The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
IIRC Joe COULD become a Newtype thanks to his connection, but generally yeah Alchemy is kinda unique.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
I'd expect that it'd only piss her off even more. Because in PJ-verse that'd just mean his mother cheated on her husband with Hephaestus. I doubt that'd make a goddess of marriage (or, in that matter, a woman who married to a notorious, incorrigible cheater) more pleased than child that been born out of wedlock.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
Joe's mom didn't cheat though, and nothing about the perk makes that retroactively true (as with fairy kidnapping and such). Joe is probably one of the only demigods around not to be the result of a relationship at all.I'd expect that it'd only piss her off even more. Because in PJ-verse that'd just mean his mother cheated on her husband with Hephaestus. I doubt that'd make a goddess of marriage (or, in that matter, a woman who married to a notorious, incorrigible cheater) more pleased than child that been born out of wedlock.
BarbaCoPut
Voluta indomita
- Location
- Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/His
Ah Spiritron based Shard, he could build shards that build shards, he could build his own Entity or take control of the Warrior/Thinker Gestalt.
I just hope that the story reaches the point where we see the aftermath, I want a story to actually show the characters winning, how the world is improved, not just "They won, things were good".- I hate that many fics end without payoff, you get invested in all the effort of the story, and you never see the payoff...
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
cultivation of plants and how to extract useful compounds from plants.
So you are saying the reason that anyone under the correct conditions, including Joe of course, would not become Newtypes because Gundamverse science isn't part of the wormverse yet? Well, I beg to differ. Chapter 40 Knock Down.
And take this with the WoG Cosmic said he found....
And there you have it. Gundverse science is part of Wormverse now. Which means all Earthbetians have the POTENTIAL to become Newtypes....potential that is wasted cause the Ziz won't let them into space. Naturally the potential will differ so even in the right environs and conditions not all of the, in fact perhaps a small number, will awaken, but it is there.
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Wasps are just bees with a demonic bloodline.
- Location
- Brazil
- Pronouns
- He
we kinda had the same discussion about the Vortex grenade
The forge Imitate the necessary conditions on the reality so that the vortex grenade sends thing into the warp
The forge Imitate the necessary conditions on the reality so that the vortex grenade sends thing into the warp
Joe realized that the pocket dimension hand bag will be filled with spiders, but he failed to recognize the danger of the armor plates. Those magic plates reinforce Taylor's clothes AND body. She will experiment with that power. I say with absolute certainty Taylor will abuse it in the worst way possible. Taylor's favorite move is to let her bugs pull threads of spider silk to set traps, wrap up weapons, and wrap up bad guys. As a fight progresses, Taylor loses more thread while wrapping up her opposition in indestructible threads. By the end of a battle, Khepri stands over her bound opponents only wearing black plate, bikini, bondage armor. Joe will never mentally recover from this blow to Apeiron's and Professor Hebert's daughter's reputation. How could Joe do this? That's Professor Hebert's daughter! On the flip side, I can kind of imagine Annette having magazines like that.
My omake ended up being fairly prescient. I guess it was only a matter of time.
Fighting Scion would be even worse that any cape or Endbringer fight. During the finale of Worm, Scion was never seriously fighting. He was playing with ants and still struggling with his anguish. If Scion fights Apeiron, it will probably be a repeat of his fight with the ABB receiving a Sechen range boost. Scion will be fascinated with Apeiron's powers and pull out all the stops to fight/study him. Joe would want to avoid a straight fight with Scion.
"She's really turned herself around lately. She got a good job, started dressing right, and excelled in class."
"Are we talking about Aisha?"
It's even worse when you consider their cape lives.
"I can't join the Undersiders. I'm already in Apeiron's team."
"You work for Apeiron too! When did this happen?"
"No, I'm in his team. YOU work for Apeiron. Big difference, bro."
My omake ended up being fairly prescient. I guess it was only a matter of time.
Real life has AMV, Anime Music Video. Fan videos of anime clips with music. Earth Bet has CMV, Cape Music Video.
Joe's personal hang-ups, worries about the Simurgh, vague threats his Passenger hinted at, and collateral damage. Collateral damage will always be a worry, both from destructive fights and his tech. Joe is very concerned about the impact he has on the world.
