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I think she will but it will be based on her expectations, not the template decoy.
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I was more thinking about how it blocks *scanning* effects... which Negotiator most definitely is.
Plus, y'know. Rule of Funny.
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It won't be retroactively applied I think- but seeing Lisa come to terms with her power suddenly saying that Aisha is the absolutely most boring, dull, non-troublesome little sister ever when she KNOWS that isn't true will be a certain fun experience. XP
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Her power is pericog, limited clairvoyance and so that aspect where she gets info from her shard (reason behind her figuring out passwords) can be dealt with. However, the deduction part is another aspect so she's not blocked completely. Just less effective and relying now more on direct info gathering.
It'd all depend on how much scanning and what type the bracket blocks/redirects/fools. So far, it seems to be specifically made against precog related stuff so it probably won't affect Tattletale.
"Since Tattletale's power is more than just deduction, she's a pericog/short ranged clairvoyant. Would anti-clairvoyance tailsmans or magic work against her even if only slightly?":
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Will Aisha regret going home and not furthering her Education?
Is she, at this moment, more Educated than her Brother?
Will she go on the Internet & argue with 'experts' and out logic them, getting them to admit they are wrong?
We need more Aisha playing on her Internet/ Gaming watch.
Is she, at this moment, more Educated than her Brother?
Will she go on the Internet & argue with 'experts' and out logic them, getting them to admit they are wrong?
We need more Aisha playing on her Internet/ Gaming watch.
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She probably will feel some regret but understand it's necessary. She knows she'll need to get over it eventually like Joe has/had to.
Overall, definitely more educated especially if your metric is STEM related stuff. She also has much better legitimate job prospects due to her knowledge being extremely valuable and sought after (though she already is in line for a fantastic job with her soon employment at Garment's shop). Plus, she's not in crippling debt. Basically, she's doing really well in life compared to Brian atm.
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As I said before,
1.1 million words and I still try to read the weekly update before I go into work.
(That said the worst I saw was 200 million years of sword training. I mean that is three time longer ago then primates and ~100 times longer then opposable thumbs. Protag still went on about how his foes had training for sword schools going generations and blah blah blah. Again, trained ~100 times longer then opposable thumbs, have some confidence Protag.)
I doubt he would not be in a position to steal his crafting skill fast enough to matter as Joe would not be crafting for enough time for the throughput to increase. Like trying to empty a pool one shot glass at a time.
*angry funny*
Hard to have meaningful death with it canon. Besides, why would the terrorists have access to something not even Jack has from his own company?
Depends on how she can prove her credentials and if she want to tie it back to her. I mean would you really want trained by Apeiron on your official civilian resume. Might cause problems.
I would argue that she might want to take a small detour from going home to blow of some steam. She is a traditional cape with shard, I doubt there is anything in this city she needs to fear, is a teenager, and she can finally cut lose due to not worrying about certain angels. Capes have gone on to have full successful careers with less protection and being more responsible people.
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I feel like once Aisha starts school again people are going to accuse her of cheating due to her suddenly amazing grades (in chemistry at least).
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There's also math.
"Just think, Joe could give Aisha a full College degree of knowledge. Blow her school standing out of the water!":
Will Gully be at the meeting? She doesn't care about local issues, but if Apeiron might be there... That'd be her only lead.
On his anti-precog defense, how does that affect Coil? Joe will be outfitting his entire team with it. I can really see his team not reading correctly after that. Dinah's numbers would be useless against them.
I wonder what folks will think of Aisha. She's going to be talking like a university grad/PhD person rather than a 13-year-old brat. She won't even realize it. Would they think thinker, tinker, or what? They won't think 13 year old genius that has other power.
Will she come off as older, more mature, or what? Or will she try to be herself, but keep talking about all the scifi stuff and actually know how it works. That'd scream thinker to them.
