Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

How did he get such a high Brutus rating? Did he betray too many people or is his animagus form a dog. Real talk though Joe unlocking his Animagus form would be awesome. If his animagus form isn't a Inostrancevia maybe he could be a combo of his animagus form and a saber tooth wolf.
I'd need to check to be sure, but I think becoming an Animagus takes more time than this story has already encompassed. Maybe Joe could tinker around with it to speed it up, but I doubt he'd consider it worth his time to focus on at the moment. I guess a clone could figure it out and gift wrap the process for him.
 
Last edited:
I'd need to check to be sure, but I think becoming an Animagus takes more time than this story has already encompassed. Maybe Joe could tinker around with it to speed it up, but I doubt he'd consider it worth his time to focus on at the moment. I guess a clone could figure it out and gift wrap the process for him.
Remember Joe has Unnatural Skill: Transmutation, WOG is that the level of skill is based around what monsters could do. In PJO The Titans Curse Thorn could transform between a human form and a manticorn form.
 
Survey's problem is that's she's developed code structures that require advanced processors, the kind that can't be emulated with normal computing hardware. It's the same type of thing that lets Joe's computer work to solve a technically impossible encryption problem. You could have an optical computer the size of a planet and it still couldn't run her properly. Consider trying to transfer something emulated by the Moon Cell onto a normal PC. The PC could be impossibly advanced by PC standards and it still wouldn't be able to handle that kind of computation.

Additionally, her program is too big to transfer through in any meaningful time. They need to build a stripped down version of her code so that they won't end up tying up the entire bandwidth of the QEC for more than a month.
Since Student of Daedalus can work at range, can he upgrade the QCom's bandwidth enough to fit Survey's... generous figure? Could they set up the rituals needed to transmute Cybertronium or set up spiritronics operating on Fleet and Matrix's souls?
 
Since Student of Daedalus can work at range, can he upgrade the QCom's bandwidth enough to fit Survey's... generous figure? Could they set up the rituals needed to transmute Cybertronium or set up spiritronics operating on Fleet and Matrix's souls?

Quantum teleportation of a duplicate (one or several) Joe to a carrier (by the way, he needs to be given a name, I think) is the solution to absolutely all problems with the construction. Literally in an hour.
 
What kind of change is Joe going to get from monsterus form? Is it distinctly inhuman, can Joe change it back with his powers or any power he will get in the future?
 
I don't know if it's been covered already, as I tend to only read the story, and not the 800+ pages of comments... But I really don't like Tybalts lack of recognizable speech.

Seeing a conversation that is essentially:
Tybalt meows. (Or possibly: Tybalt meows deliberately, while casting a glance at Joe)
Joe responds "Why Yes, that is a thoughtful and insightful description of the problem at hand. Your comment allows me to take another look, and revise my original idea! Thanks Tybalt!"

Is just... frustrating. Trying to figure out what Tybalt *might* have meant, when the only context clue comes a sentence or even paragraph later bothers the heck out of me.
It's to the point where I'm actively hoping he's less involved in the story, purely so that I don't have to deal with interpreting 'missing' conversation from him.

Please consider adding descriptions of what Tybalt is trying to communicate, or even the actual sentence he's saying, possibly once Aisha can fully understand him.
 
The problem of power-> description-> new power is not lost on me. If I had a way to justify it in story I'd happily suspend rolls for the next fifty or hundred thousand words just so I could get the plot on track and let Joe actually get some use out of the powers he already has. The thing is, I feel that I have made a commitment to my readers regarding the mechanics of power gain, and it would be wrong to change it half way through.

As a reader who enjoys the slow buildup of the story, and quite enjoys the thorough descriptions of the powers you do, who definitely enjoys the way you consider them and have them implemented and is fine with more and more power unlocks.. if you feel something would work for you, do it.

Don't do it because of the impatient people is all I ask, but what you yourself feel flows best.
 
Thinking on it, Taylor's goal of getting information on Coil actually is important in a way. Even if it's potentially redundant. Got to remember that Coil does have information on Cauldron which can lead to finally figuring out what's actually happening behind the scenes and who the big bad is.
 
Titan's Blood said:
... But more importantly, you may relax yourself and 'commune' with the world and nature around you; by opening your mind to the world you can learn about it and its secrets quite quickly, along with finding what is the largest threat to the balance of nature. You are of the planet, child. It is your birthright to know these things.
 
I have to admit that if I had been drinking at the time I read about Joe referred to as "Lawful Reckless" I would have snorted it up. I fits him so very well doesn't it. :D
 
If you ask them why they chose some detail, a turn of phrase, the color pallet in a work, or the way a scene is framed, often they won't be able to tell you.
I remember hearing of one movie director who also analysed his own movies on Youtube, and in one seen people were trying to pick apart the meaning of the colour of the curtains. When he got to that scene, he admitted they were that colour because that was all that was in stock.

My proposed suggestion would be to contain the actual description of the powers (as well as interactions that do not advance the plot in any way beyond, "explaining/showing off the new power") in quotes or the like. You could either include those quoted segments in the word count towards power gains or not, but either way it'd isolate it nicely and allow people who care to read those parts, and people like me to skim past them without the problem of skipping other parts of the story.
Eurgh, please no. That'd completely interrupt the flow of reading and kill any momentum.
 
Last edited:
Through your works, your will be known... but take care that the gods do not take offense with your work.

Hmm. I wonder if with all the Equivalency the Celestial Forge fosters, if Scion would be a god equivalent. Or maybe a Titan, in the enemy of the gods and humanity sense.

If you find the right components, you might even be able to modify good stuff into truly unique weapons; some might call them Legendary. Though for some reason they always look kind of pearly.

