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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Vysirez said:
After being reminded by the Damsel comment I realized that it is a bit odd that of the half dozen or so capes with annihilator powers in the world, three of them are in BB. If the rest of the world knew how tough Joe had become, then it would make more sense. However if you look at Joe's public fights, he has shown evidence of being tough, but not to that level. There is no reason for most people to be hunting down power sets like that, yet somehow we ended up with three of them in BB, though I admit that one is an OC. Its not to the point of being implausible, but something to be careful about. Considering how rare that power type is, having a bunch of them show up to threaten Joe, before it's even known to be needed, stretches SOD.
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I feel this. But also, an annihilator power is the only powerset to have a confirmed serious hit on Apeiron that they know of. I probably wouldn't want to experiment either if I had to fight that.

But for the rest of the chapter, I'm hype. Somer's is going to be disaster in the best way. Apeiron is basically the city's Big Bad and the various groups are treating the meeting accordingly. The interludes are up there for why I like this fic so much. We get elements of power-wank reaction but also solid character development that we don't get from the original work.
 
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The Shallow said:
Worm certainly plays with that theory in Stilling, so yeah very likely. Then again that level of bullshit, combined with the earlier breach, might actually get Scion to act up. So yeah, kinda wish we had gotten a Kevin Norton interlude when it seemed Scion had flown to talk to him.
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From what I can tell Leet is building a supt up version of the reality control device mentioned in the Weavers Dice Tinker Doc, in the section all about Mega projects, Barrow is speficaly mentioned in the doc.


Here's the link to the doc
 
Stratagemini said:
So, just so we're clear, Damsel of Distress is going to be at the summit, right?
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Very likely.

She is a 'pressure point'. Basically E88 says "don't discount us yet, we have a tiny chance to harm you". Kaiser is likely aware that Damsel of Distress' chance to harm Apeiron is low, even buffed by Othala and with direct support, so instead of actual weapon Kaiser is likely to use Damsel as a deterrent and hope that it will slow Apeiron down somewhat.

Rogowaz said:
I remember Lord WoG, something like when Aperion will be immune to PtV, Cauldron will board panic train too. Aperion is immune and will be out of Workshop.
Kill Order may be near enough.
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By this point Apeiron's 'title' alone should have caught Cauldron's attention (But likely he caught Cauldron's attention when he healed Weld). I don't think they want to let that 'roll', so they likely tried 'Path to disabling Apeiron's Identity verification system' and even 'path to getting into Apeiron's laboratory' by now and got blanks (good luck bypassing WashuTech). They likely tried checking "path to killing Apeiron" when Joe got that power and got some insane results.

Kill order will make things more complicated and Cauldron should be aware that Kill order is unlikely to work or help. Contessa is BS, but I doubt she will be able to path any short term way to kill Apeiron, since precog-counter system is now working. By now even Sting will have troubles killing Apeiron due to emergency teleportation. Yet Contessa should still be aware how titanic an effort will need to be to bypass Apeiron's defences.
 
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Paloswag said:
Somer's is going to be disaster in the best way. Apeiron is basically the city's Big Bad and the various groups are treating the meeting accordingly. The interludes are up there for why I like this fic so much. We get elements of power-wank reaction but also solid character development that we don't get from the original work
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Not really, the city's Big Bad is the ABB but because Apeiron defeated Lung who is a gold standard for raw strength the meeting is also about him.

Remember TT pretty much said that if Joe did not attend the Somer meeting the city may become a powder-keg because everyone will worry that Apeiron will stroll out of thin air and beat the crap out of them.
 
Awesome chapter! I feel bad for Leet, and that's saying something considering how much I dislike him. The reveal of what happened to March too! So good!
 
Guys, a detail I think got lost in the morass of DATA POINTS here.

Leet traded away to an unknown party, someone who would have been able to get access to top secret government records about one of the scariest threats in the setting, all of his recorded information about various Capes, but also actual Magnum Opus data from Armsmaster's lab, among which included his combat prediction analysis software, the Endbringer Prediction program and finally his nanotechnology data.

So a Tinker could modify any of those for other purposes with the right specialty. A future threat?
 