Fighting Scion would be even worse that any cape or Endbringer fight. During the finale of Worm, Scion was never seriously fighting. He was playing with ants and still struggling with his anguish. If Scion fights Apeiron, it will probably be a repeat of his fight with the ABB receiving a Sechen range boost. Scion will be fascinated with Apeiron's powers and pull out all the stops to fight/study him. Joe would want to avoid a straight fight with Scion.
That is actually a possibility now. Hopefully Joe won't let Alec fall into such a situation.
It will be weird when Aisha returns to school and realizes she is centuries ahead of the class. She will be that one kid in class that sleeps through the lecture but aces the test. Imagine Mr. Laborne talking about Aisha to Brian.
"She's really turned herself around lately. She got a good job, started dressing right, and excelled in class."
"Are we talking about Aisha?"
It's even worse when you consider their cape lives.
"I can't join the Undersiders. I'm already in Apeiron's team."
"You work for Apeiron too! When did this happen?"
"No, I'm in his team. YOU work for Apeiron. Big difference, bro."
Alec, telling it how it is.
It certainly is, Taylor.
And she can use her other bugs to ferry the bag around! I expect Taylor to stuff other supplies in there too. I always liked that Taylor carried all sorts of useful tools in her utility belt (pepper spray, change, wires, etc.).
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- Location
- St. Petersburg
Oh, I see. You have fallen in the same pitfall many others had fell.
It's not Magic vs Science. It's Magic vs Technology. What's the difference?
Science is at its core a set of principles for structured research and analysis. Magic is also a subject of science. They are not in opposition ^_^
It's not Magic vs Science. It's Magic vs Technology. What's the difference?
Science is at its core a set of principles for structured research and analysis. Magic is also a subject of science. They are not in opposition ^_^
Magic itself can be classified as a technique for achieving results without direct application of material tools and\or mediums. Thus most natural phenomena is magic (just like our ancestors classified it).
But technology is a technique for achieving results with direct physical application of material tools and\or mediums. Thus, various material replicators and force field projectors would be magic but then it's why there is an adage about how "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - because it is magic.
FMA Alchemy is magic by this definition. Even if it's based on hard science, in application it is magic.
Funny thing about Runecraft: it's technology during an inscribing process, but runes themselves are magic because they generate their effects by themselves.
Thus, a thing about magnets - they are magic by themselves.
But technology is a technique for achieving results with direct physical application of material tools and\or mediums. Thus, various material replicators and force field projectors would be magic but then it's why there is an adage about how "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - because it is magic.
FMA Alchemy is magic by this definition. Even if it's based on hard science, in application it is magic.
Funny thing about Runecraft: it's technology during an inscribing process, but runes themselves are magic because they generate their effects by themselves.
Thus, a thing about magnets - they are magic by themselves.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
No, because:
But to condense that WoG Magus helpfully posted down to something more brief and round it out beyond warp discussion:
Joe and only Joe is inherently subject to the physical/metaphysical laws of any setting he derives a perk from. This does not change the Worm setting. This effect only extends away from Joe in the case of him creating things with his perks that then also operate on such physics. Notable exceptions include things like the Warp, which half exist in a sort of pseudo-incomplete state whenever specific abilities/technologies would require its existence to operate, and weird stuff like alchemy which has its own rules for propagation beyond Joe baked into the perk.
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So does Joe have some sort of magic/aura/bulshit effect around him now that automatically makes him attractive to most peoble. I mean beauty is subjective so he should look unattractive or meh to someone right.
Ps: really looking forward to his family's reaction on seeing him. Also what would happen if a normal human woman sees Joe without his illusions and consealment.
Ps: really looking forward to his family's reaction on seeing him. Also what would happen if a normal human woman sees Joe without his illusions and consealment.
Depending on how many similarities to a Parahumans original Trigger a Second Trigger needs to have he might already be in one. Could be that feeling any emotion that he doesn't want would be enough to set him off and that all it would take to make it a proper Trigger would be someone to blame. Like Joe made it possible but so far, other then making him able to feel at all, he hasn't been the source of any major negative emotions.
Possibly some Viric "light" in optronic circuits and whatnot as well. It is the color of dreams after all.
Still though even then it would probably be less of a matter of raw computational abilities, for as much as that would definitely help, as much as information held within various Shards that would specialize that way.