On Victor, folks keep mentioning him going after Joe. His best target would actually be Aisha. He might not notice her or think she's no one of importance. So what would happen to him when he tries to steal Fleet's or Matrix's skills?
Switching thoughts, I don't think the base carrier in the shard space is really that large. Why? Because it apparently can't hold Survey. If it was remotely as large as some have stated, she'd easily fit in it.
I'm looking forward to Matrix and Fleet to develop as characters a bit more. Survey and Tetra have their entire sibling rivalry thing going on. Fleet is more the cool older bro. Matrix is the younger bro playing with blocks.
Survey, Fleet, and Matrix are all going to look stunningly amazing. Doesn't matter if Survey didn't get all the divine stuff. She will still be an 11 or 12 due to all of Joe's masterwork and style powers.
How will Garment be attending? I can see her being Joe's gloves, but I could also see her being at his side.
Joe may be overreacting on preparing for the meeting. I can see the meeting itself not being that bad. Stressful as it's politics and that's not something he can tinker his way out of. I can see everything going mostly o.k. and then when it's over, Uber and Leet crash the party.
If he wanted an excuse for an alt world arc, Leet's game grid is the best excuse ever. Leet was studying lots of alt dimensional tech/powers. I can see Leet wanting to do a Tron.
Instead, he sends everyone in the area to a world that seems like it would fit. It's up to Team Joe to get everyone back home. If the Undersiders get sent along, it would be a great way for them to pay off their debt through various jobs.
I sort of want someone else to have a reason to tour the workshop. At the moment, I'd be fine if he had to save someone and could only stuff them in there before handling the threat. So random person gets wild willy the Wonka tour of Joe's workshop before being sent home with a gift bag because why not?
I'm sort of irked that Taylor didn't prove herself trustworthy enough to get actual training. Back in the library, it sounded like Joe was going to offer life fiber training to her. It wasn't until after the Lung Fight and his merging with Tetra that became impossible. Well, no more thoughts of training Taylor have remotely been mentioned since.
Then again, it's not been long in a real number of days, and she hasn't really talked to him much. Taylor would need to have a few hours free to train with Joe. At this point, she really should make the time to train with him.
Hmm, back in the library, she didn't think Joe could tinker a solution to her bullying issue. Um, wouldn't the solution be fairly simple for him though? All he needs to do is arrange for a transfer to a different school. I know not nearly as much fun as punching someone in their face, but moving away from the issue and never seeing them again would solve so many issues.
Joe might need to get Taylor into college to avoid high school entirely. It'd be one of those he could teach her most of the info, but she'd still end up needing to go somewhere to get a degree.
Joe could just make an anti-bully item for her. Presto problem solved.
On his anti-precog defense, how does that affect Coil? Joe will be outfitting his entire team with it. I can really see his team not reading correctly after that. Dinah's numbers would be useless against them.
I wonder what folks will think of Aisha. She's going to be talking like a university grad/PhD person rather than a 13-year-old brat. She won't even realize it. Would they think thinker, tinker, or what? They won't think 13 year old genius that has other power.
Will she come off as older, more mature, or what? Or will she try to be herself, but keep talking about all the scifi stuff and actually know how it works. That'd scream thinker to them.
On Victor, folks keep mentioning him going after Joe. His best target would actually be Aisha. He might not notice her or think she's no one of importance. So what would happen to him when he tries to steal Fleet's or Matrix's skills?
Switching thoughts, I don't think the base carrier in the shard space is really that large. Why? Because it apparently can't hold Survey. If it was remotely as large as some have stated, she'd easily fit in it.
I'm looking forward to Matrix and Fleet to develop as characters a bit more. Survey and Tetra have their entire sibling rivalry thing going on. Fleet is more the cool older bro. Matrix is the younger bro playing with blocks.
Survey, Fleet, and Matrix are all going to look stunningly amazing. Doesn't matter if Survey didn't get all the divine stuff. She will still be an 11 or 12 due to all of Joe's masterwork and style powers.