Mourning Glory said:
From what I can tell Leet is building a supt up version of the reality control device mentioned in the Weavers Dice Tinker Doc, in the section all about Mega projects, Barrow is speficaly mentioned in the doc.


Here's the link to the doc
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According to that document, Squealer is an explicit example of a canon Mad Scientist, which I find ironic as hell.
 
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Bombastus said:
According to that document, Squealer is an explicit example of a canon Mad Scientist, which I find ironic as hell.
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Clearly that's why she's a terrible tinker, she needs more smoke columns, then she can rule brookton.

Still it shows not every mad scientist is a power house, also that not very drawback is mental effect.

Paloswag said:
I feel this. But also, an annihilator power is the only powerset to have a confirmed serious hit on Apeiron that they know of. I probably wouldn't want to experiment either if I had to fight that.



But for the rest of the chapter, I'm hype. Somer's is going to be disaster in the best way. Apeiron is basically the city's Big Bad and the various groups are treating the meeting accordingly. The interludes are up there for why I like this fic so much. We get elements of power-wank reaction but also solid character development that we don't get from the original work.
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There are actually a lot of annihilator capes, it's just that they speared around from often then not, like probably one in 60 capes are annihilator, old Wildbow wog says that the prt has a team made mostly of annihilator capes that don't have very pr friendly.
 
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andreykl said:
Very likely.

She is a 'pressure point'. Basically E88 says "don't discount us yet, we have a tiny chance to harm you". Kaiser is likely aware that Damsel of Distress' chance to harm Apeiron is low, even buffed by Othala and with direct support, so instead of actual weapon Kaiser is likely to use Damsel as a deterrent and hope that it will slow Apeiron down somewhat.


By this point Apeiron's 'tittle' alone should have caught Cauldron's attention. I don't think they want to let that 'roll', so they likely tried 'Path to disabling Apeiron's Identity verification system' and even 'path to getting into Apeiron's laboratory' by now and got blanks (good luck bypassing WashuTech).

Kill order will make things more complicated. Contessa is BS, but I doubt she will be able to path any short term way to kill Apeiron, since precog-counter system is now working. By now even Sting will have troubles killing Apeiron due to emergency teleportation.
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It's going to be wonderful when Titanium chimp just mover ratings an all or nothing attack. And his precognitive camo means that litteraly no one will expect it, even tats won't because it's not like Apeiron thinks about it often.
Paloswag said:
I feel this. But also, an annihilator power is the only powerset to have a confirmed serious hit on Apeiron that they know of. I probably wouldn't want to experiment either if I had to fight that.

But for the rest of the chapter, I'm hype. Somer's is going to be disaster in the best way. Apeiron is basically the city's Big Bad and the various groups are treating the meeting accordingly. The interludes are up there for why I like this fic so much. We get elements of power-wank reaction but also solid character development that we don't get from the original work.
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Introverted said:
Not really, the city's Big Bad is the ABB but because Apeiron defeated Lung who is a gold standard for raw strength the meeting is also about him.

Remember TT pretty much said that if Joe did not attend the Somer meeting the city may become a powder-keg because everyone will worry that Apeiron will stroll out of thin air and beat the crap out of them.
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Apeiron isn't the big bad, he's more like the big what the fuck even is he??? Half the stuff people "know" about him Is basically rampant speculation mixed with wishful thinking, and the other half is semi-true interpretations of why he does what he does. Really, the thing that actually is known about him is that he's powerful, near universally composed except when he goes berserk and naturally flashy. Those aren't good data points to have when dealing with any kind of cape, much less a tinker who upgrades his entire outfit at every showing, which have been separated by days. Apeiron isn't just mysterious and inscrutable, he seems to actively confound and mislead attempts to analyze him without even trying. People don't know what he'll do or what he CAN do, and that scares them. Ultimately, the Somer's rock meeting is basically an attempt by the current order to get Apeiron to acknowledge them and hopefully get a read on him, of course, the ABB will be discussed, but if Apeiron doesn't show up, the ABB talk will be predicted on whether or not Apeiron decides to do something or not, and that's going to leave them uneasy. Uneasy enough to try something crazy.
 
