could easily ditch the flesh that a Life Fiber colony would have latched onto though.
Edit: plus there's the fact that Joe recovered after some Anime-style eating which seems like it'd be a lot less then the caloric output of what Noelles Shard was pumping down the line.
Also Life Fiber feeding processes encourage the development of a host organisms ability to host them so that might make Noelle draw upon their Shard even more quickly.
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I thought that the clones were mind-controlled or reprogrammed enough that they can't use logic like "I'm outclassed so I should surrender." They only have instincts to destroy, fight, hate, protect Noelle, etc. And no desire for self-preservation.
So now I'm thinking how Eidolon's evil clone's biggest attack wasn't his powers, it was his revelation of Cauldron. Joe's clone could do something similar. It's not a physical attack against Joe, but his reputation. He could reveal how Joe's workshop works. He could reveal the S-Class threats Joe has already made (two AI, Gray Goo, a biological threat worse than Nilbog). He could also imply that Joe is a pedophile since Aisha is 13 years old. It could wreck his chances of making good alliances with almost anybody.
Now that I'm on a roll, Clone Joe could reveal Dragon is mastered. That directly damages the Birdcage and coordination during Endbringer fights. He could reveal Joe's identity so his family is in danger
And all of these negative reactions from the world would put social and mental pressure on Joe. And those are two of his most limited resources.
But then again, in my mind, Joe unleashes Survey on Coil, she infiltrates Coil's base, Joe finds out about Noelle, gets a warning about Noelle from his passenger, Joe deals with Noelle remotely. Also, Survey would find out about Coil's self destruct and neutralize it. So he would only deal with Noelle in Coil's base. So Joe being cloned by Noelle wouldn't have the crowd of credible witnesses that Eidolon's clone had in canon.
And even if Clone Joe found a crowd to tell, well Joe still has his loyal workshop crew and therapist to support him mentally. So it wouldn't be the end of the world/multi-verse S-Class threat like Lisa is picturing.
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All hail the new AI waifu! Long may she cause us thirst!i made a casual survey
@LordRoustabout
I know you normally use exact wording on the perk descriptions. The perk specifies protection from Zion not Scion, but Joe says Scion. What is happening with that? Did the forge change the name for spoilers sake, or did Joe just instantly connect the two names?
Why does Joe disregard the armor size adaptation theory? Joe has had his size changed several times throughput the story between the appearance boosters, demigod physique, and rebuilt body. Every time he gets clothing it is wearable by his current form, and unless the Joe in those universes matches his rebuilt physique then Joe shouldn't have clothing fit for his current size, but the size he was when gaining the forge. This indicates to me that the clothes are obviously resizing to Joe's current form.
I know you normally use exact wording on the perk descriptions. The perk specifies protection from Zion not Scion, but Joe says Scion. What is happening with that? Did the forge change the name for spoilers sake, or did Joe just instantly connect the two names?
Why does Joe disregard the armor size adaptation theory? Joe has had his size changed several times throughput the story between the appearance boosters, demigod physique, and rebuilt body. Every time he gets clothing it is wearable by his current form, and unless the Joe in those universes matches his rebuilt physique then Joe shouldn't have clothing fit for his current size, but the size he was when gaining the forge. This indicates to me that the clothes are obviously resizing to Joe's current form.
MagicalAmbitions
the rose in your vase
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I actually missed that this might've been influenced by his anti-thinker shit, because it's a pretty accurate description of Joe's strategy up until he rolled M/E
Foxy Boxes
[Verified Box]
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- England
Unfortunately, it's not memetically beautiful; you have but captured her civilian persona!
The Simurgh can't see the present, but the Simurgh can "basically" see the present. Considering that the Simurgh is able to react to people as though they're there, she obviously is able to use some kind of trick like that to see them.
Because there are two possibilities. The first possibility is that she can see indirect effects. Then being "immune to precog" is useless since seeing the the hole in the air caused by someone 1/100 of a second ago is as good as seeing them.
The second possibility is that she can't see them. Then being "immune to precog" means she can't precog anyone, not that she just can't precog him, because of all the tiny indirect effects that he causes just by existing and making everyone move by a couple of inches.
In other words, short range postcog is like being able to see the present but with a slow reaction time.
BarbaCoPut
Voluta indomita
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Great, now you just need The Wyld and you have World of Darkness... May I suggest Tybalt/Tetra matchup?
HAHAHAHAHA! If you only knew Tats...
Paracat, paracat,
does whatever a cat can,
Uses a spear like a pro,
Fights a war like a god.
Look out, here comes the Paracat
Is he strong? Listen Tats
He's got Ares blood
Can he swing a big axe?
Right on your head.
Hey there, there goes the Paracat
In the chill of the night
At the scene of a crime
Like a streak of light
He arrives just in time
Paracat, Paracat
Felyne neighborhood,Paracat
Wealth and fame he's ignored
Action is his reward
Look out, here comes the Paracat
Look out
does whatever a cat can,
Uses a spear like a pro,
Fights a war like a god.
Look out, here comes the Paracat
Is he strong? Listen Tats
He's got Ares blood
Can he swing a big axe?
Right on your head.
Hey there, there goes the Paracat
In the chill of the night
At the scene of a crime
Like a streak of light
He arrives just in time
Paracat, Paracat
Felyne neighborhood,Paracat
Wealth and fame he's ignored
Action is his reward
Look out, here comes the Paracat
Look out
She knows Dinah has been kidnapped, but not that Dinah is the Mysterious Precog nor that she is being drugged/tortured. She assumes Dinah is simply a political hostage, which while reprehensible its not as terrible as the truth. Ironically, this time TT understimated Coil's evilness.
Lisa is really really broken, Taylor levels of broken.
She needs the Richard's Watterson SuperHug and the MLPFIM Rainbow Friednship Orbital Canon. I might need to review my pet theory of the "The Crew as the Mane6" now with Tybalt as Spike xD
There is not a single non-vial character that does not need a therapist. (Yes I used a lot of negatives, sue me).
In fact several vial capes too are in need of one. Therapists for everyone.
Thank you for such an accurate and clear explanation of our thought patterns.
Quoting the chapter: "HERE IS SCREAMING"
Khgggxx.... *supresses laughter.
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Any shard that directly observes this would break all stops. Negotiator is specially willful, she should be all over this...
I don't think that this power shares parahuman powers to companions (which is the only wat Tybalt gets powers). It would only unlock Parahuman powers from companions brought from that jump, for example, if he had received a Dragon or Skitter from that jump, they would have their powers unlocked.
This is an amazing idea, Victor would be stupid to try to steal a skill from the Plated Titi, but, since Victor can "feel" skills, he could feel Aisha's skill with Alchemy!... I wonder if the skill transfers all the required knowledge? (Alchemical, Physics, Material, Atomics, etc)
Oh god the speed of the comments, more than 8 pages of comments in half a day... xD
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MagicalAmbitions
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the Simurgh explicitly sees the past and the future and can predict where people are in the present using this information. also able to work around stuff like Eidolon's pre-cog immunity by essentially doing an extremely accurate prediction based on the past.
I want to suggest Fleet, but I have no idea what kind of circumstances would cause Fleet to inevitably go evil rogue A.I. mode. What is he going to do, forget about the road?
I'm wondering what Fleet would even do if he went evil A.I. mode. I mean, Survey went full surveillance state, Matrix went gray goo, but I can really only see Fleet as just installing himself on every vehicle ever and going "I am going to drive you to the grocery store and you are darn well going to like it."
Turn the world into The Road?