How will Garment be attending? I can see her being Joe's gloves, but I could also see her being at his side.
Joe may be overreacting on preparing for the meeting. I can see the meeting itself not being that bad. Stressful as it's politics and that's not something he can tinker his way out of. I can see everything going mostly o.k. and then when it's over, Uber and Leet crash the party.
If he wanted an excuse for an alt world arc, Leet's game grid is the best excuse ever. Leet was studying lots of alt dimensional tech/powers. I can see Leet wanting to do a Tron.
Instead, he sends everyone in the area to a world that seems like it would fit. It's up to Team Joe to get everyone back home. If the Undersiders get sent along, it would be a great way for them to pay off their debt through various jobs.
I sort of want someone else to have a reason to tour the workshop. At the moment, I'd be fine if he had to save someone and could only stuff them in there before handling the threat. So random person gets wild willy the Wonka tour of Joe's workshop before being sent home with a gift bag because why not?
I'm sort of irked that Taylor didn't prove herself trustworthy enough to get actual training. Back in the library, it sounded like Joe was going to offer life fiber training to her. It wasn't until after the Lung Fight and his merging with Tetra that became impossible. Well, no more thoughts of training Taylor have remotely been mentioned since.
Then again, it's not been long in a real number of days, and she hasn't really talked to him much. Taylor would need to have a few hours free to train with Joe. At this point, she really should make the time to train with him.
Hmm, back in the library, she didn't think Joe could tinker a solution to her bullying issue. Um, wouldn't the solution be fairly simple for him though? All he needs to do is arrange for a transfer to a different school. I know not nearly as much fun as punching someone in their face, but moving away from the issue and never seeing them again would solve so many issues.
Joe might need to get Taylor into college to avoid high school entirely. It'd be one of those he could teach her most of the info, but she'd still end up needing to go somewhere to get a degree.
Joe could just make an anti-bully item for her. Presto problem solved.
Okay I know I'm going to sound like a complete Dick here, but when is something interesting going to happen? The last few chapters have been nothing but Joe hanging out in his workshop getting powers and talking about the powers. I was hoping this chapter would be Somer's Rock but it's just him getting powers and talking about them. I don't want to sound mean but for the love of god let something happen already.
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I'd say just check the chapter title out when LR posts a new chapter. If it doesn't mention something that is about, or could be about, the meeting then just don't read the chapter.
Just move on to something else so you don't get frustrated by reading something that you're not interested in.
Keep doing this until LR gets to the point where Joe actually gets to the meeting. Does that mean it will probably be a month or three in real life until the story gets that far? Probably.
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Testing into college would open an investigation into the school, which would probably reveal the sabotage of her grades and stuff.
This would make it so the PRT wouldn't be able to interfere with the results of that, despite the other investigation. If they find things and the PRT don't it would sink their reputation further.
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Gully doesn't have any connections or way of finding out about the summit. Plus, even if she's on vacation, she's still a Ward under the PRT and has to follow Piggot's orders and stance.
Well, it will keep things like how it is now, Coil unaware of Joe's threat to him and him thinking everything is still under control. The defense spoofs Dinah like it's been doing. Just that now there's no threat of Outside Context Problem being rolled flipping things (meaning Dinah getting errors and causing Coil to realize things are wrong). As for how it'll affect Coil's power, that's something Lord will not get into because the mechanics of Coil's power is confusing and a mess. So just consider his power working as per usual.
Aisha will already come off a bit more mature due to the responsibilities and expectations that are placed on her and her trying to live up to them. She's also dressed much better than before and the crew have been a good influence on her. I don't think she'll come off as talking like a grad student or someone with a PhD. Sure, she'll know the jargon and be extremely knowledgeable, but she's still a kid. Plus, her mannerism would be effected by the learning environment and the classroom environment and way of teaching she's experienced isn't like that of college. Joe's able to break things down in a manner she can understand and so in a conversation, the manner in which she discusses and conveys things will probably be more simple in a good way, casual, and natural but at the same time effective and devoid of the overly-complex/non-layman manner of discussion you'd expect of talks between grad students.