Leafy503 said:
I actually prefer more interludes to build up the story than just rushing to the summit. More interactions with Capes outside Apeiron bubble, maybe more tech expositions to fully flesh out what upgrades will be brought, and possibly more PRT and/or the Heroes anticipation.
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How is nearly a dozen chapters and hundreds of thousands of words considered rushing?
 
I realized that depending on where you are 'in the know' Apeiron's identitiy verification technology will be vastly different. Just like another poster posted the similarities between a Matryoshka doll and Apeiron. We have global mindcontrol if you (PRT) sign off a kill order, we have identity verification control so there's no mistaken identities at public level and at local criminal level we have unofficial official pinged himself to be at Somer's Rock. Especially as it happend directly after he was confirmed to come after Undersiders met him. If someone have knowledge of all of them would probably be impressed by Apeiron's sheer amount of steps taken in one move. It's endlessly amusing.
 
PinkShadowReader said:
I realized that depending on where you are 'in the know' Apeiron's identitiy verification technology will be vastly different. Just like another poster posted the similarities between a Matryoshka doll and Apeiron. We have global mindcontrol if you (PRT) sign off a kill order, we have identity verification control so there's no mistaken identities at public level and at local criminal level we have unofficial official pinged himself to be at Somer's Rock. Especially as it happend directly after he was confirmed to come after Undersiders met him. If someone have knowledge of all of them would probably be impressed by Apeiron's sheer amount of steps taken in one move. It's endlessly amusing.
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Meanwhile:
Accord: Sasuga, Apeiron-sama!
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Wait, that not Overlord? Then why it still works?!
 
Bombastus said:
According to that document, Squealer is an explicit example of a canon Mad Scientist, which I find ironic as hell.
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I disagree. I think she is a Hyperspecialist/Resource Tinker, or Crude Tinker, because she only makes armored, earthbound vehicles and they all look like Ork tech. They have, at most, upscaled conventional weapons and the only other piece of tinkertech in them is the stealth devices. By stretching her specialty she made a stealth boat in canon, but otherwise it was nothing special, not the increased power from Mad Scientist. Also, she is able to build from literal junk so Crude Tinker works.

Edit: Also, aside from drugs, both she and her tech are very stable, at least compared to what long running Mad Scientists go through.
 
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andreykl said:
Very likely.

She is a 'pressure point'. Basically E88 says "don't discount us yet, we have a tiny chance to harm you". Kaiser is likely aware that Damsel of Distress' chance to harm Apeiron is low, even buffed by Othala and with direct support, so instead of actual weapon Kaiser is likely to use Damsel as a deterrent and hope that it will slow Apeiron down somewhat.


By this point Apeiron's 'tittle' alone should have caught Cauldron's attention (But likely he caught Cauldron's attention when he healed Weld). I don't think they want to let that 'roll', so they likely tried 'Path to disabling Apeiron's Identity verification system' and even 'path to getting into Apeiron's laboratory' by now and got blanks (good luck bypassing WashuTech). They likely tried path to killing Apeiron when Joe got that power and got some insane results.

Kill order will make things more complicated and Cauldron should be aware that Kill order is unlikely to work or help. Contessa is BS, but I doubt she will be able to path any short term way to kill Apeiron, since precog-counter system is now working. By now even Sting will have troubles killing Apeiron due to emergency teleportation. Yet contessa should still be aware how titanic an effort will need to be to bypass Apeiron's defences.
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Contessa: *attacks Baboon of Chrome with a Sting inbued knife our of nowhere*

Copper Lemur: *jump aside at top speed, leaving behind a rainbow before teleporting*

Contessa: ......... *taste the air* .......Taste like skittlers......

Introverted said:
Not really, the city's Big Bad is the ABB but because Apeiron defeated Lung who is a gold standard for raw strength the meeting is also about him.

Remember TT pretty much said that if Joe did not attend the Somer meeting the city may become a powder-keg because everyone will worry that Apeiron will stroll out of thin air and beat the crap out of them.
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Believing that comes out TT's mouth will be beneficial to Jozef in some way after a while :D

Slentoru said:
Meanwhile:
Accord: Sasuga, Apeiron-sama!
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Wait, that not Overlord? Then why it still works?!
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No joke, when Joe said he made a "perfect" room last week's chapter, I totally expected Accord to bust out of a Doorman Portal to ask Apeiron-sempai to remake his house.