Plus I bet that there'd be a bunch of other exotic particles more suited to differently specialized computational/data architecture. That'd probably be somewhat interesting. Something would probably come from defining things via negative space in Gant and Peligin just begs to be used for some interesting data storage/transfer mediums.
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At least some would probably try to kidnap him to get the secret of who prettied him up like that out of him.
Edit: unrelatedly what do people think would happen if Joe tried his remaking Perk on Miss Militias weapon projection? Because he could probably take it apart and put it back together again before it could despawn from being disassembled for parts.
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Nah see, Appolo has domain of basically everything that happens in 'civilization', while Artemis has domain of everything that happens in 'nature'. Hence my theory is when they were handing out domains out of a bag, one of the twins made a distraction while the other snatched it and ran and they split the loot later. Hence all the other Greek gods had to ether ask for something redundant or pull something out of the big bag of concepts and silly things that they didn't bother to put in the first bag.
On the other hand though I bet that they get so much shit about how a bear shitting in the woods is a act of worship toward one of them and shitting in the toilet is worship toward the other.
Is the cosmetic effect applied on everything he has done now? Joe made it sound like it applied to his body because he made it. Is the little brooch Acord has suddenly more beautiful?
Are the Runes from the Wel or Urd PJO canon? I haven't heard of them in the riordan verse
Are the Runes from the Wel or Urd PJO canon? I haven't heard of them in the riordan verse
Narsauce
The Crucible Shitlord
- Location
- Here, there and everywhere
It's from the Norse side of the Riordanverse, Magnus Chase stuff. It's where Odin ripped out his eyes to gain the knowledge of the Runes.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
It's a pretty good defense against psychological torture, now that I think about it. For as long as the Simurgh is still capable of predicting Joe, there always exists the risk that rather than try to blast Joe to bits she'll try to attack his psychological vulnerabilities. However, with the knowledge that any extended to torture session would gradually increase one of Joe's abilities towards the eventual point of matching a god, she may be less inclined to engage in such methods.
- Location
- Right Where I Am
The story having a social and psychological element to it that isn't just solved by his ability to pump out massive tech. Friendship, self-respect, etc. are all major things here.
- Location
- Christchurch, New Zealand
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I did consider this, but I was under the impression for the 1:1 upgrade to work he needs to build the thing by hand, no automation. Also, my math gave me something like 9 million centuries of person hours to build the Death Star as a straight multiplication from the time taken to build the destroyer. I cut a few zeroes off because I was sure I wasn't taking some perks into account.
Counter argument on your side though: Joe doesn't need to build it, just the next level down. That occured to me after going to bed.
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about the bag than she did
Wouldn't she, as a being made with the purpose to bring people with strange abilities to their limit, want to push someone so far they become a god?
Also, does anybody know the scope or limit in PJO Norse Runes? I would expect they would be broader than the elemental effects he already had acces to, but are we talking about being able to use concepts? Magical programing language? Or seeing the true nature of the world as Runes he can then copy and use?
Cosmic
Novel Addict
- Location
- Library Nexus
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
It's Joe that Gundam metaphysic affect, not the Wormverse. Joe has newtype potential because he has access to the perks from that jump/setting, it's as if he's a member of that world and so has the metaphysics. He has newtype potential because it's as if he's a human of that setting. Most of the metaphysics Joe gets is limited to himself. Even when it's something like a science like Fullmetal Alchemy, Joe needs to be the catalyst/source of that thing spreading such as a thinker observing Joe's Alchemy use or Joe directly teaching someone. Joe doesn't bring things over and have it effect everyone. It's different from Projection Quest. For example, before the Lung fight and the I-field blackout, the Minovsky particle wasn't really something a random scientist or parahuman in the Wormverse could just discover independent of Joe. From a meta perspective and from how the fiat and metaphysics gain/use from the Forge works, Joe must be the root of new metaphysics or science spreading.
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Narsauce
The Crucible Shitlord
- Location
- Here, there and everywhere
As far as I know, mastering PJO Norse Runes is close to, if not high-tier reality-warping magic. Joe getting access to that is level of stuff is another question and it's entirely up to Lord as to how he will go about it. But it is magic, so it still is subject to the Shard-Magic Forge equivilance.