Fleet and Matrix are probably protected by a combination of the Manton limit thing and all the other magic on them. As for Aisha, her suit's magic might do something, but she might still be at risk since it's three-day old technology. Though like people mentioned, the magic scanners/sensors would pick up on Victor's power use.
It's not about the size of the carrier. It's about the quality of the hardware the carrier would have. Survey has evolved to make full use of the Workshop's latest supercomputer systems which at this point is pretty insane. So the carrier's computers which aren't made of divine enhanced, infused, enchanted, etc. cybertonium magitech are just too low-tier. Survey needs to adapt her code in a way that it can work with such poor hardware. Plus, the QEC has limited bandwidth. Also, she's adapted to work in a centralized manner. "Any remote systems that she was 'installed' into were primarily devoted to acting as a relay for her central program, with limited autonomy in the event of a communications disruption."
She'll be attending as Joe's gloves. It was mentioned at some point last chapter.
I don't think Joe was planning life fiber training. He was planning healing nanites and might have planned a way for her to increase the intensity of her workout but that doesn't mean it was life fiber training. I think Joe still does have thoughts on training Taylor. His plans for the training nanites was brought back up when he decided to dive into EVOs.
There's probably a bunch of factors involved in why she hasn't transferred: money, grades, school district lines, school records, stubbornness in not letting the Trio "win", people like Blackwell not wanting the locker incident to get out since that'd be the main reason brought up for the transfer, etc.. For one, Taylor would need to agree with the plan of transferring, be willing to talk with her dad about it. Then she'd need to convince her father and address whatever reason it was why she didn't transfer before. Mainly she needs to convince him and get the transfer done in a way that doesn't rouse suspicion. Honestly, with the locker incident and attempted homicide on the police, mayor, and PRT radar now, things might get resolved on their own.
Eh, Lisa's main reason for being all hush about Coil isn't really his power. She knows what his power is. It's more has to do with her wanting the ideal takedown of Coil along with minimizing the fallout on her and her team especially when Joe learns of Dinah.
"Looking forward to Tattletale's reaction when Joe bring someone else with him to Somer's Rock meeting like from the very beginning of the meeting she would have began to lose of the situation.":
I've noticed people saying it'd be two chapter till then at the very least since there'd be an Interlude, but the WoG on Lord wanting to go into other povs before the meet was made before the Roy preamble and Dragonslayers addendum. Of course that's barring a serious perk roll (and I mean serious like on the level of Titan's Blood).
Edit: Looks like I stand corrected. I missed his Discord post.
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I don't think there's a single chapter or interlude that didn't lay the foundation for plot progression in some way.
Okay, so...at what point does Joe go ahead and build some kind of bullshit exotic cannon and snipe the Simurgh? He's just demonstrated that he can hide the planning and construction phases from precog, even if some of it has to happen outside the Workshop, which would have been one major obstacle. A half-dozen chapters ago he might not have had exotic-enough weaponry available—after all, essentially no amount of brute force is enough for an Endbringer, you could hit with enough force to shatter the planet, and you might blow off everything but the core but it wouldn't crack the core. But he did get some decent data observing Sting a few chapters ago, and he has so many conceptual abilities, fiat-backed replication/enhancement abilities, etc. that surely he can put together a suitably impressive annihilator effect by now? Might not have quite the level of primacy that Sting does, but I don't think it needs to when he can put such an absurd amount of energy behind it—it just needs enough "fuck you" to crack Simmie's core without the planet becoming collateral damage.