Gregory Crey said:
I disagree. I think she is a Hyperspecialist/Resource Tinker, or Crude Tinker, because she only makes armored, earthbound vehicles and they all look like Ork tech. They have, at most, upscaled conventional weapons and the only other piece of tinkertech in them is the stealth devices. By stretching her specialty she made a stealth boat in canon, but otherwise it was nothing special, not the increased power from Mad Scientist. Also, she is able to build from literal junk so Crude Tinker works.
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Tbf, she only have junk to work with AND is high as a kite most of the time (AFAIK). And IIRC she did make an helicopter during the S9 arc (that looked like a Escher Style VTOL). Which Jack used to kill Skidmark......
 
Mesaphrom said:
Tbf, she only have junk to work with AND is high as a kite most of the time (AFAIK). And IIRC she did make an helicopter during the S9 arc (that looked like a Escher Style VTOL). Which Jack used to kill Skidmark......
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I stand corrected. Still, Armored vehicles, crudely made with the only other special effect being the stealth tech.
 
Gregory Crey said:
I disagree. I think she is a Hyperspecialist/Resource Tinker, or Crude Tinker, because she only makes armored, earthbound vehicles and they all look like Ork tech. They have, at most, upscaled conventional weapons and the only other piece of tinkertech in them is the stealth devices. By stretching her specialty she made a stealth boat in canon, but otherwise it was nothing special, not the increased power from Mad Scientist. Also, she is able to build from literal junk so Crude Tinker works.

Edit: Also, aside from drugs, both she and her tech are very stable, at least compared to what long running Mad Scientists go through.
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Wait, do you disagree with me, or do you mean you disagree with the document itself? Because when I said "explicit," I meant that the doc literally states:
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Canon Mad Scientists include Professor Haywire (mind split across realities) and Squealer (overlarge, polluting creations that draw attention).
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Mourning Glory said:
Yeah, from what I can tell there are two types of Mad Scientist Tinkers, ones who can continue to take "new" draw backs, and ones who have a "one" drawback, like kidwin is stated to be a mastermind tinker, which is a subclass of mad scientist (confirmed by Wildbow).
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Actually, looking through the document, Armsmaster/Defiant has three methodologies (liberty/combat/magi) and Mannequin also has three (Hyperspecialist/focal/magi). Either they get creator's pet bonuses that let them break the rules of having up to two methodologies or there is some errors. I am going with the former.

Also, I would say people think Apeiron has the Runaway Science methodology (in story without ooc knowledge). I like that, as Runaway Science is my favorite methodology from what I have seen, likely because I hate how parahuman powers are so static (usually).

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Runaway Science Tinkers (Chaos x Mad Scientist) have tech that grows and continues to improve after being built. At set intervals, built gear gains random augments, but the tinker doesn't know what they are, and there is a chance that instead of an augment, the GM rolls a power flaw and applies it to an item. Through a combination of discovery, field testing and/or diagnosing using workshop structures the tinker can convert these to powerful augments and new researches.
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Oh no, it's getting worse. The idiot teenager filled, eco-terrorist, Neverland-esque cult of Lost Garden has come to the Bay and they brought Blasto as the responsible adult. The Merchants may or may not have recruited/assimilated/drugged-and-distracted Scrub, who I believe is an Annihilation Blaster. The Nazis still exist. Uber has become an idiot and Leet is the only sane man left in the ABB and he's starting to see how extensive March's manipulations really were but to prove he's still Leet he's building with Sleeper data.

Oh yeah, and March is back from fucking Shard space! I could be wrong, it's been a while since Vicky's chapter after all, but I thought that crazy bitch walked through a portal to the dimension of Shards and fused with things there, never again to darken the world with her presence? And now here are her mangled remains being run like an animatronic that she's only partially in control of, if she has any control at all.

Joe is gonna need to pull on his extra large stomping boots and start dealing with the newly announced problems. I do hope he helps Uppercrust though. Even if he didn't seem like the nicest Rogue currently in the city with actual people skills and business sense, the man builds some of the most impressive force field tech on Bet and has earned some healing and leeway.

edit: I forgot that Saint and his merry band of morons are also headed to/in Brockton. So Dragonslayers yay! *heavy sarcasm*
 
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