Is this a fiat effect, that all of the unique or Legendary weapons created by Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer will "always look kind of pearly"? Or is this just a literary construct that doesn't have that effect on Apeiron the Enigmatic Artificer's tech?
 
[Insert time shenanigans here]
...and thus Joe accidentally created the first Shard...

Please remind me what's the difference between multidimensional crystalline Clarke tech and Shards. I seem to have forgotten. 🤔
Shards where designed/ iterated on by evolutionary pressures rather than intelligent design, this makes them a wonderful combination of elegant hyperoptimized mechanisms and stupid crap that has been hastily made to work, and given their complexity, that description applies recursively on their inner components. I guarantee that if Joe ever reaches the level of making shard or shard like technology, he's going to want to throw out or redesign half of what he cribs from study of shardspace.
 
Last edited:
The fortress is more of a super-ultra-carrier ship than a space station. It was described as bigger than any structure in human history, so think one of those urban mega-projects where you have a complex sprawling over several blocks, or the world's biggest dams, the Great Wall if your rolled it up. It's essentially the size of a good chunk of major city, and is still growing, helped along by Joe's ability to ignore the constraints of scaling up technology. Thanks to the Matrix's hated 'Tier Five' nanobots, it's also in a state of exponential growth, so pretty soon the question will be 'how big to do we want this to get?'. Fortunately, Shardspace has more than three spatial dimensions, so there's plenty of room to build out, so to speak.
I have only a general familiarity with Ward from summaries so how likely is creating a weapon-city in shardspace likely to preemptively trigger Gold Morning or other crazy Ward shit like Titans?
 
Yeah, because telling the author to intentionally have the story shoot itself in the foot out of spite is such a helpful and constructive idea. o_O

I didn't tell the author to do anything? I said I hoped for that since I was feeling spiteful and joking since obviously that's not going to happen now that the word count for the powers is even higher than it was before and even in the beginning that never happened.
 
"But you're going to make Tybalt's spear now?" She asked.
I nodded. "His jägerstock.
image?

forge, just nitpicking no need to change it
Finally, after a second eternity that went slightly more noticed
don't know why but this made me laugh, with all of Aperion power, he still sometimes fail

The best way to try to contain the effect would be to really, really half ass things.
forcing Aperion to either reveal his identity or get better mentally
 
I have only a general familiarity with Ward from summaries so how likely is creating a weapon-city in shardspace likely to preemptively trigger Gold Morning or other crazy Ward shit like Titans?
Well, the titans are a result of gold morning busting up shardspace, and Zion probably won't notice anything unless things get particularly gratuitous. Zion didn't do anything other than sealing the actual breach into shardspace when he originally encountered it, whether that's because he doesn't care about "contamination" by March's zombie and the motoroid because he doesn't consider them a threat or because he litteraly doesn't care if stuff starts interfering with shardspace is kinda up in the air. He might investigate if he detects the "wound" that he sealed up getting "infected" but whether that would lead to Zion going ballistic is unknown. Really, how badly Apeiron's adventures in shardspace can go depends on whether or not Zion notices or not, not on what he himself does. He'd have to be very specifically trying to break things if he himself wanted to cause broken triggers or the like.
 
I have only a general familiarity with Ward from summaries so how likely is creating a weapon-city in shardspace likely to preemptively trigger Gold Morning or other crazy Ward shit like Titans?
I'd hope that Joe included some magical stealth/defense systems before the Motoroid became a massive "look over here" landmark.

Still, Shard attention isn't likely to cause anything like Titans. Accidentally crashing a fortress ship into something you shouldn't have might though. Shardspace is pretty weird spacially, so hopefully Fleet is up to the task of piloting it.

(Though honestly, Joe causing a massive fuck up with his tech is something I've wanted to see for a while.)
 
Last edited:
Shards where designed/ iterated on by evolutionary pressures rather than intelligent design, this makes them a wonderful combination of elegant hyperoptimized mechanisms and stupid crap that has been hastily made to work, and given their complexity, that description applies recursively on their inner components. I guarantee that if Joe ever reaches the level of making shard or shard like technology, he's going to want to throw out or redesign half of what he cribs from study of shardspace.
As a former programmer...

OH GOD IMAGINE THE SHEER AMOUNT OF SPAGHETTI CODE
 
Shards where designed/ iterated on by evolutionary pressures rather than intelligent design, this makes them a wonderful combination of elegant hyperoptimized mechanisms and stupid crap that has been hastily made to work, and given their complexity, that description applies recursively on their inner components. I guarantee that if Joe ever reaches the level of making shard or shard like technology, he's going to want to throw out or redesign half of what he cribs from study of shardspace.
Never played with a self evolving AI sandbox? Any self optimising system is under evolutionary pressures. It being biological or inorganic is irrelevant. It will slowly accumulate weirdness, just like Joe's AI did before he helped them prune their codes.
As for accidentally creating Shards, you just need a viable nanoswarm isolated from the main network. With time even purely mechanical systems with incorporate biological ones because biology is cheap to build.
 
Last edited:
As a former programmer...

OH GOD IMAGINE THE SHEER AMOUNT OF SPAGHETTI CODE
Hahahaha... You poor fool, they've gone beyond the level of spaghetti code. They've reached entire hierarchies of spaghetti languages.
Never played with a self evolving AI sandbox? Any self optimising system is under evolutionary pressures. It being biological or inorganic is irrelevant. It will slowly accumulate weirdness, just like Joe's AI did before he helped them prune their codes.
As for accidentally creating Shards, you just need a viable nanoswarm isolated from the main network. With time even purely mechanical systems with incorporate biological ones because biology is cheap to build.
... When did I imply that inorganic evolving systems didn't produce whacky adaptations?
 
Back
Top