On a related note, it sounds to me like the bracelet he just made for Aisha would have some pretty interesting interactions with Coil's power—if we're operating on the canonical "make two sims, predict which one he'll drop, then puppet him through the one he chose" explanation, that almost completely negates Coil's "safe timeline" approach, because he will never predict that Joe will attack in any timeline, so his choice of which one to drop will be unaffected by Joe's actions, so Joe can just...attack, and it will just work as if Coil didn't have a power at all.
And given the lengths he went to to confound all possible precognitive effects, rather than specifically the Simurgh, he really ought to be at the point where he can go to Tattletale and say, "so your boss, whose power you're worried about. It's got some basis in precognition, yeah? Well, here you go, his power is now completely fucked when dealing with you. Can we go fucking kill him already?"
On a related note, it sounds to me like the bracelet he just made for Aisha would have some pretty interesting interactions with Coil's power—if we're operating on the canonical "make two sims, predict which one he'll drop, then puppet him through the one he chose" explanation, that almost completely negates Coil's "safe timeline" approach, because he will never predict that Joe will attack in any timeline, so his choice of which one to drop will be unaffected by Joe's actions, so Joe can just...attack, and it will just work as if Coil didn't have a power at all.
And given the lengths he went to to confound all possible precognitive effects, rather than specifically the Simurgh, he really ought to be at the point where he can go to Tattletale and say, "so your boss, whose power you're worried about. It's got some basis in precognition, yeah? Well, here you go, his power is now completely fucked when dealing with you. Can we go fucking kill him already?"
AFAICT he's not planning snipe her because of a vague warning from his power in Chapter 5:
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Here's the WoG on that.
"Question, I know there is a reason, but once Joe gets the Armsmaster Perk that comes with Blank, why does it 100% work against PTV and ZIZ but not Coil? Coil's power is still precognition right?":
If only it were that simple... That situation and Lisa's manipulations is just a powder keg waiting to explode.
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Honestly having more Endbringers who are designed to counter what killed the last Endbringer show up is not a huge deal for Joe - there's a 2 month delay on the new Endbringers and by then he should have something that can deal with the new threat. The issue is he doesn't know that "2 new Endbringers that counter the tactic that killed the previous Endbringer" is specifically the problem - he just has a vague feeling of bad things to work with. And it's hard to come up with a solution to a vague disaster of unknown nature.
Also, Apeiron's arsenal has advanced enough that he can probably repel an Endbringer with minimal to no casualties anyway, so there's less pressure to kill the things.
Also, Apeiron's arsenal has advanced enough that he can probably repel an Endbringer with minimal to no casualties anyway, so there's less pressure to kill the things.
True, though, if we're giving even a minor nod to Ward canon, the Simurgh might be the exception to that rule, and given how much Joe has thought about her, I would think his passenger would have made note of that—"now her you can kill" doesn't seem that hard to encode as emotional reactions. Sure, it might still provoke MOAR ENDBRINGERS, but honestly, two months is an eternity for Joe. He could honestly go ahead and snipe Simmie, then when whoever else shows up, just insta-fry most of their mass and drive them off immediately.
...as I say that, that would likely prompt the Endbringers to entirely stop sandbagging, which would have some...unfortunate implications as far as collateral damage. Also might attract Scion's attention just from the sheer power of high-end exotic effects being thrown around. So...eh. Frustrated Simmie is almost as good as dead Simmie I guess. Coil though...
Oh geez, I did not see that and I feel dumb now. That said, goddamn is it frustrating seeing Joe with 1000x the power he needs to take Coil down, sitting on his hands because his passenger gave him a scare early on and he decided to trust Tt. That said it will be amusing to see the shitstorm that erupts when he figures out what she's been doing, and finds out how it's affected Dinah...
I did not like this last chapter. It seemed to be all about the power and amazement about the power and yeah well you can do with the power and about the power is power on power. And yes I did that voice to text with me and come out in a little strangely.
You should. The sole purpose of mine is to keep track of how many rolls have occurred across the course of the story (over 400 right now), and to track points. I don't do statistical analysis like you do.